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Post by project37 on Apr 27, 2020 13:59:36 GMT
Overall this is a great idea and one that I think would work very well between Books and Audio. But I think the BBC run the risk of ostracising a large portion of the fan base who simply don’t have the time or the disposable income to take part in everything or for some people, any of it. Which is a shame when it seems to be marketed as a big, must see/hear/read event. Particularly to younger fans which the show is targeted towards anyway. I feel the money could have been better invested in expanding the show on television like a new CBBC spin off or something like that, that is accessible to everyone and expands the show for everyone. And then on top of that you can start releasing audios & novels etc which people can see if they want to but are not essential. and crossovers with the television show of course could then happen to make it feel like part of an event. Just my thoughts but I’m certainly intrigued and look forward to hearing more details. It's a great way for the licensees to support each other with linked cross-promotion. Obviously we're all BF fans, but maybe someone here will be tempted to check out the comics. It's a marketing approach to encourage a Titan Comics reader to check out an audio or someone that reads DWM to purchase a novel, and anyone that's able to do so to go check out a themed escape room. They know full well that everyone can't afford to do all of it, so you can always stick to your preferred medium and get a full entertainment experience.
Star Wars is doing the same thing with The High Republic (novels for kids and adults as well as comics):
EDIT: It's also important with these things to keep accessibility in mind. You don't want to deprive a blind fan who can enjoy an audio book but not a comic or a deaf fan that loves the books but can't engage with an audio release. These different strands will have easy links and play off of each other, rather than be required.
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Post by denyer97 on Apr 27, 2020 14:11:51 GMT
It's not a complaint, after all I can't complain about something that hasn't materialised yet. It's just an intrigued observation.
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Post by stcoop on Apr 27, 2020 14:15:06 GMT
I can completely understand people not wanting to feel they're being forced into spending money to follow a story but it still needs a start and an end somewhere. Unless they included them in audio, prose and comic form. But that then runs the risk of leaving people feeling like they've paid for the same thing multiple times.
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Post by relativetime on Apr 27, 2020 14:51:46 GMT
I’m very curious to see what this all ends up looking like. While I’ll probably only be following the audios, if the books and comics look good - and it being Titan, I’m sure the comics will be splendid - I’ll probably end up looking into those as well if I’ve got the spare change.
If there’s a multi-Doctor story with Eight and Ten in the works... ooooh, I’m excited just thinking about it!
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Post by project37 on Apr 27, 2020 15:06:59 GMT
I can completely understand people not wanting to feel they're being forced into spending money to follow a story but it still needs a start and an end somewhere. Unless they included them in audio, prose and comic form. But that then runs the risk of leaving people feeling like they've paid for the same thing multiple times.
Not necessarily. For example, Christopher Eccleston's Ninth Doctor can have an entire self-contained adventure in a BBC Books novel. Meanwhile David Tennant's Tenth Doctor can be involved in a completely different BF audio story and mention a quick reference to a character he'd encountered during his previous incarnation's adventure, connecting the dots for those who enjoyed both without isolating those that didn't. He can then use a bit of technology and say that he hadn't used it since that time on Planet Zog. Then Titan Comics readers could see Paul McGann's Eighth Doctor in that particular adventure on Planet Zog where he first uses said technology.
In terms of narrative, you get three completely self-contained and distinct puzzle pieces that could be enjoyed on their own, or connected together to enjoy an even bigger picture.  Comic book events do this "side step" narrative approach with varying degrees of success.
This isn't even new for Doctor Who. In "Boom Town", Rose briefly mentions the planet Justicia to Mickey. The average television viewer thought nothing of it (and it had nothing to do with the rest of the story about Margaret the Slitheen), while those who would read the Ninth Doctor novel "The Monsters Inside" had a little more insight into an otherwise throwaway line about a passport.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 27, 2020 15:49:44 GMT
And Big Finish has dipped its toe in these kind of waters before with Benny audios and books. Was James Goss also producing the range at the time?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 27, 2020 15:52:41 GMT
it still needs a start and an end somewhere. I'd like to think these, at least, would be free or cheap.
