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Post by project37 on May 26, 2020 14:48:11 GMT
Sorry if I'd missed this discussed earlier in the thread, but the press release implied that Sadie Miller might be joining Tim Treloar to push the Third Doctor Adventures out into new territory...?
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Post by Digi on May 26, 2020 14:49:45 GMT
Sorry if I'd missed this discussed earlier in the thread, but the press release implied that Sadie Miller might be joining Tim Treloar to push the Third Doctor Adventures out into new territory...? I don't think the press release implied that, but it's not a difficult inference for us to make
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 26, 2020 16:25:28 GMT
It is kind of a convoluted process but I think I have successfully added Main Range 275 to my subscription.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 26, 2020 16:27:41 GMT
And funny how Out of Time gets announced the day after Big Finish's plans are announced.
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Post by mbt66 on May 26, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
And funny how Out of Time gets announced the day after Big Finish's plans are announced. Yes an announcement like this will hopefully put Big Finish back in a lot of their customers good books!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 26, 2020 16:45:52 GMT
And funny how Out of Time gets announced the day after Big Finish's plans are announced. Yes an announcement like this will hopefully put Big Finish back in a lot of their customers good books! The jury's still out.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 26, 2020 17:37:43 GMT
Er, isn't that pretty much the definition of Season 6b anyway?
I always thought the trouble people had with 6B was Jamie (and was it Victoria) traveling with the Doctor again. If not, then I apologize. The only 6B I've seen/heard/read is The two Doctors. No problem. I'll run through it for you: 1) In the "TV Comic" strip published between "The War Games" and "Spearhead from Space", the second Doctor is exiled to Earth but it takes a while for the Time Lords (in the form of scarecrows) to cause him to regenerate. 2) In "The Five Doctors", the second Doctor remembers the events of "The War Games" as something that happened in the past, and has some control over the TARDIS 3) In "The Two Doctors", the second Doctor has some control over his TARDIS and openly discusses the Time Lords with Jamie, even tho' Jamie hadn't heard of them in "The War Games". Also, they both look older. Victoria is with them but has been dropped off temporarily. 4) An earlier run of "TV Comic" had the second Doctor dropping off John and Gillian, and then going to pick up Jamie (whom it was established he'd previously travelled with). 5) In the DWM strip "The World Shapers" an elderly Jamie revealed to the sixth Doctor that he never forgot his adventures in space because the second Doctor had previously taught him techniques to stop people meddling with his memories. So, the theory developed - and was canonised by Terrance Dicks in his novel "Players" - that the second Doctor was set to work by the Gallifreyan Celestial Intervention Agency after his trial but before his regeneration. In "World Game", the Time Lords agree to lend him Jamie and meddle with the latter's memory to make him think Victoria still travels with him (in a scene that, coupled with some elements of "Warmonger", makes me think the BBC Books editorial team were letting Dicks's drafts through without reviewing his consistency or turn of phrase. Against the Season 6b theory is the Big Finish audio "The Black Hole", which features the second Doctor, Jamie and Victoria in their original run of adventures and is designed to fit around "The Two Doctors". However, my theory is that actually it doesn't, and the unseen adventure purporting to be "The Two Doctors" is actually the second Doctor's original visit to the space station mentioned as having happened previously in the televised story.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 26, 2020 17:41:19 GMT
6B, 5B. All this stuff baffles me lol Somebody was once insisting there was a Season somethingelseB. Can't remember why, I think it might have been trying to fit "Dimensions in Time" into the fourth Doctor run. The question is, do we need a Season 2b? Or not 2b?
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Post by pazzer on May 26, 2020 18:27:41 GMT
Thinking about it some more if Big Finish think this move will attract new customers then it can only be a good thing. Just hope they don't assume all exisiting customers will be onboard and ignore any concerns.
The biggest hurdle for me getting into Big Finish wasn't where do I start. It was do I like audio drama. A cheap main range title quickly answered that and then I jumped into the 8DA. Which had been recommended on the forum.
