lidar2
Castellan
You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 29, 2020 22:35:10 GMT
I guess the boxset model may benefit people and BF pre-order sales if people can drop Doctor 5/6/7 (whichever they're not keen on in the current subscription model) as people don't have to begrudge buying into the one they don't like. However I palzo don't see this overall skewing sales so far as one of them becoming uneconomical to continue as all three Doctors have their fans so it should even out? For everyone who dislikes Five there's someone who dislikes Six and someone who dislikes Seven. So hopefully it's win-win for customers and BF with the boxset bundle era. I like the idea of more variety in length and format and bringing whole boxsets rather than waiting each month. I'll probably continue buying everything Who even if the urge to drop Seven does occasionally raise it's bitter head! I'd hate to miss the occasionally good/great one that comes through which is why I have to buy them all rather than pick and choose. When I started I was only going to buy Eighth Doctor stuff as I dislikes 80s who intensely but having caught up with Eight I dipped into 5, 6 & 7 from the start intending to try a few until I got bored and here I am with them all. Sixie was a revelation on audio and quickly became my fav BF Doctor, even surpassing Eight. Five started out meh and has been on and off since, loved the Erimem run, loved the Adric run, loving the Marc run. Seven is still my least favourite despite some great individual stories and a couple of great runs (Klein, Hex) but he's still the most likely to disappoint. The Ace & Mel run was mostly blah and they've failed the carve ppout a decent post Ace era so I'm suffering from Ace fatigue. I do like the rare later morose Seven as in Valhalla, and loved the New Adventures boxset but Seven is the one I'm most likely to drop to save pennies once they're purchaseable by Doctor. Dunno if I agree. The Chris & Roz stories were very good
With regard to BF carving out a decent post Ace era for Seven, I think it's more that they haven't tried very hard or tried very often than that they "failed"
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Post by Andymac on Sept 30, 2020 10:47:53 GMT
It's all to vague, if they said more clearly what's coming then I think I'd process it a little better. If I still get the same amount of stories and for roughly the same expense then I'll be happy. If they can experiment a little more with stories (length, characters, storytelling) I'll be even happier.
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Post by rarewolf on Sept 30, 2020 15:39:32 GMT
I have been buying less & less BF over the past few months, this change won't reverse that for me I am afraid. I dropped the Short Trips, downloads don’t appeal to my collectors mentality in quite the same way. I’ll buy the latest series in a sale, or when I’m ready to listen. Yet to get Robots, Stranded or recent run of Torchwood monthlies too. I used to pre-order everything but figured I might as well wait until the last of each is out. Or Big Finish Day if guests present. The bundle prices don’t change. Something seems to have changed for me over the last year, I’ve just got really behind in listening. Between Lockdown and even a week’s stay in hospital I can’t say I didn’t have the time, just not been in the mood. Funny thing is I can listen to 4-5 Short Trips back to back, yet if I try to listen to an hour long story, I’m lucky to get 10 minutes without interruption. If I’m listening to a long story written and performed to be heard in one go, aren’t I doing it a huge disservice getting through it in chunks? Episodic (or mock episodic) works better for me for that reason. Big Finish has been with me for half my lifetime, but I don’t know how people find the time to keep up anymore. One day I’d like to listen to a lot of it a 2nd or 3rd time too. I understand some of the series even had visual episodes on TV as well.
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Post by polly on Sept 30, 2020 20:56:46 GMT
I really REALLY hope this does not mean that the norm will be sets of four one-hour episodes. There are plenty of enjoyable stories that are one hour long, some have a great deal of depth. But Who has always felt much more right in long form for me. I agree. Two hours is the ideal for a full-cast story, in my opinion.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 2, 2020 1:23:43 GMT
I don't know how my spending habits will change, but I hope they do... I'm... I'm making some poor decisions, of late. What can I say? But personally rather than future releases, I'm more concerned with old releases. I really hope the end of the Main Range signals some discounts on the range as a whole. It's... pretty intimidating to look at the whole thing while considering the math. Big Finish has been with me for half my lifetime, but I don’t know how people find the time to keep up anymore. Ahahaha... it's so much worse being "new" to Big Finish. I can't even begin to imagine it. There's just so much. All I've managed to (almost) 100% has been McGann's stuff, and even that took a great deal of money, focus and time. About 2-3 years, I think? Maybe a bit more? I really started expanding beyond that this year, what with the quarantine, which seems unlikely to end anytime soon....
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Post by Digi on Oct 10, 2020 20:56:22 GMT
A thought that just occurred to me: I wonder if this might not free them to do some early recording and bank certain kinds of stories... Like, for ages we had Christmas specials on TV, while Big Finish's approach to that was a little more 'if we do it, we do it, if not, not.' In theory you could commission four writers to each do their own holiday story, record them, and then you'd have a new release ready for each December for the next four years (or heck, even spooky stories and make them an annual October release thing). They could even sell them as a 'holiday bundle' or some such.
