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Post by mark687 on Jul 30, 2020 9:34:23 GMT
BF News Piece www.bigfinish.com/news/v/doctor-who-the-lovecraft-invasion-is-out-nowIF there was ambiguity on the opinions of the views or issues raised ts not there now. Very strong writing and performance from our leads and Robyn Holdaway in particular (more roles for her please) That's 2 MRs in a row that are thought provoking high quality Regards mark687 |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 30, 2020 9:39:46 GMT
Phew.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 30, 2020 11:07:01 GMT
Will be listening this today, at last!
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu, R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
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Post by number13 on Jul 30, 2020 12:13:39 GMT
Will be listening this today, at last! "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu, R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" According to my spellchecker that "translates" as
'Ph glue glow naïf Cthulhu, Riley wag nag futon'
So all is clear. After stopping Cthulhu with acidic (ph) glue which makes him glow and shows him as a bit naïf for getting tricked so easily, a mysterious character called 'Riley' sits him down on a futon and gives him a stern telling-off for invading Earth. (Must be another of the Doctor's aliases  ) |
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Post by elkawho on Jul 30, 2020 12:54:50 GMT
Woohoo! I will be listening to this later!
By the way, I listen to the amazing podcast Imaginary Worlds by Eric Molinsky. This week's episode is about Lovecraft and he speaks with a number of writers of color who are writing works based on Lovecraft and how these writers view the man and the work, and how they are co-opting the work to explore racism rather then support Lovecraft's views. It's excellent.
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Post by Digi on Jul 30, 2020 15:02:50 GMT
Just finished, got the BTS bit on now. Very enjoyable, glad it finally arrived.
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Post by melkur on Jul 30, 2020 15:23:13 GMT
Take a drink every time I say "I'll be listening to this when my Mac gets it together & decides to (finally) load VLC...", I'll be listening to this when my Mac gets it together & decides to (finally) load VLC.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 30, 2020 15:28:25 GMT
Woohoo! I will be listening to this later! By the way, I listen to the amazing podcast Imaginary Worlds by Eric Molinsky. This week's episode is about Lovecraft and he speaks with a number of writers of color who are writing works based on Lovecraft and how these writers view the man and the work, and how they are co-opting the work to explore racism rather then support Lovecraft's views. It's excellent. You really should read Lovecraft Country by Matt Ruff. It is excellent. HBO has an adaptation of it coming out soon. |
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 30, 2020 15:29:17 GMT
Just finished, it's a good story, though I think it'll be the unfortunate circumstances surrounding its release that'll stick with people.
It balances Robert Valentine's original intention, which was to neither ignore his views or demonise him for them, and the story does that; it goes into his psyche, which is disturbing and utilises that in typical Doctor Who fashion. His views spark a dark mind, which in turn spawns monsters, but those monsters don't spout that blacks are closer to animals than whites, or Jews should be "muzzled" or the other abhorrent views that Lovecraft had. I get the impression that the edits have been made to the start and end of the story, where the Doctor offers a more direct opinion, rather than it being something that's there in subtext but not explicit. That allows Valentine to have his intention, whilst also channelling Big Finish's view via the Doctor.
I think from a subject matter perspective, it's better handled than The Scorched Earth, which was a role reversal, albeit sloppily done in my eyes.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 30, 2020 15:51:08 GMT
Is the podcast still available which featured the 15 minute tease?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 15:51:48 GMT
Just finished, it's a good story, though I think it'll be the unfortunate circumstances surrounding its release that'll stick with people. It balances Robert Valentine's original intention, which was to neither ignore his views or demonise him for them, and the story does that; it goes into his psyche, which is disturbing and utilises that in typical Doctor Who fashion. His views spark a dark mind, which in turn spawns monsters, but those monsters don't spout that blacks are closer to animals than whites, or Jews should be "muzzled" or the other abhorrent views that Lovecraft had. I get the impression that the edits have been made to the start and end of the story, where the Doctor offers a more direct opinion, rather than it being something that's there in subtext but not explicit. That allows Valentine to have his intention, whilst also channelling Big Finish's view via the Doctor. I think from a subject matter perspective, it's better handled than The Scorched Earth, which was a role reversal, albeit sloppily done in my eyes. I won't be listening to this until the end of the month, but that review makes it sound very interesting.  Really looking forward to it. |
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Post by Digi on Jul 30, 2020 15:58:03 GMT
