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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 20:09:23 GMT
I think the real reason behind all this might be the fact that our stars are not the youngest people anymore... and that we will have to face the inevitable- meaning more and more re-casts.
This will provide more flexibility in that respect, as opposed to rely on some aging guys to carry all the heavy lifting. I think the COVID crisis and the potential vulnerability of their assets has driven that point home.
Do not get me wrong, I love these guys to bits and it would be days of crying if something happens to them...
But what was this about change being the only constant in the universe?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 25, 2020 20:09:42 GMT
Really good point. Also, personally I have no interest in all this 6b stuff, nor do I care about where the First Doctor and Dodo went after leaving the planet of The Savages. I can't imagine new fans, which BF claim to be wanting to get onboard, do either. Yeah, I also have to admit that neither ideas enthuse me. At all.
So not really on board with that.
I guess there are different types of fans, I just like good stories & am not really bothered with heavy continuity & filling in gaps. In fact I find that stuff a bit off-putting.
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Post by shallacatop on May 25, 2020 20:13:39 GMT
So what would we like to see from these sets? We’ve had mentions of varying story lengths, different TARDIS teams, story arcs and all that jazz. The thought of some three part stories and also six partners and beyond appeals. I think what appeals the most is the variety of TARDIS teams that can be offered, some that probably wouldn’t sell as well as a standalone monthly range release.
A Sixth Doctor set consisting of a story apiece for, say, Peri & Frobisher, Constance & Flip and Mel sounds good. Similarly Ace & Hex, Benny and Chris & Roz with Seven. If the £32.50 price tag is anything to go by, then that could offset the risk by effectively offering the “risky” TARDIS team as a free story in monthly range terms.
Just some idle thoughts and speculation.
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 20:18:00 GMT
Are you saying that Sixie is not attractive? I would definitely love an epic Doom Coalition style Sixie adventure, thank you very much.
Joke aside, I basically agree to the things you have mentioned in this thread, you basically share my exact same thoughts.
Apart from the "this could lessen the character of the 8th Doctor's range, I kinda liked that only McGann had the arc driven boxsets, it felt like a midway point between Classic/New who style storytelling and gave the range its own indentity and importance." I think it could work as well for the others. And Sixie is important too, you know. I like Sixie too just feel that the monthly range format works so well for the 5th-7th Doctors I'm not sure if I like the idea of them changing it, I suppose one way of looking at it is the monthly range stories I view as an extension of Classic Who seasons, the McGann boxsets I view as the more modern style TV seasons we never got with 8, crowbarring every Doctor into epic boxsets just lessens their impact for me. Well, I have to say, the box sets we got of 5, 6 and 7 so far (if we can take them as comparison at all) have all been quite good. The 5th Doctor set has some amazing stories which are really something special. The Last Adventure was not too shabby either, although the Charley story is a bit weak, I admit. And two of the stories in the 7th Doctor set were also pretty great. Taken together, I liked them more than most of the 4th Doctor stuff I have listened to.
Plus, I am really looking forward to the Sixie boxset this year.
I think we will have to see what they are going to do.
I just hope it won't be just some random fluff/ continuity filling exercise along the lines of "Series 6B", because this is what I am least interested in... I want some fun adventures... And I was already a bit put-off by the TV series this year which basically retconned the franchise just to explain the Morbius Doctors...
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Post by aztec on May 25, 2020 20:19:13 GMT
So, will these boxsets be numbered (e.g. 5th Doctor Adventures: Volume 1 4x1 hour stories), themed (e.g. 3 loosely connected Dalek stories) subtitled (e.g. 'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi) or just two or three stories with the same Doctor grouped together?
Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I'm worried this may make things more confusing following continuity/bringing in new listeners, perhaps they could have clarified more details (presumably this has been in the works for a while)
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 20:21:18 GMT
So what would we like to see from these sets? We’ve had mentions of varying story lengths, different TARDIS teams, story arcs and all that jazz. The thought of some three part stories and also six partners and beyond appeals. I think what appeals the most is the variety of TARDIS teams that can be offered, some that probably wouldn’t sell as well as a standalone monthly range release. A Sixth Doctor set consisting of a story apiece for, say, Peri & Frobisher, Constance & Flip and Mel sounds good. Similarly Ace & Hex, Benny and Chris & Roz with Seven. If the £32.50 price tag is anything to go by, then that could offset the risk by effectively offering the “risky” TARDIS team as a free story in monthly range terms. Just some idle thoughts and speculation. I definitely would also love some epic longer stories (but maybe not Doom Coalition style 16 parters). Just imagine Sixie on a 4 hour quest...
If it devolves into 4th Doctor style stories, plots and story-telling, I would be more than a bit disappointed.
