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Post by polly on Jun 10, 2020 20:54:21 GMT
That doesn't even include several other changes that were thrown at subscribers in a ham-fisted & awkward way like the elimination of the yearly subscriber special release among others. So yeah. No argument. And yeah, I would very much like to know what is going on as well sooner rather than later but I would also point out MR 275 doesn't come out until March of next year. So 10 months away. This is also one of those cases where I would cut them a little slack as they move out and through lockdown. We know some things have gotten pushed forward, some things have been pushed back but we don't know to what degree. Yes their ability to message has always been lacking but again, this isn't a thing happening this month or even a couple of months from now. Yeah, they certainly have plenty of time on the MR issue specifically, and I understand the pandemic has jumbled things up. Those are good points to bear in mind. It's just that there are a lot of follow-up questions not being addressed yet, and as a fan and a customer those are the details that make a difference. I'm sure they're not going to keep it all a secret until the week 275 comes out, but I would prefer a little more candidness on this big a topic instead of their patented coyness. I'm not sitting here seething with rage and cursing their houses for seven generations or anything. My annoyance comes from a combination of it being such a huge change, plus fan paranoia on my part, plus past track record on their part. I will do my very best to cool my jets and be patient.
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Post by xlozdob on Jun 11, 2020 0:54:29 GMT
I understand being upset about the overseas pricing policy thing, for example, but why despair about something that's not gonna happen until well into next year? They've given out the information about what comes next, how to plug the tail end of your subscriptions, but apart from that what use is information about what they're doing the rest of the year and during the next? I agree they sometimes announce things without the proper information, but this time I don't think they needed to say anything else for now, at least not until they've got those productions in the can.
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Post by axelotl38 on Jun 11, 2020 1:52:38 GMT
Holy hell there seems to be a lot of complaining. We'll get info as we get closer, but it's still a year away at the moment.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 11, 2020 12:52:45 GMT
Holy hell there seems to be a lot of complaining. We'll get info as we get closer, but it's still a year away at the moment. I think it's justified, to be perfectly honest. Big Finish have announced a major change, but not provided any additional details on how it will be handled or what it will consist of. It might be a year away, but there's nothing stopping them making an announcement closer to the time. After all, we have only just been given news about what's upcoming with the main range, just over a month before Time Apart is due to be released. As it stands, Big Finish decided to not provide any additional information. They tried to strike a middle ground between regular customers and new listeners, but didn't really seem to satisfy either of them. Personally, I think they should have made the announcement later on and with it provided details of the first three sets. Let's say they're Fifth, Sixth & Seventh Doctor sets. They need to strike a balance between being different to the main range, but not being substantially different so they turn existing customers away. I'm thinking something along the lines of... Fifth Doctor - Story 1: 4 Parter (Nyssa, Tegan & Adric) - Story 2: 6 Parter (Tegan & Turlough) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Peri) Sixth Doctor - Story 1: 3 Parter (Peri & Frobisher) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Charley) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Constance & Flip) - Story 4: 4 Parter (Mel) Seventh Doctor - Story 1: 6 Parter (Ace) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Ace & Hex) - Story 3: 3 Parter (Ace & Benny) - The whole set has an arc running through them to make a loosely connected trilogy These are just examples, of course, but they show the flexibility of the format, but also some familiarity with what's come before. I'm sure it won't satisfy everyone, but at least it gives an idea of what to expect. As it stands, you get people concerned it'll be the format of the 4DAs, or something like Ravenous, or even no change at all. I think the reality is it'll be a blend, but we need to see that.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 11, 2020 16:39:22 GMT
The Big Finish Office Nick."I notice some of the guys on the Divergent are going ballistic and becoming quite paranoid after the ending of the Main Range and the start of the new relaunch" Sue."Should i order some straitjackets??"
