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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 8, 2020 1:44:12 GMT
On Pure speculation I believe the next volume of Comic Strip adaptations will be The 8th Doctor DWM strips Since next year 2021 will be the 20th anniversary of Paul joining Big Finish they would do something special for him
Nick Briggs in a reply to a email in a vortex magazine asking if Izzy or Fitz would have more stories showed particular interest in Izzy and also said that he has talked to Alan Barnes (not sure if the later part was in the podcast though)
Secondly the actress playing Izzy has recently been recording for 8th Doctor Time War volume 1 (as stated on the big finish purchase page) and given that big finish does bulk recording in advance perhaps they got Jemma to record more?
Of course I might be clutching at straws but what do you think? Is it possible we will be getting more Izzy stories?
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Post by Digi on Jul 8, 2020 2:00:57 GMT
Comic Strip Adaptations are dead, unfortunately.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 8, 2020 2:23:54 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range?
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Post by Jeedai on Jul 8, 2020 4:08:09 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? Adding to that, hasnt McGann stated a disinterest in returning to the Eighth Doctor's early, more bubbly days?
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 8, 2020 9:04:55 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? Adding to that, hasnt McGann stated a disinterest in returning to the Eighth Doctor's early, more bubbly days? Thats Odd considering he already returned twice with The Light at the End and the further adventures of lucie miller..
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Post by aztec on Jul 8, 2020 9:28:20 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? I'm still surprised they decided to do comic adaptations, as the Novel Adaptations were cancelled due to low sales (I haven't listened to the 4th Doctor comic set, but I'd imagine that adapting comics-a very visual method of storytelling, into audio was harder, trying to avoid the 'say what you see' dialogue), not sure why they felt these would sell better (its sad they didn't though, if Tom Baker can't shift a range then what can?). As for needing another 8th Doctor range...it's not a case of needing, it's a case of wanting and not complaining when they are announced (can never get enough 8th Doctor on audio i.m.o)
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Post by aztec on Jul 8, 2020 9:34:33 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? Adding to that, hasnt McGann stated a disinterest in returning to the Eighth Doctor's early, more bubbly days? I wonder if Briggs and co feel the same? More so even that Colin or Sylvester, McGann is the 'Big Finish' Doctor with practically no constraints on developing his character or exploring new styles of storytelling, Big Finish have near complete freedom to develop his doctor, and it makes sense from a marketing point of view to focus on pushing this development (The Time War sets seem to be very popular) and the 'current' storylines, I've noticed they are putting in more connections/references to New Who in the 8th Doctor boxsets (not complaining though!) and he acts as a sorta bridge between Classic/New Who, which brings in lots of new listeners. Tbh I do miss the bubbly, more carefree 8th Doctor and would love to hear the occasional boxset (or seven ) set in that era, with Charley/Lucie/other companions, but I don't mind the focus on pushing his story forwards either. Also, I wonder if they have run out of images from the 1996 TV Movie to use as cover art yet?
