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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 4, 2020 1:04:57 GMT
NuWho goes into unabashed gothic pastiche, and then some (Xiaolin scots in one, evil Peel in the other), but which tickles your dark fancy more?
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 4, 2020 6:30:12 GMT
Tooth & Claw is my favourite Doctor Who story ever, so it’s a clear win. I adore The Crimson Horror too, though. I think they’re both underrated stories and perfect slices of Doctor Who.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 4, 2020 10:15:11 GMT
Of the two its Definitely Tooth and Claw. Its just so good
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Post by mark687 on Jul 4, 2020 10:28:10 GMT
Tough one.
Crimson Paternoster Gang Dianna Rigg, Rachel Sterling, the right blend of silly and sincere.
Tooth and Claw is the start of a really strong trio of Eps though. Its only the fact the Kung Fu monks don't do more and Rose's obsession to get "The Phrase" said that don't land.
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Post by number13 on Jul 4, 2020 12:35:14 GMT
The Crimson Horror for me.
Great fun in Victorian Gothic "London-Up-North" (the sets and ambience still look and feel like Holmesian London to me and the locations are all Wales anyway!) and in many ways (though we didn't know it at the time) it's the pilot adventure for 'The Paternoster Gang' series we're now enjoying thanks to BF, as a story where they take the lead and the Doctor appears later as almost a guest character. Oh yes, and it guest stars "Mrs. Peel" and has heaps of 'Avengers' nods! 
(We were not amused by Rose's royal antics in 'Tooth and Claw', more suited to a night out at 'The Queen Vic' than a meeting with Queen Vic!  ) |
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Post by timegirl on Jul 4, 2020 12:52:14 GMT
I have seen Tooth and Claw more times than Crimson Horror but like both a lot. Maybe Crimson Horror because I think the story is a bit stronger and I like that it’s a Paternoster Gang story set outside of London in Victorian Yorkshire🤔😊I feel like Crimson Horror is even more offbeat and gothic than Tooth and Claw as well which I like💀🤔😊 I like Tooth and Claw a lot to with 10 doing a Scottish accent and the origin of Torchwood. Although the Kung fu monks always seemed a bit random to me and the werewolf cgi is a bit dodgy. They are both good though 😊
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 4, 2020 13:05:28 GMT
Add a poll!
I vote for The Crimson Horror.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 4, 2020 13:59:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 14:26:55 GMT
The Crimson Horror is the better story for me...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 14:46:14 GMT
I cannot remember much of the Crimson Horror, only having watched it on transmission, whereas Tooth & Claw was one I re-watched at least once. Both were good, that is not disputed. Of Tooth & Claw, I thought it notable that my Brother, who is strictly Tom Baker era Doctor Who, said at the time that he and his wife watched it and thought it was pretty decent for its early evening time slot as a bit of Gothic. Given the fact that she was definitely a 'not-we' and heavily influenced his tastes, it was praise indeed for Nu-Who at the time that they were impressed enough to mention that they watched it of their own accord and felt it time well spent. And I guess they were right. Always seek a lay persons opinion if you have the opportunity, eh? |
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Post by pazzer on Jul 4, 2020 19:45:09 GMT
Struggling to remember much about The Crimson Horror. On the other hand Tooth and Claw while enjoyable enough didn't quite work for me. Probably as was still missing 9 and getting used to 10.
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Post by grinch on Jul 4, 2020 20:57:11 GMT
Tooth and Claw definitely.
While I did enjoy the Crimson Horror, it always struck me as being more like an episode of a potential Paternoster Gang spin off series with the Doctor and Clara just being relegated to cameos. The wonderfully villainous performance of Dame Diana Rigg I think is perhaps the most memorable part of it in any case.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 5, 2020 11:59:43 GMT
Comments about Rose trying to get Queen Victoria to say “I am not amused” are interesting. It’s not meant to stick. It’s all about the ego of her and the Doctor. It causes Victoria to create Torchwood, which is what ultimately causes their downfall and separation.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 5, 2020 12:43:41 GMT
Comments about Rose trying to get Queen Victoria to say “I am not amused” are interesting. It’s not meant to stick. It’s all about the ego of her and the Doctor. It causes Victoria to create Torchwood, which is what ultimately causes their downfall and separation. i take another view on that from Vic's POV. Her Al knew all about the Wolf to design the trap, then someone else comes along to spring it. Plus they see her get scratched, so then there's an added possibility they could spread scandal. So its fear of unknown plus dealing with a potential threat to her position. Regards mark687 |
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Post by agentten on Jul 6, 2020 6:46:52 GMT
Tooth and Claw for me. It has wonderful atmosphere and is tremendous fun to watch.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 6, 2020 12:21:14 GMT
Hello again.
Much as I love the glorious daftness that is The Crimson Horror. Those stellar performances from Dame Diana Rigg and Rachel Stirling make this very enjoyable.
Tooth and Claw just has this really Gothic atmosphere. The moments when the werewolf in its human form talking to Rose are truly creepy. Pauline Collins is great as Queen Victoria and her delivery of the episodes final moments is really venemous.
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Post by polly on Jul 6, 2020 19:15:23 GMT
I'll go with Tooth and Claw. It's a fun monster episode and it's the first time I remember Ten and Rose really firing on all cylinders as a team. Not a favorite of mine, but I'd certainly never skip it either.
I can't really enjoy Crimson Horror. The Paternoster Gang really does not agree with me. I find them very irritating, and at the time this episode aired, the quirks of the Moffat era had begun to feel like self indulgence. So whatever other qualities it may have to offer, it's dragged down by the sheer annoyance factor.
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