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Post by muckypup on Jun 11, 2020 17:12:06 GMT
Holy hell there seems to be a lot of complaining. We'll get info as we get closer, but it's still a year away at the moment. I think it's justified, to be perfectly honest. Big Finish have announced a major change, but not provided any additional details on how it will be handled or what it will consist of. It might be a year away, but there's nothing stopping them making an announcement closer to the time. After all, we have only just been given news about what's upcoming with the main range, just over a month before Time Apart is due to be released. As it stands, Big Finish decided to not provide any additional information. They tried to strike a middle ground between regular customers and new listeners, but didn't really seem to satisfy either of them. Personally, I think they should have made the announcement later on and with it provided details of the first three sets. Let's say they're Fifth, Sixth & Seventh Doctor sets. They need to strike a balance between being different to the main range, but not being substantially different so they turn existing customers away. I'm thinking something along the lines of... Fifth Doctor - Story 1: 4 Parter (Nyssa, Tegan & Adric) - Story 2: 6 Parter (Tegan & Turlough) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Peri) Sixth Doctor - Story 1: 3 Parter (Peri & Frobisher) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Charley) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Constance & Flip) - Story 4: 4 Parter (Mel) Seventh Doctor - Story 1: 6 Parter (Ace) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Ace & Hex) - Story 3: 3 Parter (Ace & Benny) - The whole set has an arc running through them to make a loosely connected trilogy These are just examples, of course, but they show the flexibility of the format, but also some familiarity with what's come before. I'm sure it won't satisfy everyone, but at least it gives an idea of what to expect. As it stands, you get people concerned it'll be the format of the 4DAs, or something like Ravenous, or even no change at all. I think the reality is it'll be a blend, but we need to see that. personally I am expecting something similar to what we currently have just in a box, expecting 2 storys (4 discs) per box to start with Then other stuff ie river, unit, 8th, 4th Rearranged to plug the monthly gap.....I am expecting less monthly releases going forward, but more content per release then that gives them room to change and mix things up in future........
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Post by axelotl38 on Jun 12, 2020 10:48:20 GMT
Holy hell there seems to be a lot of complaining. We'll get info as we get closer, but it's still a year away at the moment. I think it's justified, to be perfectly honest. Big Finish have announced a major change, but not provided any additional details on how it will be handled or what it will consist of. It might be a year away, but there's nothing stopping them making an announcement closer to the time. After all, we have only just been given news about what's upcoming with the main range, just over a month before Time Apart is due to be released. As it stands, Big Finish decided to not provide any additional information. They tried to strike a middle ground between regular customers and new listeners, but didn't really seem to satisfy either of them. Personally, I think they should have made the announcement later on and with it provided details of the first three sets. Let's say they're Fifth, Sixth & Seventh Doctor sets. They need to strike a balance between being different to the main range, but not being substantially different so they turn existing customers away. I'm thinking something along the lines of... Fifth Doctor - Story 1: 4 Parter (Nyssa, Tegan & Adric) - Story 2: 6 Parter (Tegan & Turlough) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Peri) Sixth Doctor - Story 1: 3 Parter (Peri & Frobisher) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Charley) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Constance & Flip) - Story 4: 4 Parter (Mel) Seventh Doctor - Story 1: 6 Parter (Ace) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Ace & Hex) - Story 3: 3 Parter (Ace & Benny) - The whole set has an arc running through them to make a loosely connected trilogy These are just examples, of course, but they show the flexibility of the format, but also some familiarity with what's come before. I'm sure it won't satisfy everyone, but at least it gives an idea of what to expect. As it stands, you get people concerned it'll be the format of the 4DAs, or something like Ravenous, or even no change at all. I think the reality is it'll be a blend, but we need to see that. That's a bit of a false equivalency though. BF do keep details on Stranded, Monthlies etc closer to release. But those are details, not the actual order pages. We knew, and could pre-order, Stranded for several months. Same with the monthlies. Even for Out of Time, whilst the first release has a two month window, that doesn't compare to the several months of the other two. And stuff like Lives of Captain Jack are singular releases, not massive subscription models. If in 6 months time we still know nothing on pre-orders, then maybe we can start to get irked. But doing an announcement, with further details to follow, doesn't seem awful. Especially when chances are they're still yet to record heaps of the new model sets, and so announcing too early runs a further risk.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 12, 2020 13:06:45 GMT
