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Post by dannybl on Apr 24, 2020 16:57:19 GMT
I confess this could come across as a non-question as I haven't thought it all through yet (!), but could retellings of TV Doctor Who stories be dome on audio? For example from a certain character's point of view?
We've had River Song revisiting the setting of certain stories, could we have Unbound versions of certain stories, or details changed or expanded on?
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Post by Digi on Apr 24, 2020 17:04:48 GMT
Maybe it might be an interesting experiment to have the First Doctor Adventures range retell/recreate some of the Hartnell lost episodes? I don't know how or even if that would work, but it's the first thing that came to mind.
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Post by cwm on Apr 24, 2020 17:14:21 GMT
The failure of the novel adaptations and comic strip adaptations suggests that there'd have to be more to them than straight retellings. Certainly I find it hard to see there being a market for David Bradley and co. remaking the missing episodes, especially now the soundtracks are available on CD again.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 24, 2020 17:15:34 GMT
There was the re-imagining that was considered for the Paul McGann American Doctor Who reboot. A route that wasn’t taken and I confess I wouldn’t want to hear that.
If they were to retell past adventures I would rather they pick from the lower end than the upper echelon of stories.
Silver Nemesis springs to mind. I so think there is a great story in that. If they could somehow craft it as a lost story, like the Return of the Cybermen for the Fourth Doctor. It was meant to be the 25th anniversary story, so I would assume they had bigger plans for it.
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Post by Digi on Apr 24, 2020 17:18:20 GMT
The failure of the novel adaptations and comic strip adaptations suggests that there'd have to be more to them than straight retellings. Certainly I find it hard to see there being a market for David Bradley and co. remaking the missing episodes, especially now the soundtracks are available on CD again. Perhaps a Prisoner-esque approach? In each release, one retelling, one or two original stories? I don't know, I like the range as-is so I'm not sure how I'd feel about that kind of a change. Just thinking aloud.
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Post by dannybl on Apr 24, 2020 17:46:10 GMT
All the missing episodes arw available from BBC Audio though, so they would have to be reimagined somewhat
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 24, 2020 20:02:37 GMT
Hello again.
An interesting idea, but with the soundtracks available which are very good I'm not sure there would be much point. The reimagining of lost stories however, that has given us some classics. The First Sontarans, Children of Seth, Leviathan, Point of Entry (brr...creepy),Thin Ice (I loved it, but I know I'm in a minority!), the beautiful First Doctor set, and Lords of the Red Planet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 22:35:17 GMT
The failure of the novel adaptations and comic strip adaptations suggests that there'd have to be more to them than straight retellings. Certainly I find it hard to see there being a market for David Bradley and co. remaking the missing episodes, especially now the soundtracks are available on CD again. Perhaps a Prisoner-esque approach? In each release, one retelling, one or two original stories? I don't know, I like the range as-is so I'm not sure how I'd feel about that kind of a change. Just thinking aloud. I think that has merit as an idea. The "A, B, and C" story could make a pretty sound point of inspiration. The Doctor's placed under a mind probe and questioned about old adventures. Some we recognise, some we don't. Only he's deliberately getting the details wrong across all of them order to protect the people his interrogators are after. It could be that the four are being tried for something that would be innocuous anywhere else, but deadly in this society. Another way could be to pull an I, Jedi and refocus the story on a guest character. Retell the events of a story (in that instance, the Jedi Academy trilogy, I think) as they relate to the greater events of their own life. Dovetailing in and out with the old and new. How they were before the Doctor arrived, the rewoven tale, and how they were changed following. Silver Nemesis, for instance, could be done by a descendant of Richard Maynarde, Lady Peinforte's servant, researching their ancestor through and after the English Civil War.
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Post by lemmingsunday1 on Apr 25, 2020 2:08:00 GMT
What a fascinating idea. I have no idea. I'd like to see this done at least once. I'd have Tom Baker consider which story from his time he enjoyed in theory but not in execution. Try and redo that story. It isn't so different then an actor/director returning to a play and envisioning a different/better(?) way to tell the story anew.
CWM spoke of the failure of the comic and book adaptions. Why is this? Price? I purchased all the related Fourth Doctor adaptions. Having read the Fourth Doctor comics in the pass I didn't see enough substance for adaption and thought those stories rather thin. The acting was grand but the stories...
The Well Mannered War has one of the finest endings in Who history. That story was my favorite read from Gareth Roberts' three. Yet, the English Way of Death was my favorite in audio.
