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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 6:24:52 GMT
So where is everyone's hype mostly aimed for the end of this year.
Ie. What's interesting you more:
Time Lord Victorious
Or
Revolution of the Daleks
For me it's a no brainer, TLV!
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 29, 2020 7:40:16 GMT
I would not really call myself "hyped". I am interested in the TLV and have pre-ordered the comics, books and BF stuff. But I am much more excited about the re-match between 8 and the War Master and the new River Song stories, to be honest.
As for the New Years Special... since I was not really too bought by the recent ones, I do not know. And it is Daleks again. Never been too much of a fan. I will get it, for sure, but I am far from excited about it.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 8:21:11 GMT
Time Lord Victorious doesn't really interest me & although I'm bored of daleks I'm most hyper about seeing 13 again so it has to be Revolution of the Daleks.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 9:43:08 GMT
TLV but aside from BF and DWM I wont make it a mission to "catch them all"
But the timing and effort behind this really intrigue me. For years they could've something like this but they didn't, now they have and they've gone back and used that popular representation of the show to do it.
Has and did Moffatt's and Chibnall's versions dented the selling power of the Brand so the earning power must be restored by the RTD legacy ASAP cause this year isn't even a historical programme Anniversary proper
Also just how big would've it have been had the World stayed "Normal"?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 10:28:57 GMT
Has Chibnall's version dented the selling power of the Brand so the earning power must be restored by the RTD legacy ASAP cause this year isn't even a historical programme Anniversary propermark687 Wow. Bit of a leap there to make that suggestion.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 10:42:23 GMT
Has Chibnall's version dented the selling power of the Brand so the earning power must be restored by the RTD legacy ASAP cause this year isn't even a historical programme Anniversary propermark687 Wow. Bit of a leap there to make that suggestion. Well the 8th. 9th,1Oth Era are fronting it not the 13th? In effect TLV is a huge marketing exercise and the the current version of the show is not being represented how's that a leap? The RTD Era was a Merchandise Selling Giant. Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 12:16:51 GMT
Wow. Bit of a leap there to make that suggestion. Well the 8th. 9th,1Oth Era are fronting it not the 13th? In effect TLV is a huge marketing exercise and the the current version of the show is not being represented how's that a leap? The RTD Era was a Merchandise Selling Giant. Regards mark687 Nor is the 12th. Also maybe Chibbers doesn't want the current Doctor, his show, to be represented in other media like this.
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Post by project37 on Jun 29, 2020 12:20:08 GMT
Has Chibnall's version dented the selling power of the Brand so the earning power must be restored by the RTD legacy ASAP cause this year isn't even a historical programme Anniversary proper
It's a marketing exercise to take advantage of available licenses, do some cross-promotion of other Doctor Who-branded entertainment and hopefully telling some fun and interesting stories along the way. None of us are privy to the contracts involved as to what can/can't be used. No 11th/12th Doctors, but yeah man, go ahead and grind your Chibnall axe if it makes you feel better.
Anyway.
I'm excited about both, although I'll probably wait for reviews before checking out the BF TLV stuff. Titan DW comics tend to be released on Hoopla on the same day they're put on sale, so I'll check them out that way.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 12:44:29 GMT
Has Chibnall's version dented the selling power of the Brand so the earning power must be restored by the RTD legacy ASAP cause this year isn't even a historical programme Anniversary proper
It's a marketing exercise to take advantage of available licenses, do some cross-promotion of other Doctor Who-branded entertainment and hopefully telling some fun and interesting stories along the way. None of us are privy to the contracts involved as to what can/can't be used. No 11th/12th Doctors, but yeah man, go ahead and grind your Chibnall axe if it makes you feel better.
Anyway.
I'm excited about both, although I'll probably wait for reviews before checking out the BF TLV stuff. Titan DW comics tend to be released on Hoopla on the same day they're put on sale, so I'll check them out that way.
I beg your Pardon! TLV is purely designed to get new merchandise out there, now apart from BF i think everyone else involved can sell current TV Doctor Merch so why have they gone back to RTD Era it sells, I've no axe to grind apart from querying why they've gone back to that point instead of anything later. Regards mark687
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Post by smith11 on Jun 29, 2020 12:45:28 GMT
Wow. Bit of a leap there to make that suggestion. Well the 8th. 9th,1Oth Era are fronting it not the 13th? In effect TLV is a huge marketing exercise and the the current version of the show is not being represented how's that a leap? The RTD Era was a Merchandise Selling Giant. Regards mark687 But didn’t someone say that it was so all licence holder could take part in the project as some (like big finish) can’t get a license for the 13th Doctor era yet. And surely they would use 10, 11 and 12 if they are seeking to use the more popular and profitable doctors. Sorry to be blunt, I just feel you are making quite an unreasonable jump there based on little evidence.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 12:53:30 GMT
I Apologise if I caused offence it was not my intent but I still find, the timing, effort and creative direction of the endeavour intriguing.
