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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 13:45:39 GMT
I can definitely see the Eighth Doctor doing the equivalent of UFO's "Mindbender" with the "our world -- sort of" scenario. "James Alistair Bowman plays an eccentric traveller in space-and-time, whose worst struggles are studio executives constantly retooling the show beneath him and his co-stars, and a long-distance relationship with his estranged partner in San Francisco. Lately, he's taken to sitting in his blue leather peacoat at home in the dark. His colleagues are worried he's going to burn himself out. This newest season they're writing... It's a little too close to home for Bowman. He's not a soldier, but he's seen his fair share of battles. But it's all make-believe, right? A fantasy. That flight through imagination we call... Sorry, what was the name of the show again?" (And, every time someone tries to say the series' title, they cut to another scene.) Do you think this show 8 plays the lead on would be modeled after the proposed 90s US Who reboot that was planed if the TV movie had been more successful? What a good idea. I was thinking that as time goes on, he ends up playing the Doctor in all the mooted possibilities that lead up to the TV Movie, but that concept might work better.
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Post by Jeedai on Aug 29, 2020 19:41:31 GMT
Has the Second Doctor ever sieged a base?
EDIT: Or, more likely, been put by circumstances into the middle of a group that was doing so?
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 29, 2020 20:01:55 GMT
Has the Second Doctor ever sieged a base?
EDIT: Or, more likely, been put by circumstances into the middle of a group that was doing so?
What a great idea. Hope we will get to hear it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 20:10:07 GMT
Has the Second Doctor ever sieged a base?
EDIT: Or, more likely, been put by circumstances into the middle of a group that was doing so?
Does Doctor Who and the Silurians fit into this category? He tried to act as peacemaker with the besieged Silurians who were breaking out and attacking the encroaching 'foe', but his UNIT employers, led by the Brigadier, blew up the base instead.
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Post by Jeedai on Aug 29, 2020 20:56:51 GMT
Does Doctor Who and the Silurians fit into this category? He tried to act as peacemaker with the besieged Silurians who were breaking out and attacking the encroaching 'foe', but his UNIT employers, led by the Brigadier, blew up the base instead. It does. And also Son of the Dragon, with Five traveling the army marching on Vlad Tepes at the end and trying to get word to his fortress. I thought about them both before posting. But I'm asking specifically about the Second Doctor, as Base Under Siege (with him on the inside) is one of his recurring plotlines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 21:32:59 GMT
Does Doctor Who and the Silurians fit into this category? He tried to act as peacemaker with the besieged Silurians who were breaking out and attacking the encroaching 'foe', but his UNIT employers, led by the Brigadier, blew up the base instead. It does. And also Son of the Dragon, with Five traveling the army marching on Vlad Tepes at the end and trying to get word to his fortress. I thought about them both before posting. But I'm asking specifically about the Second Doctor, as Base Under Siege (with him on the inside) is one of his recurring plotlines. My mistake. Missed the 'Second' when reading through the messages. Thinking of Silurians though, it has only struck me as an interesting move by Malcolm Hulke to flip around what was a bit of a well used trope of the series at the time of his commission.
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Post by number13 on Aug 29, 2020 22:39:18 GMT
It does. And also Son of the Dragon, with Five traveling the army marching on Vlad Tepes at the end and trying to get word to his fortress. I thought about them both before posting. But I'm asking specifically about the Second Doctor, as Base Under Siege (with him on the inside) is one of his recurring plotlines. My mistake. Missed the 'Second' when reading through the messages. Thinking of Silurians though, it has only struck me as an interesting move by Malcolm Hulke to flip around what was a bit of a well used trope of the series at the time of his commission. Malcolm Hulke had the Brig. blow up the entrances to the base to seal the Silurians in, and the Doctor was furious not that they were killed (because they weren't) but that he couldn't get his hands on their technology (presumably hoping to get something to help repair the TARDIS) and his novelisation still does that and the DVD production notes comment similarly (as I recall, it's been a while.)