Perhaps a chance at book adaptions ought to be considered again if Sadie Miller could play her mothers part. Are there any quality stories with Sarah Jane Smith waiting?
Didn't mean to hijack this thread. Curiosity.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Apr 25, 2020 8:46:56 GMT
Seems pointless to me. I'd rather more original content. The Prisoner stuff was awful. Can't see it working better for Dr. Who.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 25, 2020 10:10:10 GMT
What a fascinating idea. I have no idea. I'd like to see this done at least once. I'd have Tom Baker consider which story from his time he enjoyed in theory but not in execution. Try and redo that story. It isn't so different then an actor/director returning to a play and envisioning a different/better(?) way to tell the story anew. CWM spoke of the failure of the comic and book adaptions. Why is this? Price? I purchased all the related Fourth Doctor adaptions. Having read the Fourth Doctor comics in the pass I didn't see enough substance for adaption and thought those stories rather thin. The acting was grand but the stories... The Well Mannered War has one of the finest endings in Who history. That story was my favorite read from Gareth Roberts' three. Yet, the English Way of Death was my favorite in audio. Perhaps a chance at book adaptions ought to be considered again if Sadie Miller could play her mothers part. Are there any quality stories with Sarah Jane Smith waiting? Didn't mean to hijack this thread. Curiosity. Just to hijack further... The stated failure of the Fourth Doctor novel adaptations continues to be baffling to me. I haven’t read many Doctor Who books, but I really enjoyed Jonathan Morris’ Festival of Death and would be delighted to listen to an audio adaption. I wasn’t so keen on The Drosten’s Curse by A L Kennedy, but again I would be keen to listen to an audio adaption. So why these existing adaptions aren’t more popular is beyond me. Unfortunately I haven’t read any Sarah Jane Smith novels with the Doctor. However Timelash.com has synopsis, ratings and reviews of the past Doctor novels, which I have found useful to acquire information.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:42:20 GMT
That's a very interesting question. Maybe take a similar approach to the novelisations of Shada, The Pirate Planet, City of Death etc. where they use early draft scripts and outlines (with new material)?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 13:26:12 GMT
What a fascinating idea. I have no idea. I'd like to see this done at least once. I'd have Tom Baker consider which story from his time he enjoyed in theory but not in execution. Try and redo that story. It isn't so different then an actor/director returning to a play and envisioning a different/better(?) way to tell the story anew. CWM spoke of the failure of the comic and book adaptions. Why is this? Price? I purchased all the related Fourth Doctor adaptions. Having read the Fourth Doctor comics in the pass I didn't see enough substance for adaption and thought those stories rather thin. The acting was grand but the stories... The Well Mannered War has one of the finest endings in Who history. That story was my favorite read from Gareth Roberts' three. Yet, the English Way of Death was my favorite in audio. Perhaps a chance at book adaptions ought to be considered again if Sadie Miller could play her mothers part. Are there any quality stories with Sarah Jane Smith waiting? Didn't mean to hijack this thread. Curiosity. Just to hijack further... The stated failure of the Fourth Doctor novel adaptations continues to be baffling to me. I haven’t read many Doctor Who books, but I really enjoyed Jonathan Morris’ Festival of Death and would be delighted to listen to an audio adaption. I wasn’t so keen on The Drosten’s Curse by A L Kennedy, but again I would be keen to listen to an audio adaption. So why these existing adaptions aren’t more popular is beyond me. Unfortunately I haven’t read any Sarah Jane Smith novels with the Doctor. However Timelash.com has synopsis, ratings and reviews of the past Doctor novels, which I have found useful to acquire information. Continuing with a hijack this hijacked hijack: I've a soft spot for System Shock with the Fourth Doctor, Sarah and an older Harry set in 1998. At the time, it was a cutting-edge technothriller dealing with state-of-the-art technology. Nowadays, it has this great pseudo-historical feel to it, throwing the trio into a private war between MI5 and burgeoning internet company, I 2. It would've been difficult to do during the original Novel Adaptations run, but now? With 90s nostalgia set to hit this decade? Well... Amorality Tale is another one, pitting Sarah and the Third Doctor against some truly brutal London gangsters in the early 50s. She gets to show her mettle more often than not there (and use her journalistic skills).
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 27, 2020 12:53:28 GMT
Hello again.
System Shock, yes please. Millennial Rites, a book not many others liked but I enjoyed its use of the Valeyard. The strange three kingdoms are interesting. It's a great Mel story and so of its time, twenty or so years later it would be fun.
