ljwilson
Chancellery Guard
It's tangerine....not orange
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Post by ljwilson on May 21, 2020 21:12:46 GMT
Yes, the general consensus is how wonderful a story is but for some reason(s) they just don't click with you.
I will always try and try again - The Dark Flame must have took me 6 goes, and is still rubbish btw - but here are a few of mine:
The Marian Conspiracy (just not a big fan of historicals)
The Fires of Vulcan (as above)
Project Twilight (I'm not bothered by the gore, just didn't grab me really)
Primeval (all a bit woolly)
Seasons of Fear (should try it again soon)
The Sandman (the alien voices grate)
The One Doctor (never made it past part 1)
Enemy of the Daleks (all noise and no substance, with a terrible voice for the metal hatchling things. Parts 1 and 2 quite good but nosedives after)
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lidar2
Castellan
You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on May 22, 2020 16:04:54 GMT
Never really took to the rapture
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Post by timegirl on May 22, 2020 16:25:43 GMT
Bang-bang-bang-Boom!
I wanted to like this one a lot more than I did because it’s a silly panto Christmas story like The One Doctor , it has singing, and Patricia Quinn from Rocky Horror! But unfortunately it somehow didn’t quite live up to those elements for me😕 Maybe because I am not a Trekkie and my exposure to Eurovision extends to the My Lovely Horse episode of Father Ted🤔 It’s one or two good moments but I definitely prefer the One Doctor overall!
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Post by fingersmash on May 22, 2020 17:39:52 GMT
I have talked about how underwhelmed I am with Doom Coalition and Ravenous many-a-time. They never capture me how I wish they could.
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Post by polly on May 22, 2020 18:59:40 GMT
Bloodtide - Sixie and Evelyn in a tropical adventure. A historical one, to boot, sort of. And yet...I just don't like the way the Doctor is characterized and found it underwhelming overall. The One Doctor - Less annoying to me than some of the other panto stories, but I don't see how it's good enough to be an all-time classic. Bang Bang a Boom - Once again, panto fluff doesn't really agree with me. The Star Trek/B5 parody is fun for a bit but the whole thing outlasts its welcome. And if I can sneak in a Benny, Oh No It Isn't completes the I-don't-get-panto trifecta. Nice thread idea, by the way. Especially since the unpopular opinions thread sometimes turns into fanfiction central.  |
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Post by pazzer on May 22, 2020 22:30:50 GMT
Jubilee - I kept waiting for it to turn into this amazing story that everyone raves about.
Doctor Who and The Pirates - The idea of a musical episode is great but I just wasn't invested in the story.
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shutupbanks
Castellan
There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 22, 2020 23:48:20 GMT
The Chimes Of Midnight left me a bit “meh.” I can see why people love it but it wasn’t my cup of tea at all.
Bang Bang A Boom is one of only two Big Finish stories I never finished (Wizard of Oz was the other): it just felt laboured and overly smug to me.
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Post by nitronine on May 23, 2020 1:42:24 GMT
I never really understood the love for Spare Parts, but the last time I listened to it was over two years ago so I am planning to relisten soon to see if I will get it now.
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ljwilson
Chancellery Guard
It's tangerine....not orange
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Post by ljwilson on May 23, 2020 8:48:18 GMT
I never really understood the love for Spare Parts, but the last time I listened to it was over two years ago so I am planning to relisten soon to see if I will get it now. Years ago when I first heard it and was only just starting on my BF journey, I wasn't too impressed either. However, I do love Spare Parts now. |
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Post by tuigirl on May 23, 2020 9:22:33 GMT
I think it depends on how you define "like". I can appreciate a good story, good writing, great performances and a clever plot- but might not necessarily ENJOY the end result. So is "like" something that you think is well crafted or something you enjoy?
I just go with the meaning of "Stories that are great but which I do not enjoy".
Definitely Jubilee. I am too sensitive for that and it is just painful and hard for me to listen to. I have the same issue with the first War Master set.
The Holy Terror. Great story, great characters, Frobisher!, but as enjoyable as having pins stuck into my ears.
Somehow I do not have that much of an issue with Spare Parts. The first time I heard it I found it hard to listen to, but on re-listens it is actually a very strong and gripping story, this is why I will keep Spare Parts off this list.