I find the updated website a pain to navigate, would be nice if they added pages. Which has lead to me spending less and can see the move to box sets doing the same.
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Post by slithe on May 26, 2020 19:32:56 GMT
Personally, I am a little sad that this is happening... I've been with the MR since the very beginning in 1999 and will always have a special place for that range. We forget that for many, many years the MR was the only 'new' Doctor Who that was being produced and the quality of the stories (especially the initial 50 in particular) was a sad reminder of that the show *could* have been with more focus on the story telling and characterisation. In many ways, the MR was the antidote to some of the worst excesses of the JNT era and the Sawardian Universe (especially with Sixie).
It does seem a rather strange number to end on 275. I would have thought they might have gone for 300, but that's a while off yet I suppose.
It will be interesting to see how the box set approach and individual Doctor ranges go, especially with subscriptions. I personally might only subscribe to 5 and 6, based on the current quality of the MR stories. However, if the new approach allows better quality - the Seventh Doctor NA Boxset being a particular highlight - then this might be a good thing. I doubt we will actually lose anything as the same number of stories will be available. In fact, we might actually be able to get more and a range of arcs - for example, Sixie and Peri as well as Sixie, Connie and Flip.
I hope it goes well and I wish BF luck. It is sad that the MR is ending, but to quote the Doctor - 'it's far from being all over...'
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 23:38:04 GMT
I hope you're right in your forecast. I would agree the 3 questions you ask are probably the most crucial and that information was not in the announcement so it is hard to form a view on the changes. The answers to those questions will depend how I feel about those changes. For me format is the most important. I will be very miffed if it goes to NuWho style 60 minute episodes - I can cope with the occasional 2 or 6 parter, but overall I do like my traditional four parters!
I'm not really sure what to make of the 6B comment - given that BF has already gone with the alternate 5B theory in The Black Hole it is hard to see how they make this work. Plus, 6B was one of Magnus Magister's pet hates, we don't want to attract him back under any circumstances.
While it’s a bit harder to reconsile The Two Doctors with Season 6B if you include The Black Hole in your canon, there’s still evidence of it in The Five Doctors where the Doctor is somehow aware of Jamie and Zoe’s mind wipe even if the only possible way he could have known that is if it takes place after his trial. It’s still a viable theory in my opinion. And, I mean, if Human Nature and Shada can both happen twice (or three times if you consider the Shada novelization different enough to count) then who’s to say Dastari didn’t receive more than one visit from the Second Doctor to solve the exact same problem? It seems like Big Finish is a lot more willing to contradict other media these days. A Life of Crime directly contradicts the Virgin New Adventures, which are canon to Big Finish to some extent; The Deathboat and the Lifeboat contradicts previous stories about what happened to the Master post-TV movie, including a previous Big Finish story; The Sixth Doctor’s Last Advenure contradicts all the previous media that purported to show the Sixth Doctor’s final adventure. I wouldn’t put it past Big Finish to intentionally contradict The Black Hole sometime in the future for the sheer fun of it and to make us continuity nerds froth from the mouth! We'd be so bored otherwise! The contradiction's part of the fun. I do like the idea that canonically, it took no less than three separate attempts to make the Sixth Doctor's death stick. An incarnation who just wouldn't go lying down.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 9:10:24 GMT
I know they've also announced that we can now pre-order the 3-release subscription (MR 271-273), but I wonder why they haven't applied this to previous releases dating back to MR 101 Absolution?
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Post by mbt66 on May 27, 2020 9:18:33 GMT
I haven’t subscribed to the monthly range for a long time. I have just looked it up and was surprised to find that my last subscription ended in September 2015 just when Constance Clarke was starting.
As this will be, in effect, a reboot for the Doctors I would expect that we will get either television or completely new companions going forward. So I would expect that the current arc with Flip and Constance will be completed before the main range ends.
Are there other threads to be tied up?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 27, 2020 10:32:48 GMT
When have BF ever just tied something up? I can’t see it happening myself. They can do a soft reboot without having to boot everyone out of the TARDIS. It’d be one thing if there was a long ongoing plot arc or something that’s not very accessible but there’s not.