I think it's justified, to be perfectly honest. Big Finish have announced a major change, but not provided any additional details on how it will be handled or what it will consist of. It might be a year away, but there's nothing stopping them making an announcement closer to the time. After all, we have only just been given news about what's upcoming with the main range, just over a month before Time Apart is due to be released. As it stands, Big Finish decided to not provide any additional information. They tried to strike a middle ground between regular customers and new listeners, but didn't really seem to satisfy either of them. Personally, I think they should have made the announcement later on and with it provided details of the first three sets. Let's say they're Fifth, Sixth & Seventh Doctor sets. They need to strike a balance between being different to the main range, but not being substantially different so they turn existing customers away. I'm thinking something along the lines of... Fifth Doctor - Story 1: 4 Parter (Nyssa, Tegan & Adric) - Story 2: 6 Parter (Tegan & Turlough) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Peri) Sixth Doctor - Story 1: 3 Parter (Peri & Frobisher) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Charley) - Story 3: 2 Parter (Constance & Flip) - Story 4: 4 Parter (Mel) Seventh Doctor - Story 1: 6 Parter (Ace) - Story 2: 3 Parter (Ace & Hex) - Story 3: 3 Parter (Ace & Benny) - The whole set has an arc running through them to make a loosely connected trilogy These are just examples, of course, but they show the flexibility of the format, but also some familiarity with what's come before. I'm sure it won't satisfy everyone, but at least it gives an idea of what to expect. As it stands, you get people concerned it'll be the format of the 4DAs, or something like Ravenous, or even no change at all. I think the reality is it'll be a blend, but we need to see that. That's a bit of a false equivalency though. BF do keep details on Stranded, Monthlies etc closer to release. But those are details, not the actual order pages. We knew, and could pre-order, Stranded for several months. Same with the monthlies. Even for Out of Time, whilst the first release has a two month window, that doesn't compare to the several months of the other two. And stuff like Lives of Captain Jack are singular releases, not massive subscription models. If in 6 months time we still know nothing on pre-orders, then maybe we can start to get irked. But doing an announcement, with further details to follow, doesn't seem awful. Especially when chances are they're still yet to record heaps of the new model sets, and so announcing too early runs a further risk. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. There was nothing stopping them announcing this change in six months time with further details. As it stands, they didn’t, and people have questions. There’s nothing wrong with that.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 12, 2020 14:08:17 GMT
That's a bit of a false equivalency though. BF do keep details on Stranded, Monthlies etc closer to release. But those are details, not the actual order pages. We knew, and could pre-order, Stranded for several months. Same with the monthlies. Even for Out of Time, whilst the first release has a two month window, that doesn't compare to the several months of the other two. And stuff like Lives of Captain Jack are singular releases, not massive subscription models. If in 6 months time we still know nothing on pre-orders, then maybe we can start to get irked. But doing an announcement, with further details to follow, doesn't seem awful. Especially when chances are they're still yet to record heaps of the new model sets, and so announcing too early runs a further risk. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. There was nothing stopping them announcing this change in six months time with further details.As it stands, they didn’t, and people have questions. There’s nothing wrong with that. I don't know that I agree. I think they had to announce it now because of the timing, i.e. 12 month subscribers whose sub ends with #264 or higher cannot take out another 12 month sub if the MR will end at #275. So once they reach that point in the schedule, they have to give out at least some info to their faithful customers who take out regular 12 month subs.
OK, so they didn't absolutely have to, but it would have been extremely poor customer relations if they didn't.
I think the problem for BF with announcing the end of one thing but not making the replacement available for purchase right away is they risk letting their regular subscribers "break the habit". People who regularly buy something can end up buying it out of habit - which is great for the business selling that product - but once those customers temporarily stop buying not all of them will come back. Some obviously will come back but others will decide they like having the extra cash to spend on other things, some will decide they don't really miss it and won't bother buying again, yet others will still buy but more selectively. . . . etc, etc.
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Post by xlozdob on Jun 12, 2020 15:13:28 GMT
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. There was nothing stopping them announcing this change in six months time with further details.As it stands, they didn’t, and people have questions. There’s nothing wrong with that. I don't know that I agree. I think they had to announce it now because of the timing, i.e. 12 month subscribers whose sub ends with #264 or higher cannot take out another 12 month sub if the MR will end at #275. So once they reach that point in the schedule, they have to give out at least some info to their faithful customers who take out regular 12 month subs.
OK, so they didn't absolutely have to, but it would have been extremely poor customer relations if they didn't.
I think the problem for BF with announcing the end of one thing but not making the replacement available for purchase right away is they risk letting their regular subscribers "break the habit". People who regularly buy something can end up buying it out of habit - which is great for the business selling that product - but once those customers temporarily stop buying not all of them will come back. Some obviously will come back but others will decide they like having the extra cash to spend on other things, some will decide they don't really miss it and won't bother buying again, yet others will still buy but more selectively. . . . etc, etc.
