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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 7:04:58 GMT
Hello What I found curious about adapting the comics is that I don't think any of stories have much substance or depth. Doctor Who and the Star Beast I find to be the best of the lot, yet that story has an element that is beyond stupid. It is like the bit in Indiana Jones with the refrigerator. The comics have such a distinct art style, and that creates an ambience within the story that is lost in audio. Crazy Tom is awesome, but Tom becomes more a series of motions when the subject doesn't provide a foundation for his character's weight. Give Tom a story grounded on a tragic Shakespearean story and that will be one for the ages. That could be another added benefit of the McGann run, as well. If you're not a fan of Graham Williams on a Ben-Hur budget, the Eighth Doctor stories' first arc offers something that feels much closer to something like the first series of Blake's 7. A lot more grounded and character-driven. For instance, in one of the stories, the Daleks require something from the Doctor. Do they use hypnosis? A mind probe? Nope, they decide to cut it from his brain with scalpels and a sawblade. *dusts off hands* Alan Barnes isn't taking any prisoners for those stories.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 9, 2020 13:13:00 GMT
Hello What I found curious about adapting the comics is that I don't think any of stories have much substance or depth. Doctor Who and the Star Beast I find to be the best of the lot, yet that story has an element that is beyond stupid. It is like the bit in Indiana Jones with the refrigerator. The comics have such a distinct art style, and that creates an ambience within the story that is lost in audio. Crazy Tom is awesome, but Tom becomes more a series of motions when the subject doesn't provide a foundation for his character's weight. Give Tom a story grounded on a tragic Shakespearean story and that will be one for the ages. I Remember hearing there was one really dark 4th Doctor DWM Comic where in the end he was waiting for several people to arrive in a post apocalyptic city and he laments they never made it cant remember what it was called but yeah it was really downbeat story
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Post by doctorwhofan1963 on Jul 9, 2020 14:09:58 GMT
It's called 'End of the Line', and - yes - it is much bleaker than it had any right to be as a Doctor Who Monthly strip.
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Post by grinch on Jul 9, 2020 15:30:33 GMT
Personally I’d have been keen to see them attempt to adapt City of the Damned and then maybe The Time Witch. It’s a shame this range wasn’t a success. Felt like the next logical step would have been adapting the Sixth Doctor accompanied by Frobisher (Imagine what the adaptation of Voyager would have been like?!) and then maybe the Eighth Doctor.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 9, 2020 17:34:27 GMT
Personally I’d have been keen to see them attempt to adapt City of the Damned and then maybe The Time Witch. It’s a shame this range wasn’t a success. Felt like the next logical step would have been adapting the Sixth Doctor accompanied by Frobisher (Imagine what the adaptation of Voyager would have been like?!) and then maybe the Eighth Doctor. Ditto.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 11, 2020 11:30:01 GMT
I think Big Finish should have treated the release of the Fourth Doctor Comic Strip adaptations differently. There should have been released as separate stories with a combined set as a limited edition book-set. If ever a collection should have been offered in a book-set collection it is these Comic Book adaptations.
Oh and don’t treat the singular releases as vanilla releases. I hate when they do that, by all means have additional extras with the collected set, but don’t remove all the behind the scenes from the individual releases, that is just mean.
It’s a big shame that the Tom collections didn’t sell enough to warrant more. Just like with the Fourth Doctor book adaptations I cannot understand why they haven’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 12:06:06 GMT
I think Big Finish should have treated the release of the Fourth Doctor Comic Strip adaptations differently. There should have been released as separate stories with a combined set as a limited edition book-set. If ever a collection should have been offered in a book-set collection it is these Comic Book adaptations. A combined 'limited edition' set with reprints of the actual comic strips would have been cool!