The TV ending was Barry Letts' choice, but earlier in the story it's still clear from the Brig's dialogue that he was going to seal the base, not destroy it. I've never liked the TV ending; Malcolm Hulke was the best writer of the Pertwee years imo and liked to leave things more ambiguous. It still doesn't really make sense because the Silurans would simply have melted themselves a new exit and tried genocide against the 'apes' again, but it does fit the Doctor's character at that time - escape was his first priority, not helping us.
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Post by constonks on Aug 29, 2020 22:43:21 GMT
Probably said this in another thread but there are a few mentioned-but-unseen adventures from the classic series I'm shocked that BF (or Virgin or BBC Books) haven't touched yet:
- The First Doctor's visit to Det-sen Monastery - The Second Doctor solving the Draconian space plague - The Third Doctor, Jo and Mike on Karfel (Virgin published a novel where they were on their way to Karfel, but it didn't tell the actual story!) - UNIT vs the Ice Warriors (implied in Castrovalva) - The (Fourth or earlier) Doctor marching with the Filipino army in World War VI.
Also, one from the new series - the First Doctor and Susan at the festival on Akhaten!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 22:56:56 GMT
My mistake. Missed the 'Second' when reading through the messages. Thinking of Silurians though, it has only struck me as an interesting move by Malcolm Hulke to flip around what was a bit of a well used trope of the series at the time of his commission. Malcolm Hulke had the Brig. blow up the entrances to the base to seal the Silurians in, and the Doctor was furious not that they were killed (because they weren't) but that he couldn't get his hands on their technology (presumably hoping to get something to help repair the TARDIS) and his novelisation still does that and the DVD production notes comment similarly (as I recall, it's been a while.) The TV ending was Barry Letts' choice, but earlier in the story it's still clear from the Brig's dialogue that he was going to seal the base, not destroy it. I've never liked the TV ending; Malcolm Hulke was the best writer of the Pertwee years imo and liked to leave things more ambiguous. It still doesn't really make sense because the Silurans would simply have melted themselves a new exit and tried genocide against the 'apes' again, but it does fit the Doctor's character at that time - escape was his first priority, not helping us.
The televised ending is also pretty intense for the time as well. When the ceiling comes down on Morka, the revival chamber in the background is opening up, which means that the Silurians in the shelter are waking up in time to die. That's a pretty shocking development for a Saturday teatime slot. Blood Heat does something rather interesting with its alternate universe premise of "What if the Silurians had succeeded?" and puts Morka in the same position as the Brigadier after this story. He's a far older reptile by the time the Seventh Doctor meets him. He's married, had a son, he's established a whole new world, but the people he had to kill to achieve it, they still haunt him. I like that symmetry. No matter who "wins" in the conflict between the humans and the Silurians, neither side has an easy time living with it. It's got me thinking... I wonder if the Third Doctor took some time away from UNIT to deal with his feelings on the Silurians before coming back? A few weeks or so, to cool down.
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Post by number13 on Aug 29, 2020 23:52:56 GMT
Malcolm Hulke had the Brig. blow up the entrances to the base to seal the Silurians in, and the Doctor was furious not that they were killed (because they weren't) but that he couldn't get his hands on their technology (presumably hoping to get something to help repair the TARDIS) and his novelisation still does that and the DVD production notes comment similarly (as I recall, it's been a while.) The TV ending was Barry Letts' choice, but earlier in the story it's still clear from the Brig's dialogue that he was going to seal the base, not destroy it. I've never liked the TV ending; Malcolm Hulke was the best writer of the Pertwee years imo and liked to leave things more ambiguous. It still doesn't really make sense because the Silurans would simply have melted themselves a new exit and tried genocide against the 'apes' again, but it does fit the Doctor's character at that time - escape was his first priority, not helping us.