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Post by elkawho on May 25, 2020 20:21:25 GMT
I mentioned it in my previous comment but no one else really has. Beside the facts that boxes are more expensive and that I also have no interest in a season 6B range,what gets me is the lack of a monthly DW release. I love that we have lots of different content that comes out every month, but as someone has said, the Monthly Range is the backbone. I love knowing that whatever else comes out there will be a monthly classic story out with 5,6 or 7. There isn't anything else like it at BF anymore except for Torchwood (I hope they don't move those to boxsets as well) now that the 4DAs are boxes and Dark Shadows saves everything for miniseries. The format is unique and in the past has been very malleable. There has been some wonderful experimentation over the years that I think it's harder to do in a boxset format. Many of those experiments ended up being some of my favorite stories. It's a shame.
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 20:22:36 GMT
'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi' Until now, I did not know I needed this....
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Post by polly on May 25, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
I think the real reason behind all this might be the fact that our stars are not the youngest people anymore... and that we will have to face the inevitable- meaning more and more re-casts. This will provide more flexibility in that respect, as opposed to rely on some aging guys to carry all the heavy lifting. I think the COVID crisis and the potential vulnerability of their assets has driven that point home. Do not get me wrong, I love these guys to bits and it would be days of crying if something happens to them... But what was this about change being the only constant in the universe? You're not wrong, but for me at least a large part of the appeal was hearing the original actors again and once that's no longer possible it's time to say farewell and move on. But either way, I don't think that situation has much to do with ending the main range, since they can and have recast people in single releases like they did in the Early Adventures, and whether it's 3 stories released in a box set or standalone, it seems like more or less the same workload for our aged cast...
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 25, 2020 20:23:13 GMT
So, will these boxsets be numbered (e.g. 5th Doctor Adventures: Volume 1 4x1 hour stories), themed (e.g. 3 loosely connected Dalek stories) subtitled (e.g. 'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi) or just two or three stories with the same Doctor grouped together? Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I'm worried this may make things more confusing following continuity/bringing in new listeners. From the very little we know, it sounds like it’s effectively going to be the same situation as the 4DAs and 8DAs. A boxset of stories featuring a Doctor and particular companions, with effectively 8 episodes to play with. So we might see a six parter and a two parter, four two parters or the classic main range four parters.
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 20:23:37 GMT
I mentioned it in my previous comment but no one else really has. Beside the facts that boxes are more expensive and that I also have no interest in a season 6B range,what gets me is the lack of a monthly DW release. I love that we have lots of different content that comes out every month, but as someone has said, the Monthly Range is the backbone. I love knowing that whatever else comes out there will be a monthly classic story out with 5,6 or 7. There isn't anything else like it at BF anymore except for Torchwood (I hope they don't move those to boxsets as well) now that the 4DAs are boxes and Dark Shadows saves everything for miniseries. The format is unique and in the past has been very malleable. There has been some wonderful experimentation over the years that I think it's harder to do in a boxset format. Many of those experiments ended up being some of my favorite stories. It's a shame. Very good points.
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Post by shallacatop on May 25, 2020 20:26:47 GMT
So what would we like to see from these sets? We’ve had mentions of varying story lengths, different TARDIS teams, story arcs and all that jazz. The thought of some three part stories and also six partners and beyond appeals. I think what appeals the most is the variety of TARDIS teams that can be offered, some that probably wouldn’t sell as well as a standalone monthly range release. A Sixth Doctor set consisting of a story apiece for, say, Peri & Frobisher, Constance & Flip and Mel sounds good. Similarly Ace & Hex, Benny and Chris & Roz with Seven. If the £32.50 price tag is anything to go by, then that could offset the risk by effectively offering the “risky” TARDIS team as a free story in monthly range terms. Just some idle thoughts and speculation. I definitely would also love some epic longer stories (but maybe not Doom Coalition style 16 parters). Just imagine Sixie on a 4 hour quest...
If it devolves into 4th Doctor style stories, plots and story-telling, I would be more than a bit disappointed.
I don’t think it’ll devolve into one or the other really. You could easily get a set that consists of a two parter, a six parter and a four parter; something for everyone, especially if they’re different TARDIS teams and an ongoing arc. That’s basically the three selling points mentioned by Big Finish in one set! I certainly think there’s a lot of information they need to provide and their announcement is their usual clumsy affair. It might end up being a solution that resolves a few of the issues people raise, but as usual they tease without thinking these things through entirely.