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 13, 2020 9:29:32 GMT
I think Big Finish should have treated the release of the Fourth Doctor Comic Strip adaptations differently. There should have been released as separate stories with a combined set as a limited edition book-set. If ever a collection should have been offered in a book-set collection it is these Comic Book adaptations. Oh and don’t treat the singular releases as vanilla releases. I hate when they do that, by all means have additional extras with the collected set, but don’t remove all the behind the scenes from the individual releases, that is just mean. It’s a big shame that the Tom collections didn’t sell enough to warrant more. Just like with the Fourth Doctor book adaptations I cannot understand why they haven’t. It probably has something to do with the fact they seemingly plucked the 10,000 copies out of thin air! They haven't sold their 10,000 for The Light at the End, so there'll nowhere near have sold out for the two comic book adaptations. The Last Adventure had its run reduced, which again has yet to sell out, despite the assumption they'd probably be more popular than the novel adaptations sets, especially as TLA didn't have another physical release. The Tenth Doctor sets were limited to 3,000 and even they didn't sell out until a bit after release. We were told that The Legacy of Time was their biggest selling release based on pre-orders, yet that didn't shift its allocated 3,000 units until just after it was released. I think the limited edition sets for the novel adaptations were odd in the first place (you need to consider that they're a niche of a niche too), but to do 10,000 units made no sense whatsoever. They were never going to sell out; I'd be surprised if the CD and download copies totalled 10K for a typical release.
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Post by project37 on Jul 13, 2020 19:27:36 GMT
To me, it's a sobering sign that even though there will always be very loyal and vocal fans committed to the physical editions, there just aren't enough to keep making them and justifying the cost of production. There was that Billie Piper BF podcast interview from last year where Nick explained that only "a few thousand" (2-3K) people listen to the audios. Selling even more expensive premium packages as limited physical editions unfortunately wasn't enough to move the needle.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Jul 13, 2020 20:33:49 GMT
I have to admit the Comic Strip Adaptations left me a little cold - Star Beast was the superior of the two. I'm not a fan of Alan Barnes' writing to be honest, and I think a big mistake was made trying to fit them into the established four part structure. But it was a first attempt of anything of it's kind. It's not often anything is s**t hot right from the off!
That said, and I'd be amazed if it was workable, but one idea I was thinking of would be to model the Eighth Doctor comic strips in a similar style to the graphic novels. Say the first box set actually contained most, if not all, of the stories from Endgame, over four to five discs giving each story it's individual room to breathe. Maybe the one parters could be done as short tales, the longer stories taking longer, obviously. But not giving any story/episode a fixed running time. You could have a fixed set of actors like the forthcoming Davison stories have, not all of them featuring in every story, again this could be used in an inspired way, like maybe some actors only appear in one story because he or she would be perfect for it, whilst others crop up throughout. Even McGann and Rooper (no recasts if possible) could double up showcasing their talents and conserving resources. Briggs of course could finally have the role he's always craved in Wormwood!
Eight stories of varying lengths over four discs sounds quite appealing and instead of expanding the strips would keep them tight and truer to the originals - a nice tight jewel case would work far better as well with the Doctor, Izzy and a surrounding montage of foes. But, like I said it's a pipe dream and no doubt the rights mine fields, etc would make it a very prohibitive production to make.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 13, 2020 20:44:52 GMT
Most of the cast already exists for that first season as well, it’s mad.
The Doctor - Paul McGann Izzy - Jemima Rooper Shayde - Mark Donovan (Although as hes not worked with BF for years, he’d probably be recast) The Daleks / “The Ninth Doctor” - Nicholas Briggs The Toymaker - david bailie Maxwell Edison - Mark Williams
The only major players that’d need to be cast are Fey and Marwood. Pretty much all of the other roles could easily be filled by anyone available.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 13, 2020 23:03:56 GMT
I am sad the comic strip set didn't sell but not too surprised. The novel adaptations didn't sell and they were out of print (and highly expensive in some cases) while the comic collections are readily available to anyone who wants them. (I was really hoping so hear an adaptation of the World Shapers. The story is full of brilliant ideas but they go by so quickly. A fleshed-out reunion of old Jamie and the Doctor with more focus on the characters, with Jamie's tragic sacrifice played by Frazer Hines, with Cybermen and Voord and strange abandoned TARDISes... That would have been something.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 7:05:50 GMT