The televised ending is also pretty intense for the time as well. When the ceiling comes down on Morka, the revival chamber in the background is opening up, which means that the Silurians in the shelter are waking up in time to die. That's a pretty shocking development for a Saturday teatime slot. It's got me thinking... I wonder if the Third Doctor took some time away from UNIT to deal with his feelings on the Silurians before coming back? A few weeks or so, to cool down. I don't think that part was changed at all. Only Morka visibly dies (and he's the villain so it's expected ) and in Malcolm Hulke's intended 'sealed in' ending, the other Silurians would presumably have gone back into hibernation. It's only the dialogue between the Doctor and Liz on the location filming that was changed and that changes our view of everything else.
It's a pro-pacifism ending which Barry Letts wanted, but in the original intent the Brig/UNIT took the neutral course anyway. I don't like the way the change turns the Brig. into a cold-blooded murderer, not at all. Whatever his orders said (and Geneva were his ultimate authority, not the UK government), he could still have sealed the base and reported that he'd destroyed it. 'The Minister' was hardly likely to go down and check!
And no, I don't think the Doctor did deal with his feelings. He's still furious at the start of 'The Ambassadors of Death.'
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Post by timegirl on Sept 3, 2020 18:39:27 GMT
A few more: I know they did this with 10 and RuthDoctor but I am surprised 12 never tried to turn himself into a human. Not to hide from enemies though, but because he was tired of living forever and was upset that Clara would die before him. It would make total sense during series 9 especially, with the way he was upset when he thought Clara was about to die in Last Christmas and in The Girl Who Died he was originally saving the immortality patch for Clara so he wouldn’t have to loose her. I think this would have been an interesting direction for them to go into and tie into the arch of the hybrid. Also it would be an interesting contrast to 10 becoming human in that 10 couldn’t imagine being a human for love but 12 becoming human because of love.
A take on the legend of sleepy hollow, seriously how has who never done anything with this story it would be perfect for Who! Tv or Big Finish!
A story with a future incarnation of Susan or a regeneration story for Susan in general.
Romana’s return/introduction to new who in a new incarnation. It would not be hard to reintroduce her and think of the brilliant actresses who could play her or potentially to show timelord gender swap going both ways have 13 meet a male incarnation of Romana.
A satire of the concept of the heartthrob Doctor. This is a new who element ripe for meta commentary, especially if it was applied to an incarnation of the Doctor that this trait isn’t normallly applied to🤔😁
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Post by grinch on Sept 3, 2020 18:50:55 GMT
A few more story ideas:
An adventure involving the Fountain of Youth. Could imagine the Doctor and Co being accompanied by some elderly millionaire desperately trying to stave off the inevitable. Or perhaps someone such as the Master (Geoffrey Beevers naturally) who wants its restorative properties.
This one was inspired by that music video from years ago (performed unfortunately by the rather distasteful Alex Day) but a story set entirely within the Doctor’s head. At least with this one I can see why they haven’t. Would probably be rather expensive trying to get all the previous incarnations for one story that would be nothing more than a glorified cameo.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 3, 2020 19:05:26 GMT
A few more story ideas: An adventure involving the Fountain of Youth. Could imagine the Doctor and Co being accompanied by some elderly millionaire desperately trying to stave off the inevitable. Or perhaps someone such as the Master (Geoffrey Beevers naturally) who wants its restorative properties. This one was inspired by that music video from years ago (performed unfortunately by the rather distasteful Alex Day) but a story set entirely within the Doctor’s head. At least with this one I can see why they haven’t. Would probably be rather expensive trying to get all the previous incarnations for one story that would be nothing more than a glorified cameo. Love both of these, I too have idea for a fountain of youth story in DW🤔(Keeping it to myself though in case I ever get the opportunity to do something with it though)😉 let’s just say it involves lots of social and meta commentary and songs 😎
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Post by sherlock on Sept 3, 2020 19:26:51 GMT