Also, Lungbarrow (I know but hear me out) as a four part Unbound 7th Doctor story adapted by Marc Platt. The Infinity Doctors would be interesting too.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 27, 2020 19:18:58 GMT
What would be the point of remaking a story?
The only thing that springs to mind is that Fraser Hines has said he thought of asking to stay on during the filming of "The Two Doctors". So, we might ask a 'what if' question about remaking later sixt Doctor stories and seeing how they would have developed differently with Jamie also present. But even then, I think there;s only one story that might benefit from that, which is the one with the high stakes danger and the other violent warrior - "Mindwarp".
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Post by relativetime on Apr 27, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Unless there’s something very different that could be brought to a retelling of a story, I don’t really see a point. The stories that are currently missing already exist in audio format and they’re perfectly understandable too, so I don’t see what remaking them again as audio dramas would really accomplish, nor how it’s supposed to sell to a wide audience.
That all being said, the idea of retelling stories from a different perspective is certainly valid. I think the River Song boxsets have kind of explores that with her getting caught up in some of the classic stories but a part of the story we never saw on television. It’s such a gold mine of material that I’d definitely like to see explored again in the range, maybe even expanded to other ranges. I could imagine there’s been quite a few times when Missy was lurking on the sidelines of one of the TV episodes, for instance.
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Post by timegirl on Apr 27, 2020 23:06:16 GMT
Unless there’s something very different that could be brought to a retelling of a story, I don’t really see a point. The stories that are currently missing already exist in audio format and they’re perfectly understandable too, so I don’t see what remaking them again as audio dramas would really accomplish, nor how it’s supposed to sell to a wide audience. That all being said, the idea of retelling stories from a different perspective is certainly valid. I think the River Song boxsets have kind of explores that with her getting caught up in some of the classic stories but a part of the story we never saw on television. It’s such a gold mine of material that I’d definitely like to see explored again in the range, maybe even expanded to other ranges. I could imagine there’s been quite a few times when Missy was lurking on the sidelines of one of the TV episodes, for instance. Any particular instances you think Missy interfered with?🤔😈
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Post by agentten on Apr 27, 2020 23:21:27 GMT
I think a retelling of a lost story could potentially be interesting. Going more in depth with it, providing a richer tapestry, would be the way to do it. Perhaps even adding some new elements to the story that shake things up or re-frame how we view the story. For example, a retelling of The Daleks' Masterplan with David Bradley and company would be of interest to me if it explored the story in new and interesting ways and perhaps even introduced something fun like having River Song or Captain Jack in the story working behind the scenes to help The Doctor along. That could add a fun spin to it and make it feel fresh. A story like The Daleks' Masterplan is pretty epic and I can imagine a lot of territory that could be expanded on. It all depends on what the take on the material is, of course, but generally speaking, I don't see anything wrong with remaking a story so long as the remake has a good reason to exist.
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Post by newt5996 on Apr 27, 2020 23:36:34 GMT
Hello again. System Shock, yes please. Millennial Rites, a book not many others liked but I enjoyed its use of the Valeyard. The strange three kingdoms are interesting. It's a great Mel story and so of its time, twenty or so years later it would be fun. Also, Lungbarrow (I know but hear me out) as a four part Unbound 7th Doctor story adapted by Marc Platt. The Infinity Doctors would be interesting too. Eh I think Lungbarrow needs six parts for it to work well. At it's core it's a murder mystery (and utterly brilliant) and the loom/ancient Gallifrey stuff is all set dressings. And it doesn't need to be Unbound, Looms are already canon because Cold Fusion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 4:34:10 GMT
Hello again. System Shock, yes please. Millennial Rites, a book not many others liked but I enjoyed its use of the Valeyard. The strange three kingdoms are interesting. It's a great Mel story and so of its time, twenty or so years later it would be fun. Also, Lungbarrow (I know but hear me out) as a four part Unbound 7th Doctor story adapted by Marc Platt. The Infinity Doctors would be interesting too. Eh I think Lungbarrow needs six parts for it to work well. At it's core it's a murder mystery (and utterly brilliant) and the loom/ancient Gallifrey stuff is all set dressings. And it doesn't need to be Unbound, Looms are already canon because Cold Fusion. That's one of the real joys of Lungbarrow: there's all this worldbuilding with Houses, drudges, looms and flutterwings that ensconce what's ironically a very human (don't tell the Time Lords) story about family. "I know what's best for you, better than you ever will," and the Doctor quite rightly rejecting that.
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