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Post by aztec on Jul 8, 2020 9:39:13 GMT
Of course I might be clutching at straws but what do you think? Is it possible we will be getting more Izzy stories? As said elsewhere in this thread, I think more comic adaptations are unfortunately unlikely, but I do think it would be fun to hear more of Izzy/Fitz etc, maybe Big Finish could take the structure of The Company Of Friends and transplant that to a boxset? They could mix and match with some of the old 8th Doctor companions (ie 2x 1 hour stories with Charley +2x1 stories with Izzy in boxset 1, then 1x1 Hour story with Charley+ 3x 1 Hour story with Fitz in Volume 2) and market it as a occasional special release (maybe even drop in some recurring characters or subplots that later get developed in the 'current' 8th Doctor boxsets), mixing the different companions would keep it fresh and lessen the risk of low sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:39:57 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? I'm still surprised they decided to do comic adaptations, as the Novel Adaptations were cancelled due to low sales (I haven't listened to the 4th Doctor comic set, but I'd imagine that adapting comics-a very visual method of storytelling, into audio was harder, trying to avoid the 'say what you see' dialogue), not sure why they felt these would sell better (its sad they didn't though, if Tom Baker can't shift a range then what can?). As for needing another 8th Doctor range...it's not a case of needing, it's a case of wanting and not complaining when they are announced (can never get enough 8th Doctor on audio i.m.o) Damn shame too, because Tom Baker sounds like he's loving it. Potentially a controversial opinion, but being really fond of the original comics (and they're definitely worth seeking out)... I liked the adaptations more. I thought Alan Barnes really nailed it on those first two stories. If anything the audio medium helped smooth over some of the more eccentric elements of the stories by leaving it up to the audience's imagination. Reminds me a bit of Spike Milligan's anecdote about being able to drop a banana split in the Grand Canyon on radio and make it sound dramatic. Still, even if the range is dead, who's to say that we won't one day get a one-off original story for the Eighth Doctor and Izzy/Destrii? The unexpected's happened before (we got more Chris and Roz after the Novel Adaptations ended, for instance). Adding to that, hasnt McGann stated a disinterest in returning to the Eighth Doctor's early, more bubbly days? I wonder if Briggs and co feel the same? More so even that Colin or Sylvester, McGann is the 'Big Finish' Doctor with practically no constraints on developing his character or exploring new styles of storytelling, Big Finish have near complete freedom to develop his doctor, and it makes sense from a marketing point of view to focus on pushing this development (The Time War sets seem to be very popular) and the 'current' storylines, I've noticed they are putting in more connections/references to New Who in the 8th Doctor boxsets (not complaining though!) and he acts as a sorta bridge between Classic/New Who, which brings in lots of new listeners. Tbh I do miss the bubbly, more carefree 8th Doctor and would love to hear the occasional boxset (or seven ) set in that era, with Charley/Lucie/other companions, but I don't mind the focus on pushing his story forwards either. Also, I wonder if they have run out of images from the 1996 TV Movie to use as cover art yet? They've got to be getting close. To the Death waaaay back in 2011 used a promotional image from his turn as Lieutenant Bush in Hornblower, for memory.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 8, 2020 9:42:31 GMT
Adding to that, hasnt McGann stated a disinterest in returning to the Eighth Doctor's early, more bubbly days? I wonder if Briggs and co feel the same? More so even that Colin or Sylvester, McGann is the 'Big Finish' Doctor with practically no constraints on developing his character or exploring new styles of storytelling, Big Finish have near complete freedom to develop his doctor, and it makes sense from a marketing point of view to focus on pushing this development (The Time War sets seem to be very popular) and the 'current' storylines, I've noticed they are putting in more connections/references to New Who in the 8th Doctor boxsets (not complaining though!) and he acts as a sorta bridge between Classic/New Who, which brings in lots of new listeners. Tbh I do miss the bubbly, more carefree 8th Doctor and would love to hear the occasional boxset (or seven ) set in that era, with Charley/Lucie/other companions, but I don't mind the focus on pushing his story forwards either. Also, I wonder if they have run out of images from the 1996 TV Movie to use as cover art yet? Well they have used Dark Eyes Head of McGann and Photoshop ed the long hiar and 1996 outfit on him, plus with image programs like Reimi they can enhance screenshots of 8 from the tv movie and do high quality images
Well why not do a balance with 8- Have adventures from his early days and dying days?
