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Post by grinch on Apr 2, 2021 19:08:40 GMT
I have yet to read the full interview with Eccleston but from that snippet alone I have to say I greatly admire his honesty and sheer frankness.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 2, 2021 19:16:55 GMT
I don't know where this quotation comes from (DWM?), but it made me laugh: Made me laugh as well when I read it. It was comforting though that immediately afterwards he said that the second reason is that he loves playing the part
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Post by project37 on Apr 2, 2021 19:37:57 GMT
I have yet to read the full interview with Eccleston but from that snippet alone I have to say I greatly admire his honesty and sheer frankness. He's always come across as a class act in his interviews and this one was no exception. It's a great read and got me even more energized to hear him reprise the role.
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Post by cwm on Apr 2, 2021 21:27:25 GMT
I think that quote is being unfairly taken out of context (the source of the tweet is a clickbaity article from the Independent that's taken quotes from the DWM article and seemingly tried to frame it as solely being about money).
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 2, 2021 21:54:52 GMT
The more I read about Ravagers, the more excited I get. It's hard to believe, considering how euphoric I was (as, I suspect, we all were) back when it was first announced. Kinda bummed it's only 3 stories, but even so. I just hope Big Finish doesn't wait until the very end of the month to release it.... I have yet to read the full interview with Eccleston but from that snippet alone I have to say I greatly admire his honesty and sheer frankness. It's always (profoundly) refreshing to meet someone in a creative field who isn't pretentious about their craft.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 2, 2021 22:00:57 GMT
The more I read about Ravagers, the more excited I get. It's hard to believe, considering how euphoric I was (as, I suspect, we all were) back when it was first announced. Kinda bummed it's only 3 stories, but even so. I just hope Big Finish doesn't wait until the very end of the month to release it.... Yeah, I'm really excited about it too. Its got all the right ideas - Doctor messed up, story starts in media res, no returning monsters, covering all sorts of different time periods and locations. I really can't wait.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 0:06:45 GMT
I think that quote is being unfairly taken out of context (the source of the tweet is a clickbaity article from the Independent that's taken quotes from the DWM article and seemingly tried to frame it as solely being about money). Speaks to one of the strange things about acting as a profession. This is more in general: there's a weird assumption that an actor is always in the position of being able to pick and choose their roles. Rather than, you know, being like everyone else, where the prospects come as available. Eccleston is definitely passionate about his return to the Ninth Doctor (positively gleeful from what's been heard), but acting is -- in pragmatic terms -- a paid occupation. And, it's weird, because that's something that fundamentally can't be said because it's viewed as impacting on the performance. "They're only in it for the money," so the misspoken word goes. With the unsaid, And they'll give a lesser performance because of it. That feels unfair to me. It misses the collaborative element of it. Whatever reason they're doing it for, any actor worth their salt will work to give a good performance because a) it still looks good either way, and; b) they've respect enough for their other actors and the process to maintain a high standard. People shouldn't be shamed for wanting to make a living.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 3, 2021 11:42:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 12:38:39 GMT
also this quote oh boy....: " My Doctor is very much in the moment. I’m not a slave to the canon. I think, if the show wants to survive going forward, it needs to explode the canon. That rigid adherence to ‘it can only be this number of incarnations’, etc.— it’s nonsense. Nonsense. The imagination is limitless.” Exploding 'canon' is pretty much what Chris Chibnall is doing with the Timless Child...
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 3, 2021 13:12:02 GMT
also this quote oh boy....: " My Doctor is very much in the moment. I’m not a slave to the canon. I think, if the show wants to survive going forward, it needs to explode the canon. That rigid adherence to ‘it can only be this number of incarnations’, etc.— it’s nonsense. Nonsense. The imagination is limitless.” Exploding 'canon' is pretty much what Chris Chibnall is doing with the Timless Child...
Yeah and look how well it has gone down...:
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 3, 2021 14:07:24 GMT
To be honest, I think Eccleston's right in that the rule of there only being a certain number of regenerations is problematic, but I don't think the Timeless Child was the correct answer to it.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 3, 2021 14:19:37 GMT
To be honest, I think Eccleston's right in that the rule of there only being a certain number of regenerations is problematic, but I don't think the Timeless Child was the correct answer to it. Honestly 13 Regeneration Limit is fine as it is suppose to symbolize a clock/Time Finding ways in the narrative to get a second or more regeneration cycles are the way to go
making the doctor the progenitor of Time Lord Society and Regeneration with an undisclosed amount of regenerations potentially unlimited) is the asinine way of doing it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 16:10:38 GMT
Exploding 'canon' is pretty much what Chris Chibnall is doing with the Timless Child...
Yeah and look how well it has gone down...: That was my point, exploding 'canon' doesn't always go down very well.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 3, 2021 17:30:34 GMT
To be honest, I think Eccleston's right in that the rule of there only being a certain number of regenerations is problematic, but I don't think the Timeless Child was the correct answer to it. Honestly 13 Regeneration Limit is fine as it is suppose to symbolize a clock/Time Finding ways in the narrative to get a second or more regeneration cycles are the way to go
making the doctor the progenitor of Time Lord Society and Regeneration with an undisclosed amount of regenerations potentially unlimited) is the asinine way of doing it
completely agree.