That's the first real argument I've seen for why they should have given more details so far in advance.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 13, 2020 9:42:53 GMT
A Classic Doctors Range
If I was designing a range I would standardise the releases as all having four discs with two stories per boxset. A traditional four part story structure with each story available as a stand alone download.
1st Doctor with David Bradley and a recast series 6b 2nd Doctor would both get one release per year. However the Companion Chronicles range to continue for these two Doctors
Increase the 3rd Doctor to two releases per year. With a recast Sarah Jane and Liz Shaw there should be plenty of variety available, plus they can always introduce a new companion.
The 4th Doctor to continue as before with two releases per year and introduce the same set up for Five, Six and Seven. And also start banking stories for the future as they are already doing with Tom.
This way Big Finish could offer a 12 month/12 release subscription for the Classic Doctors. And there would be individual Doctor bundles.
They could still give us one story box sets as one offs outside of the monthly range, just as they are doing now.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 13, 2020 14:06:54 GMT
I am willing to bet we are all over complicating this redesign. If accessibility is what BF is after, I would think/hope that the watchword is simple.
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Post by glutamodo on Jun 13, 2020 14:12:16 GMT
I've not been watching news here lately, so I only just caught this.
However, I was totally expecting it for a long time. The way BF would not allow preorders past a certain date was indicative of a shift. I flat out asked Nick Briggs like a year and a half ago (during a Facebook "ask me" period) if something like this was going to happened and he brushed it off. But it was rather obvious that something was going to change... and it has.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 16:20:39 GMT
Has anyone considered that a reason for putting this out in the open, without firm details, is a way of listening to feedback? Perhaps they will firm up their formatting and purchase options as they strike a balance between practicalities and what guaranteed subscribers or regulars want?
I suspect BF are trying to future proof their output, knowing that some ranges are finite, as Colin & Sylvester will be approaching 80 by the time the MR reaches 300 and may wish to do less, more infrequently, without NU Who Doctors being available yet. Perhaps they are struggling to commission a reasonably balanced 12 monthly releases a year divided by the three past Doctors (5, 6 & 7) as they have managed for the past 21 years?
Lets wait and see before passing a verdict on proceedings?
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Post by slithe on Jun 14, 2020 8:53:28 GMT
I agree that the ages of the actors is something that BF will need to consider. I also think that as the New Series ends up becoming more embedded in the public consciousness, it does make sense to focus on this approach.
I will wait and see, but I just think this needs to be handled carefully and we need some handholding to explain the changes and what is coming.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 27, 2020 11:38:36 GMT
Nick's comments in this weeks podcast on what's next in terms of purchase method for future replacement Ranges were interesting
No more Subscriptions but still individual and Bundle options (Bundle options will hopefully include similar Bonuses to MR Subscriptions)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 12:15:43 GMT
Nick's comments in this weeks podcast on what's next in terms of purchase method for future replacement Ranges were interesting No more Subscriptions but still individual and Bundle options (Bundle options will hopefully include similar Bonuses to MR Subscriptions) Regards mark687 Including PDF scripts?
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Post by mark687 on Sept 27, 2020 12:37:22 GMT
Nick's comments in this weeks podcast on what's next in terms of purchase method for future replacement Ranges were interesting No more Subscriptions but still individual and Bundle options (Bundle options will hopefully include similar Bonuses to MR Subscriptions) Regards mark687 Including PDF scripts? He didn't specify (but he personally likes them) Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:10:36 GMT
He didn't specify (but he personally likes them) Regards mark687 So do I (and the many of us)!
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Post by muckypup on Sept 27, 2020 19:13:32 GMT
nick's comments today in the podcast about ending main range infuriated me.......
the reason the main range has become less popular is the lack of transition of it as BF gained new doctors, and diversified their out put....... if it had 4th 8th 10th river Jago/Lightfoot in it would make it a much better prospect for people to buy, the trilogy's are also a hinderance and the lack of a three month sub......everything we have been asking for for years
Stop blaming Us for your love of boxes......
as for subscription model no longer being popular tell that to all the major companies......it works for microsoft, apple, netflix, amazon, magazines etc it your lack of diversity that has allowed it to die.....
shame on you nick and the bad decision you made over last few years or maybe that's been your intention.....(it's the three part tales all over again)
now lets have the commitment from BF that while they are able they will continue to produce 5th 6th & 7th boxes regardless of how they sell on their own!
can I try and get everyone who doesn't think this is a great idea, now the details are starting to emerge to email to big finish and express their disappointment and get some kind of commitment and clarity
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