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Post by grinch on Oct 10, 2020 20:59:40 GMT
A thought that just occurred to me: I wonder if this might not free them to do some early recording and bank certain kinds of stories... Like, for ages we had Christmas specials on TV, while Big Finish's approach to that was a little more 'if we do it, we do it, if not, not.' In theory you could commission four writers to each do their own holiday story, record them, and then you'd have a new release ready for each December for the next four years (or heck, even spooky stories and make them an annual October release thing). They could even sell them as a 'holiday bundle' or some such. I’d definitely be up for more seasonal stories. It did have some issues but I thoroughly enjoyed last years ‘Blood on Santa’s Claw’ and would like to see more in the same vein for future December releases ( I still live in hope that one day we’ll get that M.R. James Christmas story.) Not to mention, as far as I know, there are have been very few Halloween stories when it comes to October releases.
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Post by thegreendeath on Oct 19, 2020 3:27:08 GMT
What makes me most disappointed that the main range is ending is that it’s been the most interesting it’s been in many many many years. It’s good to go out on a high note, but honestly if this sort of quality could have been kept up I’d be happy to have it last another 20 years. Makes me a little misty eyed to have to say goodbye.
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 19, 2020 7:21:32 GMT
What makes me most disappointed that the main range is ending is that it’s been the most interesting it’s been in many many many years. It’s good to go out on a high note, but honestly if this sort of quality could have been kept up I’d be happy to have it last another 20 years. Makes me a little misty eyed to have to say goodbye. You took the words right out my mouth, completely agree my friend i am very disappointed that the monthly range is ending.
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Post by Jeedai on Oct 19, 2020 7:39:10 GMT
My one and only 6-story subscription bundle will involve the last seven stories. Either 269 to 274 (Shadow Of The Daleks 1 to The Blazing Hour) or 270 to 275 (Shadow Of The Daleks II to the as-yet untitled finale) Which one of these options will net me a subscriber short trip based on the existing schedule?
Would doing two three-story subscriptions with 272 (The Grey Man Of The Mountain) in the middle at regular price net me an extra one?
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Post by mark687 on Oct 19, 2020 10:33:29 GMT
My one and only 6-story subscription bundle will involve the last seven stories. Either 269 to 274 (Shadow Of The Daleks 1 to The Blazing Hour) or 270 to 275 (Shadow Of The Daleks II to the as-yet untitled finale) Which one of these options will net me a subscriber short trip based on the existing schedule?
Would doing two three-story subscriptions with 272 (The Grey Man Of The Mountain) in the middle at regular price net me an extra one?
Get the highlighted option that way your covered for December then contact Sales via E-mail to get the last one (make a point of saying you are a regular Subscriber) Regards mark687
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Post by hamsterexastris on Oct 19, 2020 13:00:53 GMT
Would doing two three-story subscriptions with 272 (The Grey Man Of The Mountain) in the middle at regular price net me an extra one?
A three-story subscription has to involve one of the last three stories. It won’t let you do one for earlier in the range (or at least it didn’t when I tried a few weeks ago).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 8:18:55 GMT
Just a handful of the monthly range left to go. After that I'm going to be particularly choosy on what I buy. I wont feel the same compulsion to get em all as I did, I think for me that's a good thing
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Post by slithe on Nov 23, 2020 12:55:15 GMT
I get the feeling that the 'end' of the MR will end up, when all is said and done, not being that much of a change from what we've seen now. If anything, it may benefit BF as people will be able to 'buy' the boxsets of Doctor's they want/prefer and 'binge' rather than waiting for a monthly release at a time. The plus is that we might see more story-arcs and characterisation than we have had for a while in the MR.
Personally, I'd love to see some more development with the Seventh Doctor/Chris/Roz as the NA Boxset was probably one of the highlights of McCoy's releases in the past couple of years. BF could easily develop this and build an arc that gets us towards the TV Movie and/or a more darker incarnation. Similarly, I hope the Fifth/Marc/Tegan/Nyssa arc is developed across a future box set - the Covid-19 pandemic has disrupted this slightly and, as good as Shadow of the Daleks was, I'd prefer to see a return to this arc.
Sixie will be the interesting one. The return of Constance was a bit of a damp-squib this year as the Static cliff-hanger wasn't really looked at in any depth. Perhaps a box-set could look at that. I know it wouldn't happen but Sixie and Grant Markham would be interesting - especially if Steve Lyons adapted Killing Ground as the first story.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 14, 2020 7:19:01 GMT
Doing some very rough sums in my head. As of today I am about 49-50 cd's behind in my purchases of the Main/Monthly range.. If I bought 4 X 12monthly subscriptions that's somewhere between AUST $800-$1K.. plus I would get 2 X each of the "Four Doctors" and "Five Companions" meaning I would have 3 copies of each..