A few more story ideas: An adventure involving the Fountain of Youth. Could imagine the Doctor and Co being accompanied by some elderly millionaire desperately trying to stave off the inevitable. Or perhaps someone such as the Master (Geoffrey Beevers naturally) who wants its restorative properties. This one was inspired by that music video from years ago (performed unfortunately by the rather distasteful Alex Day) but a story set entirely within the Doctor’s head. At least with this one I can see why they haven’t. Would probably be rather expensive trying to get all the previous incarnations for one story that would be nothing more than a glorified cameo. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/A_Town_Called_Eternity_(short_story)
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Post by grinch on Sept 3, 2020 19:28:58 GMT
A few more story ideas: An adventure involving the Fountain of Youth. Could imagine the Doctor and Co being accompanied by some elderly millionaire desperately trying to stave off the inevitable. Or perhaps someone such as the Master (Geoffrey Beevers naturally) who wants its restorative properties. This one was inspired by that music video from years ago (performed unfortunately by the rather distasteful Alex Day) but a story set entirely within the Doctor’s head. At least with this one I can see why they haven’t. Would probably be rather expensive trying to get all the previous incarnations for one story that would be nothing more than a glorified cameo. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/A_Town_Called_Eternity_(short_story)Ah. Clearly I was mistaken. In my defence though, the idea of possibly including the Master was a complete coincidence. Just thought it would make sense considering Beevers Master is one of the more desperate incarnations.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 3, 2020 19:35:25 GMT
I'm surprised that OOT isn't doing the second/eighth teamup teased in "The Name of the Doctor".
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Post by timegirl on Sept 3, 2020 20:33:23 GMT
The Doctor and companion(s) on an actual road trip perhaps driving Bessie. With the Doctor complaining about having to travel like a human and visit more mundane travel spots like rest stops, motels, and tacky tourist traps.
This would most likely need to be big finish or other expanded media but a satire of Winnie the Pooh. Either with alien animals who act like the characters, land of fiction, or the Doctor and companions standing in for the characters.
Doctor and companion TARDIS sleep over complete with scary stories, karaoke, pillow fights, and pranks!
Twisted romantic comedy with the Doctor and the Master having to pretend to be a married couple with them alternating between trying to kill each other and secretly enjoying it.
I am shocked that in either tv or big finish they have never done a sci-fi take on The Nutcracker for one of the Christmas specials! There’s so many clever takes you could have on this! Even the villain, a multi headed rat king is a character you could instantly imagine in Doctor Who! Not to mention the main character is named Clara😉
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Post by grinch on Sept 3, 2020 21:19:01 GMT
I know this sort of has already been done in the Short Trips tale ‘Doctors and Dragons’ (and as much as I loved it I really wanted more) but I’d love to see them tackle a story where the Doctor and Co are thrown into a world of pure sword and sorcery. Personally, I suspect next years ‘For the Glory of Urth’ will tackle the subject matter.
Imagine a story where the Celestial Toymaker expands his repertoire and imprisons the Doctor and his companions in the setting of a tabletop RPG with he fulfilling the role of GM or Dungeon Master.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 3, 2020 21:58:28 GMT
Spoof of Great British Baking Show where the Doctor and companions compete in an intergalactic version.
Sci-fi take on Sweeney Todd, possibly with androgums standing in for Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett.
Story that combines the Medusa myth with the weeping angels.
Satirical story where the Doctor temporarily gets a makeover, and it causes all sorts of trouble and the Doctor and their companion(s) can’t decide if they like it or not.
Story where the Doctor and companions accidentally get mistaken for performers at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and now have to preform a show while also trying to track down an alien threat on the Royal Mile.
Animated episode that’s a Disney fairytale spoof.
Retelling of Pinocchio with a clockwork droid.
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Post by grinch on Sept 6, 2020 10:54:05 GMT
I believe it’s been alluded to several times in the Classic series but I think a story involving The Doctor meeting Hans Christian Andersen could be good fun. The First Doctor and a fairytale setting seem to go hand in hand after all.
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