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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 15:04:24 GMT
Revolution of the Daleks for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 15:17:36 GMT
I Apologise if I caused offence it was not my intent but I still find, the timing, effort and creative direction of the endeavour intriguing. Regards mark687 No worries. If you're not vibing with what Chibnall is doing, then fair enough. Personally I just found it unnecessary to bring it up mainly to throw a negative light onto an otherwise innocuous marketing/storytelling campaign.
Again, we don't know the licensing agreements and restrictions. From the very beginning, Chibnall has clearly gone into this with a sense of purpose behind the scenes: A wider range of new creative voices (writers, directors, even the music), style and format changes, and even licensed material. It's just as easy to speculate that Big Finish, Titan Comics, BBC Books, etc. are playing the toys available to them in the toybox. Perhaps Chibnall doesn't want to have their storytelling inadvertently conflict or dilute his vision for the series. None of us know. To speculate that leaving out the 13th Doctor is solely down to a lack of appeal and fear of financial catastrophe is unnecessary, ridiculous, and also off-putting to those that genuinely enjoyed Series 11 and 12 (including me). Especially when you left out Moffat's 11th and 12th Doctors in your observation of timing, effort, and creative direction.
I know you didn't mean offense; it just came off in a way that you didn't intend. It's all good. I hope you're otherwise having a good week so far.  I made a comment but then deleted it after amends were made. However, I'd like to point out, as people keep overlooking, Mark said RTD legacy... That doesn't include 11-12. RTD = 9-10 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 15:22:27 GMT
No worries. If you're not vibing with what Chibnall is doing, then fair enough. Personally I just found it unnecessary to bring it up mainly to throw a negative light onto an otherwise innocuous marketing/storytelling campaign.
Again, we don't know the licensing agreements and restrictions. From the very beginning, Chibnall has clearly gone into this with a sense of purpose behind the scenes: A wider range of new creative voices (writers, directors, even the music), style and format changes, and even licensed material. It's just as easy to speculate that Big Finish, Titan Comics, BBC Books, etc. are playing the toys available to them in the toybox. Perhaps Chibnall doesn't want to have their storytelling inadvertently conflict or dilute his vision for the series. None of us know. To speculate that leaving out the 13th Doctor is solely down to a lack of appeal and fear of financial catastrophe is unnecessary, ridiculous, and also off-putting to those that genuinely enjoyed Series 11 and 12 (including me). Especially when you left out Moffat's 11th and 12th Doctors in your observation of timing, effort, and creative direction.
I know you didn't mean offense; it just came off in a way that you didn't intend. It's all good. I hope you're otherwise having a good week so far. I made a comment but then deleted it after amends were made. However, I'd like to point out, as people keep overlooking, Mark said RTD legacy... That doesn't include 11-12. RTD = 9-10 I didn't overlook that, in fact I queried why he would choose to focus on the Chibnall era as apparently explicitly having "dented the selling power of the Brand" & yet say nothing about the lack of 11 & 12. Its like choosing to ignore certain elements that don't fit a certain agenda. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 15:29:04 GMT
I made a comment but then deleted it after amends were made. However, I'd like to point out, as people keep overlooking, Mark said RTD legacy... That doesn't include 11-12. RTD = 9-10 I didn't overlook that, in fact I queried why he would choose to focus on the Chibnall era as apparently explicitly having "dented the selling power of the Brand" & yet say nothing about the lack of 11 & 12. Its like choosing to ignore certain elements that don't fit a certain agenda. RTD era was a bigger era. 2 successful spin offs, co-production with the CBC (thus better promotion in Canada, and then into America). Just my thoughts. |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 15:38:15 GMT
I made a comment but then deleted it after amends were made. However, I'd like to point out, as people keep overlooking, Mark said RTD legacy... That doesn't include 11-12. RTD = 9-10 I didn't overlook that, in fact I queried why he would choose to focus on the Chibnall era as apparently explicitly having "dented the selling power of the Brand" & yet say nothing about the lack of 11 & 12. Its like choosing to ignore certain elements that don't fit a certain agenda. But they have haven't they? They've deliberate focused on the RTD Era because they know it will sell so in that respect there is an agenda, my other point as i keep saying was the the timing and the sheer number of commercial partners involved. Regards mark687 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 15:43:36 GMT
I didn't overlook that, in fact I queried why he would choose to focus on the Chibnall era as apparently explicitly having "dented the selling power of the Brand" & yet say nothing about the lack of 11 & 12. Its like choosing to ignore certain elements that don't fit a certain agenda. But they have haven't they? They've deliberate focused on the RTD Era because they know it will sell so in that respect there is an agenda, my other point as i keep saying was the the timing and the sheer number of commercial partners involved. Regards mark687 8 isn't part of the RTD era. & my point still stands, you singled out Chibnall in a negative way but say nothing so specific about Steven Moffat or the exclusion of 11 & 12. |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 29, 2020 15:44:45 GMT
I didn't overlook that, in fact I queried why he would choose to focus on the Chibnall era as apparently explicitly having "dented the selling power of the Brand" & yet say nothing about the lack of 11 & 12. Its like choosing to ignore certain elements that don't fit a certain agenda. RTD era was a bigger era. 2 successful spin offs, co-production with the CBC (thus better promotion in Canada, and then into America). Just my thoughts. True, regardless of what one may thing about Tennant that era specifically gave huge international appeal for the show. But my point still stands. |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2020 15:52:34 GMT
Edited my original Post to include the Moffatt Era in my assumption in the interest of fairness.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 29, 2020 16:13:37 GMT
I am excited for any new Doctor Who content coming out this year (for one thing it gives me something to look forward to during this crazy year!)