Chimes of Midnight. The beginning is great. As soon as it starts to get meta, I find it pretty confusing and the plot completely leaves me standing in the rain.
Sirens of Time. Yes, I know, one has to start somewhere. But coming to it from the future, so to speak, after having listened to what BF would become, this comes across as a bit average. In every respect.
Many people seem to love Stones of Venice. This is another one that I should like, because I like the team and the idea is interesting, but it just leaves me cold. I cannot really put my finger on it, but somehow neither the characters nor the plot enthuse me. This is not helped by the "Charley is drugged" which becomes kind of a theme in these 8th Doctor adventures.
Neverland. Again, love 8 and Charley. But not a fan of how Romana and the Time Lords are handled. I am also not a fan of this version of Rassilon (I like the ruthless TV incarnation better). Not a fan of the villain. In short, not a fan of this story. I think the only great thing about this story, for me, is the ending with 8 being possessed.
And as for a very recent example- "Scorched Earth". Awesome story. Great writing, fantastic performance. We get lots of characters that are not black and white, the whole mustache twirling villain is nicely avoided, everybody is shown as human with human weaknesses, which also includes the Nazi characters. But as I have written in the relevant thread, I am not on board with how the ending and the resolution with the Nazi characters is handled and I personally think the Doctor is a bit out of character here. Just does not gel with me.
However, when I come to think about it, there are many more stories which I thought I would NOT like and I came to love for some reason.
Maybe we should do a thread about that, too?
Edit- have to add another one- Dark Universe. I should like this. I love the Eleven. I was thrilled by the idea of getting a story of Rasmus and 7 catching the Eleven, as teased in Doom Coalition. But for me, the story does not come together, I feel that Rasmus was pretty much wasted in this story and not the character I thought I knew from the 8th Doctor stories. Dark Universe tries to cram an epic universe- shattering plot into 2 hours, with only a skeleton cast at hand. It just leaves me hollow and disappointed.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 23, 2020 9:35:45 GMT
Dunno if there's any stories I think I should like.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 10:45:47 GMT
Renaissance of the Daleks fits the bill as a Doctor Who MR story that I should like, but I didn't... it is ambitious, there are plenty of wild ideas thrown in to the mix, the end result was a bit uninspiring though. So Renaissance of the Daleks was a Dalek story that just didn't cut it for me.
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Post by doctorkernow on May 23, 2020 15:50:47 GMT
Hello again.
I agree with tuigirl. There are stories that are clever but not enjoyable to listen to. Red is an extraordinary story and one I'll listen to again but it isn't enjoyable. Natural History of Fear is another. My head ached after that one. Very effective, but not at all entertaining. The Holy Terror episode 4 is quite terrifying. That weird voice... Brr...
I do think these are stories that are very strong on ideas and atmosphere. However, I like the contrast you get with more leftfield and ridiculous stories like The One Doctor and Bang Bang a Boom.
It’s all a matter of personal taste. The good thing about discussing stories on here both audio and tv is that you don't get personally attacked for having a different opinion.
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Post by doctorkernow on May 23, 2020 16:47:09 GMT
Bang-bang-bang-Boom! I wanted to like this one a lot more than I did because it’s a silly panto Christmas story like The One Doctor , it has singing, and Patricia Quinn from Rocky Horror! But unfortunately it somehow didn’t quite live up to those elements for me😕 Maybe because I am not a Trekkie and my exposure to Eurovision extends to the My Lovely Horse episode of Father Ted🤔 It’s one or two good moments but I definitely prefer the One Doctor overall! ]Hello again. Ireland should have entered My Lovely Horse to the real Eurovision just for the craic! Bang bang a boom is a little long but has its merits. Sylvester McCoy and Bonnie Langford are a great team in this. The pastiche of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5 is funny and while The One Doctor is more compact. I lije both because of their glorious silliness. Either one would have fitted perfectly into the pantomime that was Season 24. |
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Post by tuigirl on May 23, 2020 17:08:20 GMT
It’s all a matter of personal taste. The good thing about discussing stories on here both audio and tv is that you don't get personally attacked for having a different opinion. I never understood the reasoning behind attacking someone for their taste in entertainment. If it was something offensive, for example racist or fascist, well, yes, that should be made topic of a debate and certainly warrants some kind of "attack". But all the toxic behaviour shown by some part of certain fandoms is just completely beyond me.