(Can I suggest, incidentally, that the two threads get merged and then Mods can decide whether one or more threads [or an entire sub-forum?] are needed as we learn more?)
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Post by ollychops on Apr 27, 2020 16:57:07 GMT
This is... interesting. As someone who mainly focuses on audio, and has only dabbled a little in the New Series Adventures (though, I haven't read any since the S5 ones...) and has barely dipped into the comics yet, I'm a bit apprehensive about the idea of the multi-platform story but I'll wait to get more info before I make any sort of judgements. Honestly, I kinda wish we had more information with this announcement, but it sounds like they're going to drip-feed the details over the next few weeks/months so that's something to look forward to. Rose's outfit on the cover is intriguing... {Spoiler}
The first thing I thought about was the abandoned S1 episode that was meant to be written by Paul Abbott, where they landed in Pompeii in 79 AD and it was going to be revealed that Rose's life had been manipulated to be the perfect companion for the Doctor. Seems like it could be a very Time Lord Victorious thing to do? So Speculation is that for the audio cast (well judging from the poster and the characters mentioned at the moment- probarly heaps more to be announced) Paul McGann (8th Doctor) David Tennant (10th Doctor) Jacob Dudman (9th Doctor) Billie Piper (Rose Tyler) Silas Carson (The OOD) Nicholas Briggs (The Daleks) I really hope they don't use Jacob as the 9th Doctor, because I'm fine with him voicing the Doctors in a narrated story and a one-line cameo (like in R&J) but I wouldn't be too impressed if they recast him as Nine (no offence to him because he seems nice and does a good job with the Chronicles and Short Trips). I feel like Nine is probably going to be used more in the books/comics side of this arc but I could be wrong. I think this artwork is possibly the general image for the arc, instead of being the actual cover for the audios? But again, I could be wrong |
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Post by cwm on Apr 27, 2020 17:05:25 GMT
I strongly suspect that the Ninth Doctor, and possibly the Tenth too, will not appear in the Big Finish sections of this story and will appear in the comics or books.
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Post by constonks on Apr 27, 2020 17:05:40 GMT
it still needs a start and an end somewhere. I'd like to think these, at least, would be free or cheap. [/div][/quote] It would be good to see them do a web short story (or one of them Jacob Dudman YouTube readings) as an introduction! |
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 27, 2020 17:11:20 GMT
I assume the Daleks are not “the terrible race” spoken of in the press release, so are the Daleks, just like the Doctors, battling the main enemy in this?
Or perhaps it will be a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”?
Whichever I am sure it will be interesting, but in a way I would have liked a Time War without the Daleks if for no other reason than to differentiate the two wars.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 27, 2020 17:13:47 GMT
I strongly suspect that the Ninth Doctor, and possibly the Tenth too, will not appear in the Big Finish sections of this story and will appear in the comics or books. That would be a shame. I was really hoping for a meeting, and hopefully an adventure, with the Tenth Doctor and the Eighth Doctor on audio. |
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Post by agentten on Apr 27, 2020 18:29:06 GMT
This reminds me of the Star Wars multimedia event, Shadows of The Empire. That event had a video game, book, comic, toys, even a soundtrack of original music. Each of the tie-ins were pretty much a whole story when taken by themselves, but if one followed all of the tie-ins, a broader version of the story could be pieced together. I think it's a neat concept and I'm looking forward to Time Lord Victorious, especially the Big Finish contributions.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 27, 2020 18:35:34 GMT
Hmm. I wonder if this will have 10 as the villain. And everybody else working against him? Would be totally on board with that. Anyways, like everybody else, looking forward to the BF side of it. Might even check out the comics. And if my attention is kept, and the reviews are good, maybe read the book.
The rest might not be accessible for people outside the UK, and who knows when we will be able to travel abroad again this year.
