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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 19, 2020 18:56:44 GMT
I don’t buy the line, but I think the intent of it was pretty clear.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Apr 19, 2020 18:59:31 GMT
That was beautiful. All the cameos were perfect and that last bit was the best possible send-off to Sarah Jane. {Spoiler} I was hoping for a Doctor to show up, but now I'm glad he didn't. I like to imagine that Rani is right and the Doctor and Sarah Jane are still out there, having adventures. Of course he came back for her. He's the Doctor and she's Sarah Jane. I like to imagine it was the Curator who returned for her. That's why he revisited that face, of course, not for his own sake but for hers. And the old retired Doctor spent his last years adventuring with a companion who meant so much to him...
Also, RTD definitely meant Nyssa and Tegan are a couple. They're referred to as "a couple from Australia." His word choice is deliberate. The Doctor clearly didn't bring them there, so in this version of events they seem to be living together in Australia. Yes, it doesn't mesh well with BF, but neither did Ace running A Charitable Earth until that got sorted out. We can always have a story where Nyssa comes back, confesses her love for Tegan and they end up living together in Australia. Or we can treat them as two different takes on Nyssa's post-Doctor fate.
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Post by eldersensorite on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:30 GMT
Yeah, the whole Nyssa/Tegan thing doesn't mesh well with BF but I still love it, and when has Doctor Who continuity ever been consistent, all the contradictions are part of the fun at this point.
And I love the idea that 13 was there quietly in the background but nobody clicked she was the Doctor because they were expecting a man
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Post by frisby78 on Apr 19, 2020 21:05:54 GMT
Even if you put aside BF, how the sickens did they get together. Tegan was last left in 80s London, and Nyssa potentially a million miles and years away. And to be honest there are quite a few classic companions I can see being gay or bi, Dodo, Ace, Liz but I never got anything but friendship with Tegan and Nyssa. Anyhow, just finished listening to it. I found it a bit too saccharine for my tastes.
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Post by Jeedai on Apr 19, 2020 21:27:33 GMT
Considering the references to what was planned for SJA Season Five (Sky's ultimate fate, Ace being known to the team, Luke in a relationship with Sanjay) I suspect the word 'couple' being applied to Tegan and Nyssa was something else RTD had in mind for the show if it'd gone on.
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Post by muckypup on Apr 19, 2020 21:59:52 GMT
To be honest, I wish I hadn’t listened.......dodo, Tegan & Nyssa pointless references.......RTD please make some nod to continuity, if you were doing this why not let big finish make a decent job of it.......we know they have asked........
It’s a case of careful what you wish for
Not awful, and nice that these things are happening cause of lock down but for me I would rather have left things alone......
Sorry guys.......I’m taking a mind wipe pill
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Post by subconiandreamer on Apr 19, 2020 22:44:11 GMT
Trying to say we're not meant to take it as Tegan and Nyssa being romantically involved when they're mentioned as a couple in the same line as the likes of Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly, and Mickie and Martha who we know are together that way is some real "just space gals being space pals" nonsense lmao
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Post by pazzer on Apr 19, 2020 23:19:55 GMT
Thought it went a bit over the top with all the referances. Still really enjoyed it and the ending was brilliant.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 19, 2020 23:37:21 GMT
Very nicely done, but doesn't quite fit my head canon.
And never mind Tegan and Nyssa being a couple, I was miffed Rani and Clyde weren't.
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Post by Jeedai on Apr 20, 2020 0:36:06 GMT
A thought I had that might work with how Nyssa and Tegan being at the funeral together fits the BF stories... However Nyssa came to Earth, she could have been acting as Tegan's oncologist. Or could have already cured the tumor, as Tegan is not mentioned to be sick in this story.
How hooking up together in the midst of Tegan's therapy/recovery fits into Nyssa's BF timeline and family life I won't begin to guess.
Of course she would accompany Tegan to the funeral of a mutual friend of the Doctor. Maybe even someone Tegan had an adventure with in SJA Season 6 or 7.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 20, 2020 7:21:43 GMT
Trying to say we're not meant to take it as Tegan and Nyssa being romantically involved when they're mentioned as a couple in the same line as the likes of Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly, and Mickie and Martha who we know are together that way is some real "just space gals being space pals" nonsense lmao No one's trying to say how you should take it so chill. I'm all for more LGBTQ+ representation (especially in Doctor Who), but only when it makes sense. Even without the fact that it contradicts BF, putting those two together seems fankjodrelly. Martha and Mickey were paired up out of the blue in End of Time (though, maybe he planned for them to get together in CoE, but still...), so it's not like it's RTD's first time of doing something like this. I know 80s Who wasn't into romance/shipping, but I'm pretty sure there's not even any subtext to back this up so... until someone (whether it's BF, RTD, someone else) makes it make sense, I'm not really on board with it. 🤷♂️
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 20, 2020 7:48:49 GMT
I would say that the Tegan/ Nyssa ship was just meant as a little continuity side joke and not meant to be taken THAT serious.
However, being familiar with the BF stories, I heard this and was just "WTF?". I myself was not buying it. But great for those people who got a little chuckle out of it.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 20, 2020 9:12:25 GMT
I just watched the clip.. wow. Salty discharge nearly flowed . wow.. just..
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Post by relativetime on Apr 20, 2020 9:42:32 GMT
Absolutely lovely.
I laughed at the Tegan and Nyssa bit because that’s such a Russell T. Davies move! I just know he loves stirring things up amongst fans for the fun of it - c’mon, he has to! - and this certainly seemed like one of those moments.