You do not like it? Do not watch it. Or read it or listen to it or whatever.
Why do you need to make a 30min Youtube rant out of it? Why the need for a crusade? And why the need to destroy the enjoyment of other people of the same thing?
This is like forcing yourself to eat some food you hate, continue complaining about it and spitting on other people's plates. Instead of going out and buying the thing you like.
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Post by doctorkernow on May 23, 2020 18:19:18 GMT
Hello again. Ooh I know,Tuigirl. Such people seem to take a joyous pleasure in kicking something that others enjoy just for the sake of it. There is a difference between vitriolic destructive reviews and constructive reviews that see the good and not so good in a piece of fiction. My favourite reviewers are doc oho who has a very distinctive style of reviewing and stubagful, the cynical one on YouTube who at least says why something doesn't work and wears his opinions lightly. In other words he knows their just opinions and not the be all and end all. docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/?m=1m.youtube.com/user/herbalcrackpot |
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Post by tuigirl on May 23, 2020 18:30:13 GMT
Hello again. Ooh I know,Tuigirl. Such people seem to take a joyous pleasure in kicking something that others enjoy just for the sake of it. There is a difference between vitriolic destructive reviews and constructive reviews that see the good and not so good in a piece of fiction. My favourite reviewers are doc oho who has a very distinctive style of reviewing and stubagful, the cynical one on YouTube who at least says why something doesn't work and wears his opinions lightly. In other words he knows their just opinions and not the be all and end all. docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/?m=1m.youtube.com/user/herbalcrackpotI certainly love stubagful. I do not agree with everything he says, but at least he sometimes gets me thinking. That is worth a lot in a reviewer.
Similar with Doc Oho- I agree with some of what he says, and some of the things he loves, I do enjoy also. But on other stories... we have completely different views and I sometimes think he is a bit unfair. He can be pretty harsh.
But of course these guys are miles away from certain youtube rants which I avoid like my mum's favorite fried liver sausage (for which I have not yet found a fitting word to describe how vile it is). |
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Post by doctorkernow on May 23, 2020 18:54:41 GMT
Hello again.
My mum's interesting culinary creation was banana crumble. Crumble topping hiding a ghastly, gooey mess of banana and demerera sugar!
I disagree with reviewers and critics as well. There are stories I love that very few others do, Delta and the Bannermen I'm looking at you! No one goes out to write a bad tv story or audio story. Sometimes a good idea is lost in odd production choices.
Doctor Who is not easy to write for and I applaud those who have contributed to the mainstream Doctor Who tv, audio, books and comics. As for the fan fiction writers, we find the same difficulties as the professionals. However, if you don't try and practise your craft then you won't get better. Every half-written story or synopsis that doesn't make it to a full story is usefu experience.
Best wishes to all creators who enjoy working in the diverse multiverse that is Doctor Who.
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Post by fingersmash on May 24, 2020 16:47:48 GMT
Hello again. My mum's interesting culinary creation was banana crumble. Crumble topping hiding a ghastly, gooey mess of banana and demerera sugar! I disagree with reviewers and critics as well. There are stories I love that very few others do, Delta and the Bannermen I'm looking at you! No one goes out to write a bad tv story or audio story. Sometimes a good idea is lost in odd production choices. Doctor Who is not easy to write for and I applaud those who have contributed to the mainstream Doctor Who tv, audio, books and comics. As for the fan fiction writers, we find the same difficulties as the professionals. However, if you don't try and practise your craft then you won't get better. Every half-written story or synopsis that doesn't make it to a full story is usefu experience. Best wishes to all creators who enjoy working in the diverse multiverse that is Doctor Who. There are tens of us! Tens I tell you! |
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Post by BHTvsTFC on May 24, 2020 19:47:24 GMT
Definitely The One Doctor - don't have a problem with panto, or Christopher Biggins, but this was not good!
Eighth Doctor and Lucie stories - there are exceptions but a dreary, unambitious set of stories over all and Paul McGann (amazing before and after) just phoning his lines in like he's playing 'Mr Cool' throughout.
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