Well, cool idea, something nice to look forward to this year at least. Hope BF got all the actors along (well, apart from the obvious). |
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Post by polly on Apr 27, 2020 18:47:05 GMT
So, this whole event is being designed so that you can follow one medium only and still understand everything, eh? Well, I appreciate the thought, but it makes me wonder how that'll pan out, because managing this kind of thing takes a lot of skill.
Too far one way, and it's a convoluted mess and I'll be missing things if I don't hunt down 47 other comic books, novels, blog posts, VR games, commemorative plates, trading card flavor text, and candy bar wrappers. Too far the other way, and it's so disconnected you wonder what the point of it all was.
I don't mean to rain on any parade, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I'm just more of a "wait and see" kind of person than an "I NEED IT RIGHT NOW!" kind of person.
I am curious about what the story is, despite the announcement it seems like there's very little detail.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 27, 2020 19:15:27 GMT
Probably the best way to think about this is as it is, a war. You don't necessarily need to have close familiarity with every battle to understand how the war unfolded. This whole thing is probably going to be a discrete part of the Whoniverse; dive right in or ignore it.
I'm wondering, though, whether any of BF's already announced 8, 9 and 10 stories from the same period (Sept-Jan) are actually going to turn out to be part of this. Could this story fold out of "The Time War 4 Box Set", for example?
After all, the 'TLV' books have been on Amazon's preorders list for months, we just haven't known what they are.
Also, there's a new DWM this week. Will it have the same coverage as we've seen today, or more?
[Biggest question of all - why those three Doctors in particular?]
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Post by typeforty on Apr 27, 2020 19:17:00 GMT
Doing a little theorizing here-
1) The daleks on the left look like the original Hartnell Era, NOT the Time war.... 2) Those starships on the upper right- Something about them yells... Bowships?
Could this be an alternate 10 who went full bad after Waters of Mars? One that decided to go back and ...'correct' mistakes the Time Lords did throughout history? Or maybe attempt to... influence the way the Time Lords 'evolved' so they would be on a war footing before the Time War?
The Dark Times reference makes me think events like the Vampire War are involved- that war contributed quite a bit to the Time Lords aversion to violence. It would be a great look into an area of the lore they've only ever hinted at.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 27, 2020 19:21:11 GMT
Doing a little theorizing here-
1) The daleks on the left look like the original Hartnell Era, NOT the Time war.... 2) Those starships on the upper right- Something about them yells... Bowships?
Could this be an alternate 10 who went full bad after Waters of Mars? One that decided to go back and ...'correct' mistakes the Time Lords did throughout history? Or maybe attempt to... influence the way the Time Lords 'evolved' so they would be on a war footing before the Time War?
The Dark Times reference makes me think events like the Vampire War are involved- that war contributed quite a bit to the Time Lords aversion to violence. It would be a great look into an area of the lore they've only ever hinted at.
You are right. Sounds all das plausible. You might be onto something. So we might finally get a closer look at the war against the Vampires. |
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Post by xlozdob on Apr 27, 2020 19:30:17 GMT
So, this whole event is being designed so that you can follow one medium only and still understand everything, eh? Well, I appreciate the thought, but it makes me wonder how that'll pan out, because managing this kind of thing takes a lot of skill. Too far one way, and it's a convoluted mess and I'll be missing things if I don't hunt down 47 other comic books, novels, blog posts, VR games, commemorative plates, trading card flavor text, and candy bar wrappers. Too far the other way, and it's so disconnected you wonder what the point of it all was. I don't mean to rain on any parade, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I'm just more of a "wait and see" kind of person than an "I NEED IT RIGHT NOW!" kind of person. I am curious about what the story is, despite the announcement it seems like there's very little detail. We definitely need commemorative plates and candy bar wrappers, or I'm already out. |
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Post by agentten on Apr 27, 2020 19:32:07 GMT
The vampire war is something I've long hoped would be explored in more depth, so the prospect of getting a broad, multimedia story set in that era is pretty tantalizing.
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Comic book events do this "side step" narrative approach with varying degrees of success.