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 8, 2020 9:43:24 GMT
I'm still surprised they decided to do comic adaptations, as the Novel Adaptations were cancelled due to low sales (I haven't listened to the 4th Doctor comic set, but I'd imagine that adapting comics-a very visual method of storytelling, into audio was harder, trying to avoid the 'say what you see' dialogue), not sure why they felt these would sell better (its sad they didn't though, if Tom Baker can't shift a range then what can?). As for needing another 8th Doctor range...it's not a case of needing, it's a case of wanting and not complaining when they are announced (can never get enough 8th Doctor on audio i.m.o) Damn shame too, because Tom Baker sounds like he's loving it. Potentially a controversial opinion, but being really fond of the original comics (and they're definitely worth seeking out)... I liked the adaptations more. I thought Alan Barnes really nailed it on those first two stories. If anything the audio medium helped smooth over some of the more eccentric elements of the stories by leaving it up to the audience's imagination. Reminds me a bit of Spike Milligan's anecdote about being able to drop a banana split in the Grand Canyon on radio and make it sound dramatic. Still, even if the range is dead, who's to say that we won't one day get a one-off original story for the Eighth Doctor and Izzy/Destrii? The unexpected's happened before (we got more Chris and Roz after the Novel Adaptations ended, for instance). I wonder if Briggs and co feel the same? More so even that Colin or Sylvester, McGann is the 'Big Finish' Doctor with practically no constraints on developing his character or exploring new styles of storytelling, Big Finish have near complete freedom to develop his doctor, and it makes sense from a marketing point of view to focus on pushing this development (The Time War sets seem to be very popular) and the 'current' storylines, I've noticed they are putting in more connections/references to New Who in the 8th Doctor boxsets (not complaining though!) and he acts as a sorta bridge between Classic/New Who, which brings in lots of new listeners. Tbh I do miss the bubbly, more carefree 8th Doctor and would love to hear the occasional boxset (or seven ) set in that era, with Charley/Lucie/other companions, but I don't mind the focus on pushing his story forwards either. Also, I wonder if they have run out of images from the 1996 TV Movie to use as cover art yet? They've got to be getting close. To the Death waaaay back in 2011 used a promotional image from his turn as Lieutenant Bush in Hornblower, for memory. My inner geek needs Destrii's departure story
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 8, 2020 9:46:02 GMT
According to Nick, the 4th Doctor set didn’t sell well enough to justify a second box set. And if Tom Baker could not move enough units, do we really think McGann would. Also, do we need another 8th Doctor range? Sad, but not surprising. I remember thinking that if the novel adaptations range didn't sell well enough to continue, why were they expecting the Comic adaptations to do any better?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:52:19 GMT
Damn shame too, because Tom Baker sounds like he's loving it. Potentially a controversial opinion, but being really fond of the original comics (and they're definitely worth seeking out)... I liked the adaptations more. I thought Alan Barnes really nailed it on those first two stories. If anything the audio medium helped smooth over some of the more eccentric elements of the stories by leaving it up to the audience's imagination. Reminds me a bit of Spike Milligan's anecdote about being able to drop a banana split in the Grand Canyon on radio and make it sound dramatic. Still, even if the range is dead, who's to say that we won't one day get a one-off original story for the Eighth Doctor and Izzy/Destrii? The unexpected's happened before (we got more Chris and Roz after the Novel Adaptations ended, for instance). They've got to be getting close. To the Death waaaay back in 2011 used a promotional image from his turn as Lieutenant Bush in Hornblower, for memory. My inner geek needs Destrii's departure story Ohhh... I know, right? A final confrontation with her uncle Jodafra and off to do her own thing in her own inimicable way. I wonder if her original creator, Scott Gray, has a firm idea of where she ended up after all these years?