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Post by polly on May 25, 2020 20:27:22 GMT
So, will these boxsets be numbered (e.g. 5th Doctor Adventures: Volume 1 4x1 hour stories), themed (e.g. 3 loosely connected Dalek stories) subtitled (e.g. 'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi) or just two or three stories with the same Doctor grouped together? Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I'm worried this may make things more confusing following continuity/bringing in new listeners. From the very little we know, it sounds like it’s effectively going to be the same situation as the 4DAs and 8DAs. A boxset of stories featuring a Doctor and particular companions, with effectively 8 episodes to play with. So we might see a six parter and a two parter, four two parters or the classic main range four parters. That sort of reminds me of the "3 and 1" releases we got for a while around the #90-120 mark. I found that a lot of the time you got one story that was markedly stronger than the other and the release overall wound up feeling lopsided. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by shallacatop on May 25, 2020 20:32:20 GMT
So, will these boxsets be numbered (e.g. 5th Doctor Adventures: Volume 1 4x1 hour stories), themed (e.g. 3 loosely connected Dalek stories) subtitled (e.g. 'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi) or just two or three stories with the same Doctor grouped together? Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I'm worried this may make things more confusing following continuity/bringing in new listeners. From the very little we know, it sounds like it’s effectively going to be the same situation as the 4DAs and 8DAs. A boxset of stories featuring a Doctor and particular companions, with effectively 8 episodes to play with. So we might see a six parter and a two parter, four two parters or the classic main range four parters. I personally think it’s more likely to be 12 episodes still and maintain the same level of output that these Doctors usually get. I don’t think the news is necessarily a bad thing, it just needs to be more reassuring and show off the variety they can offer that the monthly range previously restricted / prevented. I’d have personally made the announcement about the retirement of the monthly range, with the mention of further, exciting news to be announced in due course. They’ve pandered too much to new customers without giving them any information or anything to order. First things first is to sort out the existing customers and their subscriptions.
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Post by mark687 on May 25, 2020 20:33:31 GMT
So aside from the possible awkwardness of getting the last 2 releases questions are:
What happens for the rest of 2021
Will boxsets be individual purchases and/or Bundle options
Just how heavy will BF rely on Re-Casts/ Interpretations
Also thinking this was done somehow with an eye on Anniversary's and Licence Extensions
BTW Upthread the idea that this might be option of return for BF Original Companions pre 2005, nice idea but Actor availability aside I can't see that attracting new customers
Regards
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 25, 2020 20:37:56 GMT
Are you saying that Sixie is not attractive? I would definitely love an epic Doom Coalition style Sixie adventure, thank you very much.
Joke aside, I basically agree to the things you have mentioned in this thread, you basically share my exact same thoughts.
Apart from the "this could lessen the character of the 8th Doctor's range, I kinda liked that only McGann had the arc driven boxsets, it felt like a midway point between Classic/New who style storytelling and gave the range its own indentity and importance." I think it could work as well for the others. And Sixie is important too, you know. I like Sixie too just feel that the monthly range format works so well for the 5th-7th Doctors I'm not sure if I like the idea of them changing it, I suppose one way of looking at it is the monthly range stories I view as an extension of Classic Who seasons, the McGann boxsets I view as the more modern style TV seasons we never got with 8, crowbarring every Doctor into epic boxsets just lessens their impact for me. We’ve had 20 plus years of Doctors 5, 6 & 7 audios sticking to their traditional TV episode format, for the most part, so I’m open to those Doctors getting a crack at the multi-box set format telling a really big story. Doesn’t need to be a 16 hour thing, it could be two box sets or one self contained four hour story. I mean if they are going to make a break, then they really need to open things and try different formats and combinations.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 25, 2020 20:38:25 GMT
So aside from the possible awkwardness of getting the last 2 releases questions are: What happens for the rest of 2021 Will boxsets be individual purchases and/or Bundle options Just how heavy will BF rely on Re-Casts/ Interpretations Regards mark687 The rest of 2021 could have boxsets like The Further Adventures of Lucie, Six and Peri and The New New Adventures to fill the gap between the main range and the boxsets.
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Post by aztec on May 25, 2020 20:38:26 GMT
'The 6th Doctor: Revenge Of The Zaarbi' Until now, I did not know I needed this.... Well, why not write it yourself? You have my blessing to run with this idea for the Paul Spragg Opportunity
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Post by nottenst on May 25, 2020 20:41:48 GMT
I just remembered that they aren't shipping CDs right now, so I guess I can postpone my decision to purchase the rest of the monthly range until they start shipping again. That might reduce shipping costs by getting a number in one shipment. I really need to email them ....
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 25, 2020 20:44:20 GMT
So aside from the possible awkwardness of getting the last 2 releases questions are: What happens for the rest of 2021 Will boxsets be individual purchases and/or Bundle options Just how heavy will BF rely on Re-Casts/ Interpretations Regards mark687 How is it awkward Mark? They have already said any subscriber who falls outside the circle of those two releases just need to talk to sales. I’ve already sent that email. I’m sure details about the rest of 2021, bundle options and the like will all be forthcoming in good time. This is basically June and the changeover doesn’t happen until April of next year. As for recasts, if we want full cast audios featuring the first three Doctors, then we need to get used to the idea of characters being played by new actors.
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