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 14, 2020 15:12:59 GMT
I get the feeling that the 'end' of the MR will end up, when all is said and done, not being that much of a change from what we've seen now. If anything, it may benefit BF as people will be able to 'buy' the boxsets of Doctor's they want/prefer and 'binge' rather than waiting for a monthly release at a time. The plus is that we might see more story-arcs and characterization than we have had for a while in the MR. Personally, I'd love to see some more development with the Seventh Doctor/Chris/Roz as the NA Boxset was probably one of the highlights of McCoy's releases in the past couple of years. BF could easily develop this and build an arc that gets us towards the TV Movie and/or a more darker incarnation.... Hopefully, yeah. My one worry, though, is that the arcs will be much smaller to fit the format. IE that we'll only see 4-episode arcs--or 3-episode(?)--arcs, whereas in the MR we'd occassionally see these big story/character arcs that played out across much larger spans of stories. The MR would also do some fun interplay between Doctors, which seems less likely with all three Doctors confined to their individual ranges. EG I'm not sure they'd be able to do something like Charley leaving off with the 8th Doctor to hop on with the 6th Doctor with the segregate ranges. But, definitely, it's a good opportunity for them to focus more on character development and story-arcs, since they know for a fact that everyone listening to one story in a set will also be listening to all the others, whereas with the MR they had to accommodate people who only buy the stories one-at-a-time. And as for the 7th Doctor, I've heard (secondhand) that Big Finish has hinted at big plans for him in the 7DAs, presumably a big arc for the end of his life, potentially an actual lead-in or even retelling of the TV movie... which, I dunno about y'all, but that sounds like the most exciting possible direction to take the 7DAs to me.
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aztec
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Post by aztec on Dec 14, 2020 15:27:54 GMT
One thing I've been wondering about, with the monthly range coming to an end, will BF eventually put The four Doctors and The Five Companions on general sale for those who can't afford/aren't interested in subscribing? I seem to recall Briggs saying that the stories were recorded with the intention of being subscriber exclusive always, but with the range coming to an end, many of the early titles permanently reduced in price and most of the bonus titles being availble for purchase maybe now is cause for a rethink? Will BF continue to offer the option to subscribe to a range that is soon to end?
Or perhaps they could transfer the stories across as a subscription bonus to the new ranges?
Come to think of it, I'm wondering if the new 5/6/7da boxset ranges will actually have a option to subscribe? (or have a pre-order bundle discount like the 8DA boxsets) As presumebly they will be a mix of standalone arc 'event' boxsets like Wicked sisters, and just regular sets collecting together several stories, with the format/tardis teams potentially changing more frequently than the monthly range...
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Post by polly on Dec 14, 2020 20:41:07 GMT
One thing I've been wondering about, with the monthly range coming to an end, will BF eventually put The four Doctors and The Five Companions on general sale for those who can't afford/aren't interested in subscribing? I seem to recall Briggs saying that the stories were recorded with the intention of being subscriber exclusive always, but with the range coming to an end, many of the early titles permanently reduced in price and most of the bonus titles being availble for purchase maybe now is cause for a rethink? Will BF continue to offer the option to subscribe to a range that is soon to end? Or perhaps they could transfer the stories across as a subscription bonus to the new ranges? Come to think of it, I'm wondering if the new 5/6/7da boxset ranges will actually have a option to subscribe? (or have a pre-order bundle discount like the 8DA boxsets) As presumebly they will be a mix of standalone arc 'event' boxsets like Wicked sisters, and just regular sets collecting together several stories, with the format/tardis teams potentially changing more frequently than the monthly range... I would assume that they'd leave the retroactive subscription option available for the MR, but for anyone who has the entire Main Range already, they'll have to come up with something else unless they want those stories to fade away. I understand Nick said what he did in good faith, but given the circumstances, I think a full decade of exclusivity is good enough. And there is some precedent with the Short Trips Rarities giving sub-exclusive content to a wider audience. I don't know if the traditional subscription model will survive the transition, but if they go down the Eighth Doctor route and have a 3-box arc or something, perhaps you can pick a bonus if you pre-order all three?
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Post by cwm on Dec 14, 2020 20:50:40 GMT
Those stories were sold on the specific promise that a subscription would be the only way to buy them. Nick said pre-ordering would still work similarly so I presume they could still offer them as subscriber bonuses.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 20, 2021 8:04:19 GMT
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