I’m all for it too, actually, and I was sort of surprised when I realized it. Rescuing Nyssa from E-Space is precisely the sort of thing I could see the Doctor doing - maybe this is what the Tenth Doctor did when he was on his regeneration tour of the universe? And as for Nyssa and Tegan being a couple, I’m open to it. I certainly don’t want this to be a JK Rowling situation, so I certainly hope this is something explored in some form with greater depth.
I don’t think this should overshadow how amazing the rest of this little epilogue was, though. I especially loved Katy Manning’s cameo. I mean, when Katy Manning shows up in anything that’s a major highlight, but especially here it was something absolutely lovely. It was the embodiment of a warm hug in every sense of the word.
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Apr 20, 2020 10:44:21 GMT
It was rather lovely and made me a bit emotional. I do find that as I get older I am becoming more emotional. This certainly got to me and moistened the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:08:07 GMT
You know the wonderful thing about words? Like continuity references they are so open to interpretation.
Take the word "couple". It can as many have pointed out mean two people who are together, be it married or in a romantic or sexual relationship. But it can also mean something as simple as two things put together..or two people. So perhaps the Tegan and Nyssa who engaged Clyde in conversation at the service were indeed the former air hostess and the last child of Traken, who after many years apart were reunited and formed a bond that become deeper than the friendship they had previously known. Perhaps the Tegan and Nyssa who engaged Clyde in conversation were indeed the former air hostess and current campaigner for Aboriginal rights..and her daughter. Perhaps it wasn't even the Tegan and Nyssa we know and the universe and coincidence moved side by side that day. Who knows?
"Farewell, Sarah Jane" was exactly what I thought it would be - a fine tribute and a love letter combined. Like Iain I've found that the older I've become the more emotional I get (parenthood also accelerated that process somewhat), and I might have got a bit choked up while watching some of the performances (Mina's certainly did me in). Of course I could also say that was down to the half ton of onions I chopped while watching the video, so I'll leave the decision of which statement is true down to your own interpretation. Ultimately we've been left with a far more fitting farewell for the character - the thought that Sarah Jane might be travelling the stars once again in the company of the Doctor. Maybe one wearing a familiar face, maybe one we've yet to see. Adventures left to our own imagination..
..as it should be.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 20, 2020 16:59:58 GMT
Actually, RTD may have made a mistake with this Tegan/Nyssa thing. Tegan, we know, was an adult with a career (air stewardess) but I'm sure I've seen it suggested that for all their close friendship (because it was either each other or Adric to hang about with) Nyssa was quite a bit younger.
(As for Dodo.... according to 'The Dying Days' deliberate errors were introduced to James Stevens's manuscript to discredit it, and there is other evidence that Dodo didn't get murdered or die of an STD or what have you. Not sure why she or any of the others would have gone to Sarah's funeral, but there we are).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2020 19:54:14 GMT
Actually, RTD may have made a mistake with this Tegan/Nyssa thing. Tegan, we know, was an adult with a career (air stewardess) but I'm sure I've seen it suggested that for all their close friendship (because it was either each other or Adric to hang about with) Nyssa was quite a bit younger. (As for Dodo.... according to 'The Dying Days' deliberate errors were introduced to James Stevens's manuscript to discredit it, and there is other evidence that Dodo didn't get murdered or die of an STD or what have you. Not sure why she or any of the others would have gone to Sarah's funeral, but there we are). There’s actually a brief encounter short story where Dodo meets Sarah Jane. In fact quite a lot of the companions mentioned meet Sarah in various short stories so it does make a degree of sense. Especially when you realise that most of the companions attending her funeral are the ones that she name-checked in Death of the Doctor, so presumably she was in-touch with them. Also Tegan was only 21 when she joined in Logopolis, so there’s really not a huge age gap. Especially when Nyssa was originally intended to be 18 (though that’s never mentioned in the show) and she celebrates a birthday shortly after Time-Flight, then travels with the Doctor for years before Tegan returns so if anything Nyssa is probably older than Tegan. Especially considering she’s about 70 but looks 50 by the end of her return arc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 1:33:52 GMT
Actually, RTD may have made a mistake with this Tegan/Nyssa thing. Tegan, we know, was an adult with a career (air stewardess) but I'm sure I've seen it suggested that for all their close friendship (because it was either each other or Adric to hang about with) Nyssa was quite a bit younger. (As for Dodo.... according to 'The Dying Days' deliberate errors were introduced to James Stevens's manuscript to discredit it, and there is other evidence that Dodo didn't get murdered or die of an STD or what have you. Not sure why she or any of the others would have gone to Sarah's funeral, but there we are). There’s actually a brief encounter short story where Dodo meets Sarah Jane. In fact quite a lot of the companions mentioned meet Sarah in various short stories so it does make a degree of sense. Especially when you realise that most of the companions attending her funeral are the ones that she name-checked in Death of the Doctor, so presumably she was in-touch with them.
Also Tegan was only 21 when she joined in Logopolis, so there’s really not a huge age gap. Especially when Nyssa was originally intended to be 18 (though that’s never mentioned in the show) and she celebrates a birthday shortly after Time-Flight, then travels with the Doctor for years before Tegan returns so if anything Nyssa is probably older than Tegan. Especially considering she’s about 70 but looks 50 by the end of her return arc. The confusion may lie in the fact that there are two versions of Who Killed Kennedy floating about. One is the original, published in 1996. The other is a 20th Anniversary Edition, which features a whole new ending and a surprising cameo from an unexpected character. In the vein of the white-haired gentleman who visits Victoria Waterfield at the end of the novel, Downtime. *taps nose*
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 21, 2020 7:11:49 GMT
So I made the mistake last night after listening to this story (what was with the mist in the room that made my eyes sweat?).. of reading in the youtube comments sections some peoples fanfic of what happened after, i.e. the Doctor visiting her grave etc..
O M G
I had to call a timeout. I couldn't read on.
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