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Post by constonks on Apr 3, 2021 20:27:23 GMT
The example Chris gives: ...but funnily enough, the Doctor having forgotten something from Season 6B is an example of adherence to "canon"!* But he's right, of course. Plus I like the idea that after the War, he kinda shrugs off the past - it's a coping mechanism, keeps him moving. He's a new man. No numbers (they'd be a lie anyway). Just the Doctor. (And honestly makes all the BF Tenth Doctor-meets-everyone stuff feel like the continuance of that, an over-correction in his next life!) *spoilers for a recent Main Range audio - Given that the Sixth Doctor hinted at "remembering" some of his Season 6B adventures one day, but that the Ninth Doctor still doesn't, I wonder if BF has a plan for which Doctor will be doing that digging into his own past... as I said, Number Ten would fit...
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 3, 2021 22:39:10 GMT
also this quote oh boy....: " My Doctor is very much in the moment. I’m not a slave to the canon. I think, if the show wants to survive going forward, it needs to explode the canon. That rigid adherence to ‘it can only be this number of incarnations’, etc.— it’s nonsense. Nonsense. The imagination is limitless.” Exploding 'canon' is pretty much what Chris Chibnall is doing with the Timless Child...
What Chibnall is doing is very much the opposite--he's not ignoring continuity, he's fixating on continuity to the expense of the stories he's trying to tell. It's a navel-gazing obsession with "lore" that tends to cripple long-running series as it's largely indicative of a lack of imagination: the producers are no longer interested in going forward, so they go backward instead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 3:06:08 GMT
The example Chris gives: ...but funnily enough, the Doctor having forgotten something from Season 6B is an example of adherence to "canon"!* But he's right, of course. Plus I like the idea that after the War, he kinda shrugs off the past - it's a coping mechanism, keeps him moving. He's a new man. No numbers (they'd be a lie anyway). Just the Doctor. (And honestly makes all the BF Tenth Doctor-meets-everyone stuff feel like the continuance of that, an over-correction in his next life!) *spoilers for a recent Main Range audio - {Spoiler}Given that the Sixth Doctor hinted at "remembering" some of his Season 6B adventures one day, but that the Ninth Doctor still doesn't, I wonder if BF has a plan for which Doctor will be doing that digging into his own past... as I said, Number Ten would fit...
I've got my own pet theory about that memory thing. The Fourth Doctor mentions never having been to Traken, but after a bit of digging, discovers that he had visited the Union a very long time ago. Both the Fifth and Sixth Doctors mention that their lives before their second regeneration are a bit hazy. They're old enough and widely travelled enough by that point, sometimes they forget things. That said... Sometimes, they have memories that theoretically they shouldn't be aware of. For example, an explanation for Season 6B... {Theory}...and its discrepancies in memory may rest with The Five Doctors. Why does the Sixth Doctor remember while other incarnations don't? Assuming that the Second Doctor there is from Season 6B, the telepathic conference that he, the First and Third Doctor held to break Borusa's grip over the Fifth, may have included recent memories. The Doctor may have inadvertently cheated Time and regained some of his lost history without knowing it. Prior to the memory block and erasure installed for his exile. A discrepancy the Fifth Doctor may not have been aware of but, after his regeneration, the Sixth Doctor was. The tricky thing about the Doctor's past is that every so often something comes along and decides to rewrite it. Did the Third Doctor die on Metebelis III or Dust? Did the Fourth or Eighth Doctors go to Shada? Was Season 6B always a part of the Second Doctor's life after capture or was it an alteration made during later incarnations? If the Valeyard hadn't come from the future and intervened, would we still have had the Trial on Space Station Zenobia? To stop my brain from melting, I tend to separate the timeline into two categories -- Relative Time and Absolute Time. > Absolute Time is when everything is happening all at once: "Sir Reginald Styles was murdered/saved, the Peace Conference destroyed/delayed, and the Second Dalek Invasion of Earth was successful/failed". Both of those statements are true and accurate, at the same time. It's the causal absolution that sent Time Lord cartographers mad. > Relative Time is what's true for each individual incarnation. "The Fourth Doctor visited Shada, so the Fifth Doctor remembers as he travels with Tegan and Nyssa," vs. "The Doctor never visited Shada, so the Fifth Doctor travelling with Peri and Erimem remembers," vs. "The Eighth Doctor visited Shada, so the Ninth Doctor remembers." All true, but not to the Doctor. One is truer than the others by nature of where they are in their lives.
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Post by project37 on Apr 4, 2021 14:46:51 GMT
This is fascinating from the io9 write-up - I didn't catch this with the DWM write-up (which I thought was an exclusive), but it makes sense as I see more and more articles pop up:
Also... Exploding 'canon' is pretty much what Chris Chibnall is doing with the Timless Child...
Yeah and look how well it has gone down...: (But I really enjoyed it.)
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Post by agentten on Apr 4, 2021 17:50:07 GMT
It's awesome that Eccleston is doing some press for this release. The wider the news reaches, the more new listeners Big Finish could gain. I expect there will be people who have never heard Big Finish before that will buy the set just for more Eccleston and the positive way he's been discussing his experience is sure to enthuse many.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 4, 2021 18:03:42 GMT
If the Doctor in Moffat's era can have just vague memories of "The Web of Fear", I see no reason why the ninth Doctor shouldn't forget "The Five Doctors" - although I wonder if this is actually just a joke, parodying the Brig's tendency to greet the Doctor every time he meets him as a new incarnation, because it's easier than worrying about what order they're arriving in.
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