Regards
mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 13:50:33 GMT
I Apologise if I caused offence it was not my intent but I still find, the timing, effort and creative direction of the endeavour intriguing. Regards mark687 I think it's the fact you specifically critique the Chibnall era making negative claims about it as the reason for 13's absence but say nothing about the non-appearance of the 12th Doctor & come to think of it, the 11th!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 29, 2020 13:54:39 GMT
I don't think the point needs to be overthought. TLV is like any sort of big multimedia-crossover event - designed to push merch and cash in on nostalgia from older parts of a franchise (RTD's era is more than 10 years old, so it getting front and center makes sense. The kids then are adults now. I don't think there's any slighting of Moffat or Chib going on).
And if you want to argue more of a narrative point, 12 and 13's eras were about moving beyond the Time War, so having them in a story that links back to that trauma doesn't make a great amount of sense.
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Post by smith11 on Jun 29, 2020 14:01:17 GMT
I Apologise if I caused offence it was not my intent but I still find, the timing, effort and creative direction of the endeavour intriguing. Regards mark687 No apology required my man. Sorry reading back my post I do come across a bit harsh. I just think it’s one of those things where the doctors they have picked suit the story better. But your absolutely entitled to your opinions and intrigue. No bad feelings 😊
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Post by timegirl on Jun 29, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
I don't think the point needs to be overthought. TLV is like any sort of big multimedia-crossover event - designed to push merch and cash in on nostalgia from older parts of a franchise (RTD's era is more than 10 years old, so it getting front and center makes sense. The kids then are adults now. I don't think there's any slighting of Moffat or Chib going on).
And if you want to argue more of a narrative point, 12 and 13's eras were about moving beyond the Time War, so having them in a story that links back to that trauma doesn't make a great amount of sense. Maybe they could do a big 12 and 13 crossover after TLV since they are both the two Doctors who who have moved beyond the time war trauma 🤔😊
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 29, 2020 14:11:01 GMT
I don't think there's anything malicious intended by anyone, nor is there any suspect reasoning behind the exclusion of Jodie's Doctor. I must admit I was surprised myself that she's not involved, as such an ambitious project would normally have the current Doctor lead it, but ultimately these sort of requests have to go through the production team of the show and be approved in order to be realised.
Personally, I am excited for a lot of things Doctor Who in the last quarter of the year. Revolution of the Daleks, Time Lord Victorious, The War Master, The Tenth Doctor & River Song, any future releases of The Collection and I'm sure much more that is unannounced. It's a great time to be a fan, even without a new series on screen!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:11:23 GMT
Also just how big would've it have been had the World stayed "Normal"? Regards mark687 I've always personally considered the Shalka Doctor the Doctor whom 8 was originally supposed to regenerate into had the Time War not occurred.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 29, 2020 14:27:56 GMT
I’m not exactly hyped by TLV - more very intrigued. I’ll probably only be following the audios, maybe picking up a few comics or books if I hear good things, and so far there hasn’t been anything especially eye-catching yet besides the short trips with the Master.
I’d say I’m more excited about the TV special between the two. The Timeless Child arc has left me with so many questions, not to mention that certain unresolved cameo in Fugitive of the Judoon. I’m wondering if a little bit of that will be addressed in Revolution. I’m hopeful we’ll even get a sense for what direction Series 13 might be going in. At the very least we’ll get a resolution to the cliffhanger we’ve been left on, which I’m excited for.
I’m probably most excited for the River Song and War Master stories coming later this year. The former has been on my wishlist for a very long time and it’s just a relief to hear we’re not only going to have those four boxsets of one of the greatest Masters in the entire franchise.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 29, 2020 14:28:00 GMT
I think the reason it's old Doctors in TLV is because it's less work for the BBC to clear all the stories etc than it would be for the current incarnation
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Post by project37 on Jun 29, 2020 14:57:18 GMT
I Apologise if I caused offence it was not my intent but I still find, the timing, effort and creative direction of the endeavour intriguing. Regards mark687 No worries. If you're not vibing with what Chibnall is doing, then fair enough. Personally I just found it unnecessary to bring it up mainly to throw a negative light onto an otherwise innocuous marketing/storytelling campaign.
Again, we don't know the licensing agreements and restrictions. From the very beginning, Chibnall has clearly gone into this with a sense of purpose behind the scenes: A wider range of new creative voices (writers, directors, even the music), style and format changes, and even licensed material. It's just as easy to speculate that Big Finish, Titan Comics, BBC Books, etc. are playing the toys available to them in the toybox. Perhaps Chibnall doesn't want to have their storytelling inadvertently conflict or dilute his vision for the series. None of us know. To speculate that leaving out the 13th Doctor is solely down to a lack of appeal and fear of financial catastrophe is unnecessary, ridiculous, and also off-putting to those that genuinely enjoyed Series 11 and 12 (including me). Especially when you left out Moffat's 11th and 12th Doctors in your observation of timing, effort, and creative direction.
I know you didn't mean offense; it just came off in a way that you didn't intend. It's all good. I hope you're otherwise having a good week so far.
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