Just finished, it's a good story, though I think it'll be the unfortunate circumstances surrounding its release that'll stick with people. It balances Robert Valentine's original intention, which was to neither ignore his views or demonise him for them, and the story does that; it goes into his psyche, which is disturbing and utilises that in typical Doctor Who fashion. His views spark a dark mind, which in turn spawns monsters, but those monsters don't spout that blacks are closer to animals than whites, or Jews should be "muzzled" or the other abhorrent views that Lovecraft had. I get the impression that the edits have been made to the start and end of the story, where the Doctor offers a more direct opinion, rather than it being something that's there in subtext but not explicit. That allows Valentine to have his intention, whilst also channelling Big Finish's view via the Doctor. I think from a subject matter perspective, it's better handled than The Scorched Earth, which was a role reversal, albeit sloppily done in my eyes. , but that review makes it sound very interesting. Really looking forward to it. Right now it's 17:00 UK time on July 30. You've got like seven hours till it's "the end of the month"  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 16:11:28 GMT
Just finished, it's a good story, though I think it'll be the unfortunate circumstances surrounding its release that'll stick with people. It balances Robert Valentine's original intention, which was to neither ignore his views or demonise him for them, and the story does that; it goes into his psyche, which is disturbing and utilises that in typical Doctor Who fashion. His views spark a dark mind, which in turn spawns monsters, but those monsters don't spout that blacks are closer to animals than whites, or Jews should be "muzzled" or the other abhorrent views that Lovecraft had. I get the impression that the edits have been made to the start and end of the story, where the Doctor offers a more direct opinion, rather than it being something that's there in subtext but not explicit. That allows Valentine to have his intention, whilst also channelling Big Finish's view via the Doctor. I think from a subject matter perspective, it's better handled than The Scorched Earth, which was a role reversal, albeit sloppily done in my eyes. That sounds good, thanks for the balanced review. I think that beyond the recent events and concern about 'cancel culture' and 'educating' people about prejudices, how many of us would not hold back in our words if given the chance to meet a figure from history with views that are simply wrong and not merely 'of their time'? As you and others say, The Doctor fulfils that role as our mouthpiece and so allowing the story space to breathe once that is made clear. I think prefacing the drama with this aspect was necessary otherwise listeners would be a little wound up if it was not addressed until the coda. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 16:12:25 GMT
I won't be listening to this until the end of the month, but that review makes it sound very interesting. Really looking forward to it. Right now it's 17:00 UK time on July 30. You've got like seven hours till it's "the end of the month" Haha - thanks for that! I meant the end of next month  |
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Post by davygallagher on Jul 30, 2020 16:22:23 GMT
I won't be listening to this until the end of the month, but that review makes it sound very interesting. Really looking forward to it. Right now it's 17:00 UK time on July 30. You've got like seven hours till it's "the end of the month" I think you need a new calendar! "Thirty days have November, April, June, and September. With 28 there is but one. All the rest have thirty-one" |
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Post by Digi on Jul 30, 2020 16:23:31 GMT
Right now it's 17:00 UK time on July 30. You've got like seven hours till it's "the end of the month" I think you need a new calendar! "Thirty days have November, April, June, and September. With 28 there is but one. All the rest have thirty-one" ....tomorrow is July 31 -- the end of the month |
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Post by coreywt on Jul 30, 2020 16:56:50 GMT
Is the podcast still available which featured the 15 minute tease? It was the 2020-06-07 podcast, just played a bit of it again and it's still the unrevised version. |
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Post by x2magneto on Jul 30, 2020 17:26:30 GMT
Right now it's 17:00 UK time on July 30. You've got like seven hours till it's "the end of the month" I think you need a new calendar! "Thirty days have November, April, June, and September. With 28 there is but one. All the rest have thirty-one" Where's Batman when you need him?  |
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 30, 2020 18:09:14 GMT
Awesome. Just came back from a long crappy workday and see this waiting for me.
Day saved.
Downloading now.
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Post by nitronine on Jul 30, 2020 18:34:56 GMT
Listening to part one now. {Minor Part 1 Spoilers}
Hearing the 6th Doctor talk to Flip about gamers was worth the wait. I also liked the small moment when the Doctor mentions that he struggles to reread his favourite books from when he was a child as he found out about the author’s abhorrent views. I don’t know if this was a newly added scene but it reminded me a lot of my recent experience of JK Rowling so it feels very relevant. I’m not trying to start a discussion about JKR here but this part resonated with me quite a bit given the circumstances. Speaking of JKR though, the general premise reminded me of the unproduced Stephen Fry script idea for series 4. Seems that the Doctor can’t get away from bigot authors’ creations becoming real haha (again, not trying to have that discussion in this thread, just making a joke)
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