Revolution of the Daleks will be good because we will have some new Who tv content 😊during what will be a long hiatus for tv episodes due to Covid otherwise! Plus I have a feeling Jack and possibly the fugitiveDoctor will be back for this special which is exciting 😀
TLV I am curious about as it sounds pretty epic 😃yes it it is pretty RTD nostalgia driven and yes I would have liked it better if they included the Moffat era in as well (especially and obviously my favorite 12), but 8 and the RTD eras are very good ones and any new Doctor Who content is always welcome 😊 I will probably focus mostly on the big finish releases because doing everything would be expensive but I have good feelings about them😊
So I am looking forward to all of it!😊
Side note: would love it if we got some Moffat era nostalgia releases sometime soon! Preferably the later half (hint, hint😉)!
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Post by constonks on Jun 29, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
TLV is a super cool idea - I've wanted them to do a massive multimedia crossover ever since I got into the massive multimedia side of Doctor Who!
As for Revolution of the Daleks, it's more TV Who. I always want more TV Who. We don't get as much these days, which makes it all the more precious. I'll be sad when Jodie inevitably leaves and we think "aww wouldn't it have been nice if she'd had a 2019 season" and things like that (as with Capaldi).
Basically what I'm saying is: Both!
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Post by timegirl on Jun 29, 2020 17:25:21 GMT
TLV is a super cool idea - I've wanted them to do a massive multimedia crossover ever since I got into the massive multimedia side of Doctor Who! As for Revolution of the Daleks, it's more TV Who. I always want more TV Who. We don't get as much these days, which makes it all the more precious. I'll be sad when Jodie inevitably leaves and we think "aww wouldn't it have been nice if she'd had a 2019 season" and things like that (as with Capaldi). Basically what I'm saying is: Both! Completely agree with you!😊 |
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Post by muckypup on Jun 29, 2020 17:57:41 GMT
personally I'm not that excited by either, apart from the BF stuff, doubt i will buy anything else in the event.
it does show me that the lack of a regular tv show on screen each year is starting to hurt the licence-ies (sorry have no idea how to spell this...lol) forcing a rethink on merchandising, and its more telling that its not tie up with the current incarnation.
TLV is a good idea to keep interest and setting it in the golden age of the doctor who renascence is perfect to peak interest
but more glad to to hopefully witness a grisly end to graham (bradley walsh is the most annoying man in the universe....lol)
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Post by timegirl on Jun 29, 2020 18:14:46 GMT
personally I'm not that excited by either, apart from the BF stuff, doubt i will buy anything else in the event. it does show me that the lack of a regular tv show on screen each year is starting to hurt the licence-ies (sorry have no idea how to spell this...lol) forcing a rethink on merchandising, and its more telling that its not tie up with the current incarnation. TLV is a good idea to keep interest and setting it in the golden age of the doctor who renascence is perfect to peak interest but more glad to to hopefully witness a grisly end to graham (bradley walsh is the most annoying man in the universe....lol) No not Graham, he’s lovely! He deserves a happy ending (and a BF spin-off)! |
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 29, 2020 18:15:34 GMT
Silly question.
But are we absolutely sure yet that 13 is not involved in TLV in any way?
Has everything already been announced?
Maybe she will make a surprise appearance?
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Post by elkawho on Jun 30, 2020 1:06:49 GMT
I'm looking forward to TLV. I was very excited to see the immersive theater experience even before I knew it was part of an multimedia event, but now it looks like I most likely won't be seeing it till next year. Still excited, although longer to wait.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 30, 2020 1:23:25 GMT
Two different things. I'm buying into the BF parts of TLV and possibly the novel aspects of it but until I have a better handle on how the event is being structured, I don't know. I think Time Lord Victorious is a very specific callback to the 10th Doctor, so it makes sense that mostly RTD era elements are at play. I guess one can make the case with Big Finish filling in spaces around the Time War that bringing the 8th Doctor in makes sense...especially since JH & CE are either no longer with us or unwilling to return do the part, so this way you have two Doctors you can record with. I don't know why the Moffat or Chibnall eras would be represented at all in this. The Christmas Special is, well, the Christmas Special and that is its own thing, with its own press machine. So short answer is I'm more curious about Time Lord Victorious than I am anticipating it while the Christmas Special is something I'm looking forward to and hopeful that it builds upon the mostly excellent series 12.
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Post by constonks on Jun 30, 2020 2:25:14 GMT
I think Time Lord Victorious is a very specific callback to the 10th Doctor, so it makes sense that mostly RTD era elements are at play. The exclusion of any Doctor after Tennant might just be a "story first" thing - they wanted Doctor vs. Doctor and figured the best way to do that was to expand on the idea of the "Time Lord Victorious". I think it makes a lot more sense to have past incarnations horrified by their potential future self, as his actions and personality are completely unknown to them. So they're treating it like a multi-Doctor story as if it had been made in 2009. They've even put it after The Waters of Mars on the BBC website story timeline. Having Eight being the earliest Doctor gives them the chance to use the Time War as a setting/motivator for all of the Doctors present, without memory wipes or any such thing. And as for the lack of the War Doctor... at that time in the (Ninth/Tenth) Doctor's life, he despised the War Doctor so much that he didn't even count him as a Doctor. (And really the War Doctor is a post-Ten element of the show, anyway...) |
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