I am sad the comic strip set didn't sell but not too surprised. The novel adaptations didn't sell and they were out of print (and highly expensive in some cases) while the comic collections are readily available to anyone who wants them. (I was really hoping so hear an adaptation of the World Shapers. The story is full of brilliant ideas but they go by so quickly. A fleshed-out reunion of old Jamie and the Doctor with more focus on the characters, with Jamie's tragic sacrifice played by Frazer Hines, with Cybermen and Voord and strange abandoned TARDISes... That would have been something.) I'd have liked a softer ending for poor ol' Jamie. Personally, I don't believe he spent his entire life a half-crazed recluse in a cottage somewhere. I think the price for getting his memories of the Doctor back was that he forgot what was actually a fairly fulfilling life with Kirsty and his bairns. Alone because he'd spent his retirement trekking around Europe searching for traces of his old life, little bits and pieces from his adventures returning, only to come home without any memory of who he'd been gathering his past for. That would've been nice. A sort of James Robert McCrimmon "This was your life" moment that the Doctor shared with him. A tour through his own history. There's a lot of potential there for nice little moments:
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 15, 2020 10:37:50 GMT
Most of the cast already exists for that first season as well, it’s mad. The Doctor - Paul McGann Izzy - Jemima Rooper Shayde - Mark Donovan (Although as hes not worked with BF for years, he’d probably be recast) The Daleks / “The Ninth Doctor” - Nicholas Briggs The Toymaker - david bailie Maxwell Edison - Mark Williams The only major players that’d need to be cast are Fey and Marwood. Pretty much all of the other roles could easily be filled by anyone available. I Think Katarina Olsson could do a good job as Fey
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Post by grinch on Jul 16, 2020 21:17:39 GMT
I am sad the comic strip set didn't sell but not too surprised. The novel adaptations didn't sell and they were out of print (and highly expensive in some cases) while the comic collections are readily available to anyone who wants them. (I was really hoping so hear an adaptation of the World Shapers. The story is full of brilliant ideas but they go by so quickly. A fleshed-out reunion of old Jamie and the Doctor with more focus on the characters, with Jamie's tragic sacrifice played by Frazer Hines, with Cybermen and Voord and strange abandoned TARDISes... That would have been something.) I'd have liked a softer ending for poor ol' Jamie. Personally, I don't believe he spent his entire life a half-crazed recluse in a cottage somewhere. I think the price for getting his memories of the Doctor back was that he forgot what was actually a fairly fulfilling life with Kirsty and his bairns. Alone because he'd spent his retirement trekking around Europe searching for traces of his old life, little bits and pieces from his adventures returning, only to come home without any memory of who he'd been gathering his past for. That would've been nice. A sort of James Robert McCrimmon "This was your life" moment that the Doctor shared with him. A tour through his own history. There's a lot of potential there for nice little moments: Nice. 👍 I know it’s a fan favourite and acclaimed and all but I’ve personally never liked The World Shapers. Always seemed far too fan w***y for lack of a better term and a bit mean spirited. I feel like out of all the Doctor’s companions, Jamie is one of the ones who truly deserved a happy ending.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 1:25:53 GMT
I'd have liked a softer ending for poor ol' Jamie. Personally, I don't believe he spent his entire life a half-crazed recluse in a cottage somewhere. I think the price for getting his memories of the Doctor back was that he forgot what was actually a fairly fulfilling life with Kirsty and his bairns. Alone because he'd spent his retirement trekking around Europe searching for traces of his old life, little bits and pieces from his adventures returning, only to come home without any memory of who he'd been gathering his past for. That would've been nice. A sort of James Robert McCrimmon "This was your life" moment that the Doctor shared with him. A tour through his own history. There's a lot of potential there for nice little moments: Nice. 👍 I know it’s a fan favourite and acclaimed and all but I’ve personally never liked The World Shapers. Always seemed far too fan w***y for lack of a better term and a bit mean spirited. I feel like out of all the Doctor’s companions, Jamie is one of the ones who truly deserved a happy ending. Thanks. 👍 The World Shapers occupies that same sort of niche that The Krotons does for me. The more I rewatch/reread it, the more fascinated I become by how it's put together. You're right and it's high on the list of adaptations I'd like to see for that reason. There's a lot implied, but not quite explored in the same way it could be in over 100+ minutes on audio (or even with double the installments a la Emperor of the Daleks). Both in terms of character and the worldbuilding. If The Keys of Marinus was a journey across space, The World Shapers could easily be one across time. Marinus's own time as it accelerates out of control.
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