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Post by lidar2 on May 27, 2020 10:47:54 GMT
I haven’t subscribed to the monthly range for a long time. I have just looked it up and was surprised to find that my last subscription ended in September 2015 just when Constance Clarke was starting. As this will be, in effect, a reboot for the Doctors I would expect that we will get either television or completely new companions going forward. So I would expect that the current arc with Flip and Constance will be completed before the main range ends. Are there other threads to be tied up? On the one hand I don't want Flip/Constance to leave as I like them, but if the "reboot" means that 5/6/7 lose a lot of baggage from the MR and they are leaving, then I hope they get a proper exit rather than simply disappearing and being forgotten about.
Other MR companions that lack a full joining and/or leaving story (although some of those listed below have been covered in flashback scenes) Evelyn (leaving covered in a flashback) Mathew Sharpe (joining covered in a flashback) Frobisher Older Peri Marc Mags Flip (first time round) Samson and Gemma (departure covered in a flashback) Mary Shelly Benny (with 8)
Of the above we know the Older Peri arc is moving to boxsets, but aside from that I would say that only the more recent ones (Marc, Flip/Constance and Mags) have a realistic chance of either being tied up before release 275 or continuing into the new era.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 27, 2020 10:55:35 GMT
I haven’t subscribed to the monthly range for a long time. I have just looked it up and was surprised to find that my last subscription ended in September 2015 just when Constance Clarke was starting. As this will be, in effect, a reboot for the Doctors I would expect that we will get either television or completely new companions going forward. So I would expect that the current arc with Flip and Constance will be completed before the main range ends. Are there other threads to be tied up? On the one hand I don't want Flip/Constance to leave as I like them, but if the "reboot" means that 5/6/7 lose a lot of baggage from the MR and they are leaving, then I hope they get a proper exit rather than simply disappearing and being forgotten about.
Other MR companions that lack a full joining and/or leaving story (although some of those listed below have been covered in flashback scenes) Evelyn (leaving covered in a flashback) Mathew Sharpe (joining covered in a flashback) Frobisher Older Peri Marc Mags Flip (first time round) Samson and Gemma (departure covered in a flashback) Mary Shelly Benny (with 8)
Of the above we know the Older Peri arc is moving to boxsets, but aside from that I would say that only the more recent ones (Marc, Flip/Constance and Mags) have a realistic chance of either being tied up before release 275 or continuing into the new era.
Add Klein and Will to that list. Obviously Klein popped up again in Warlock’s Cross clearly back on Earth working for UNIT again but they kind of just left those adventures with Will on a cliffhanger.
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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2020 11:03:09 GMT
When have BF ever just tied something up? I can’t see it happening myself. They can do a soft reboot without having to boot everyone out of the TARDIS. It’d be one thing if there was a long ongoing plot arc or something that’s not very accessible but there’s not. It dose seem a bold choice that among the last 10 MRs you've got stories expanding BFs latest original Companion and revisiting one that's got the most complex story Arc. Regards mark687
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Post by antartiks on May 27, 2020 11:06:27 GMT
By the way, isn't Hex the oldest serving original BF companion at this point ? I don't know if he's had more episodes than Evelyn or Liv but he's been here for years now.
Although, Charley also comes back from time to time.
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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2020 11:11:50 GMT
By the way, isn't Hex the oldest serving original BF companion at this point ? I don't know if he's had more episodes than Evelyn or Liv but he's been here for years now. Although, Charley also comes back from time to time. In real tine its Charley 20 Years next January Hex is Sweet Sixteen next Month Regards mark687
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Post by antartiks on May 27, 2020 11:22:49 GMT
By the way, isn't Hex the oldest serving original BF companion at this point ? I don't know if he's had more episodes than Evelyn or Liv but he's been here for years now. Although, Charley also comes back from time to time. In real tine its Charley 20 Years next January Hex is Sweet Sixteen next Month Regards mark687 Wow I hadn't realised The Harvest was released so long ago. How time flies.
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