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Post by sherlock on Jul 8, 2020 9:57:15 GMT
My inner geek needs Destrii's departure story Ohhh... I know, right? A final confrontation with her uncle Jodafra and off to do her own thing in her own inimicable way. I wonder if her original creator, Scott Gray, has a firm idea of where she ended up after all these years? Well he did bring her back in The Stockbridge Showdown so must have some ideas for what happened to her.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 8, 2020 9:59:01 GMT
I hear good things about the Eighth Doctor comics and enjoyed Volume 1 so I’d be up for some, but sadly I think poor sales have relegated this range to a one-off.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 8, 2020 10:45:38 GMT
I would be all for it. The 8th Doctor comics are amazing. Of course I do not know the numbers, but is it possible that McGann is a bigger selling point than Tom? It certainly is for me. Just looking at my Goodreads and the number of reviews for Tom Baker things and McGann things. For example the comic strip adaptations- 4 reviews. Stranded- already 6. When looking at a wider audience, maybe also younger Nu Who fans, 8 might be more popular. Maybe there is a chance for the 8th Doctor comic strips? (I am secretly hoping for the Sixie comics to be adapted, but since Sixie is a bit of an acquired taste... )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 21:02:53 GMT
I remember thinking that if the novel adaptations range didn't sell well enough to continue, why were they expecting the Comic adaptations to do any better? I can only speak for myself but I thought the Doctor Who comic strips that BF adapted for audio were better than the BBC novels they adapted. (Really!) In fact, I thought a lot of the Eighth Doctor comic strips were better than the EDA novels, so it was actually a range full of promise. There are some really excellent Sixth & Eighth Doctor comic strips ripe for adaptation out there, so it will be a pity if we hear no more Doctor Who comic adaptations, but if the Fourth Doctor set didn't sell that well... Maybe some fans just couldn't get their heads round the fact that those stories came from comics, and comics are for kids and all that... On the same theme, I think it's criminal that the 2000AD range wasn't very popular either! They are hidden gems from Big Finish that deserved a wider adience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 1:18:20 GMT
Ohhh... I know, right? A final confrontation with her uncle Jodafra and off to do her own thing in her own inimitable way. I wonder if her original creator, Scott Gray, has a firm idea of where she ended up after all these years? Well he did bring her back in The Stockbridge Showdown so must have some ideas for what happened to her. That's true. I'd be wonderful to get a speculative interview highlighting some of his ideas (or a retrospective comic in the style like Vworp Vworp! Magazine occasionally do). I remember thinking that if the novel adaptations range didn't sell well enough to continue, why were they expecting the Comic adaptations to do any better? I can only speak for myself but I thought the Doctor Who comic strips that BF adapted for audio were better than the BBC novels they adapted. (Really!) In fact, I thought a lot of the Eighth Doctor comic strips were better than the EDA novels, so it was actually a range full of promise. There are some really excellent Sixth & Eighth Doctor comic strips ripe for adaptation out there, so it will be a pity if we hear no more Doctor Who comic adaptations, but if the Fourth Doctor set didn't sell that well... Maybe some fans just couldn't get their heads round the fact that those stories came from comics, and comics are for kids and all that... On the same theme, I think it's criminal that the 2000AD range wasn't very popular either! They are hidden gems from Big Finish that deserved a wider adience. I'm hoping is that the Comic Adaptations end up being one of those ranges that's left to rest for a time and reactivated when there's a hole in the schedule. Generating interest between print, audio, etc; is a two-way street, after all. I wouldn't have known about the big talkin' bird if not for The Holy Terror and I wouldn't have known about The Holy Terror if not for the 2006 Annual. With Time Lord Victorious coming up, set to spread its wings across all sorts of Doctor Who media, maybe there'll be a reevaluation of the adaptations among listeners sooner rather than later. (It'd be a great opportunity for BF to go "By the way, if you've come here from/are going to the TLV comics, why not try The Iron Legion/The Dogs of Doom as well?") Fingers crossed!
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Post by commonman on Jul 9, 2020 2:26:29 GMT
I have always heard great things about the 8th Dr comics era (I have it at the top of my current comics reading list) but my most wanted story adaptations are still "The World Shapers" (Colin & Hines are great together and I really want to hear more of a postDoctor Jammie)
followed by the Abslom Daak arc (which ended with a multi-doctor stories with Davros iirc) & The Night Walkers (Big Finish talked about a season 6B recently so that could be relevent too)
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Post by lemmingsunday1 on Jul 9, 2020 3:52:15 GMT
Hello
What I found curious about adapting the comics is that I don't think any of stories have much substance or depth. Doctor Who and the Star Beast I find to be the best of the lot, yet that story has an element that is beyond stupid. It is like the bit in Indiana Jones with the refrigerator. The comics have such a distinct art style, and that creates an ambience within the story that is lost in audio. Crazy Tom is awesome, but Tom becomes more a series of motions when the subject doesn't provide a foundation for his character's weight.
Give Tom a story grounded on a tragic Shakespearean story and that will be one for the ages.
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