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Post by Digi on Sept 15, 2020 19:09:18 GMT
Wild speculation: perhaps a title like “Dalek Universe” is more along the lines of if they were to do a Martha in the Year That Never Was box set or series and call it Master of the Earth or something like that. As in, it’s a setting dictated by a certain villain, but that villain doesn’t really need to appear more than twice (start and end/resolution).
Alternatively even if the Daleks were to be in every episode (which John says they’re not, and I take him at his word), would this really be so different than them doing Dalek Empire V, just starring the Doctor?
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Post by grinch on Sept 15, 2020 19:10:47 GMT
I must admit I’ve thought on it some more and I rather like the idea of this being set just before the Time War. A calm before the storm if you will.
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Post by jahawk2009 on Sept 15, 2020 19:13:42 GMT
I must admit I’ve thought on it some more and I rather like the idea of this being set just before the Time War. A calm before the storm if you will. We've seen the Time Lords pre-war through the Gallifrey series and the 8th Doctor Adventures, but we've never seen the Daleks' prep work, as it were. I hope we get a Dalek Empire at its most powerful here. Cunning, guile and malice in every creature. That's what I really want here - a deep dive. The previous 10DAs have been wonderful fluff, but with 9 hours to play with, BF can really do something with purpose here.
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Post by grinch on Sept 15, 2020 19:43:13 GMT
I must admit I’ve thought on it some more and I rather like the idea of this being set just before the Time War. A calm before the storm if you will. We've seen the Time Lords pre-war through the Gallifrey series and the 8th Doctor Adventures, but we've never seen the Daleks' prep work, as it were. I hope we get a Dalek Empire at its most powerful here. Cunning, guile and malice in every creature. That's what I really want here - a deep dive. The previous 10DAs have been wonderful fluff, but with 9 hours to play with, BF can really do something with purpose here. Absolutely. Especially curious to see what Davros gets up to in this. Rather surprising to think that up until tomorrow’s Time War boxset he’s been strangely absent from the War. Although I will concede that his lack of involvement in the War Doctor set could have just indicated that by that point he was either dead or otherwise out of the picture completely. That’s my head canon anyway.
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Post by inchmix on Sept 15, 2020 20:06:34 GMT
How do i pay off my home loan when they keep producing sets like this. 😊 2021 promises to be an expensive year
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Post by antartiks on Sept 15, 2020 20:17:08 GMT
Masterful in January. Master! in March. Dalek Universe in April. Rory's box set and the 9DAs in May.
... 2021 is shaping up to be one of BF's bests in my opinion.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 15, 2020 20:27:28 GMT
There's a line in the OP, "pulled out of time", but I find the notion puzzling.
Sure, the Time War is in 10's past. But the Time War is always going on at the various whens that it happened at (subject, I suppose, to the restriction that it is "time locked").
Events in Doctor Who time do not happen and then disappear. Postulate time travel and a given even always happened, is always happening, will always happen. Otherwise he'd never have to worry about 'crossing his own timeline', and he couldn't end up meeting himself. The events of any given episode are always happening at the place/time they are set. So there are always times when there are Movellans, when there are Mechanoids, when there is Davros. He doesn't need to be "pulled out of time" to run into them. He just has to land at the right (or is it wrong) place and time. ie, 12 deliberately popping in on a pre-Time War Movellan-Dalek battle ("the pilot").
It's sort of what irked me about the notion of being "Last of the Time Lords". He could always run into some pre-Time War timelord like Drax bumbling about somewhere, even after the Time War from the Doctor's own perspective. Or he could run into his pre-time war self.
So what, really, does it mean to say that ten is "pulled out of time"? He can already go anywhere or anywhen.
Is the idea supposed to be that the Time War involved a whole lot of rewriting and history, such that he is ending up somewhere/somewhen that should not exist because it was rewritten however many times? That's the only sense I can make of it.
There some to be a consistent idea that there is a Pre-Time War timeline and a Post-Time War timeline. Exclusive aspects of the Pre-Time War timeline include The Smugglers leading directly into The Tenth Planet (which changed in the War as established in First Doctor: Companion Chronicles Volume 2) and Bliss studying robotics rather than quantum physics (as established in Ravenous: Companion Piece). The novel Prisoner of the Daleks has the Tenth Doctor arrive in the Pre-Time War timeline when the TARDIS accidentally jumps a time track (as previously occurred in The Space Museum). So from that, it seems different timelines of the universe exist as different time tracks. In The Space Museum the TARDIS lands in a timeline where the crew have already been imprisoned as exhibits, though given the TARDIS crew are unable to interact with that timeline and eventually end up back in the dominant track perhaps it only made it halfway there. Other examples of jumping time tracks might include the Doctor and Sarah’s visit to the timeline where Sutekh escaped in 1911 in Pyramids of Mars, River Song visiting the Pre-Time War timeline in aforementioned Companion Piece and the Year That Never Was in R & J and the Fam’s visit to abandoned Earth in Orphan 55. The function of the Axis in The Axis of Insanity and Gallifrey Series 4 seems to be enable safe passage between the dominant time track and divergent timelines. So presumably what’s happening to Ten here is he’s been pulled back from the Post-Time War time track to the Pre-Time War one. Ie. The exact same thing as Prisoner of the Daleks. Though the synopsis seems to suggest this time it’s happened on purpose rather than by accident.
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Post by karldwilliams on Sept 15, 2020 20:27:56 GMT
Dawned on me that if you factor in the 9DAs, 10th Doctor stuff here and Out of Time and maybe more, River/Missy boxsets and we know we're getting Volumes 2 of Doctor Companion sets amongst other stuff 2021 may tip the balance into more NuWho stuff than classic for the first time potentially? Especially as beyond the one Fifth Doctor Out of Time and any Short Trips we don't know what 5-7 will be up to in the 9 month interim before their boxsets start up? Still no news on EAs which will be two maximum and 1 3DA plus the two Fourth Doctor sets. The future starts here maybe?...
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Post by karldwilliams on Sept 15, 2020 20:29:29 GMT
There's a line in the OP, "pulled out of time", but I find the notion puzzling.
Sure, the Time War is in 10's past. But the Time War is always going on at the various whens that it happened at (subject, I suppose, to the restriction that it is "time locked").
Events in Doctor Who time do not happen and then disappear. Postulate time travel and a given even always happened, is always happening, will always happen. Otherwise he'd never have to worry about 'crossing his own timeline', and he couldn't end up meeting himself. The events of any given episode are always happening at the place/time they are set. So there are always times when there are Movellans, when there are Mechanoids, when there is Davros. He doesn't need to be "pulled out of time" to run into them. He just has to land at the right (or is it wrong) place and time. ie, 12 deliberately popping in on a pre-Time War Movellan-Dalek battle ("the pilot").
It's sort of what irked me about the notion of being "Last of the Time Lords". He could always run into some pre-Time War timelord like Drax bumbling about somewhere, even after the Time War from the Doctor's own perspective. Or he could run into his pre-time war self.
So what, really, does it mean to say that ten is "pulled out of time"? He can already go anywhere or anywhen.
Is the idea supposed to be that the Time War involved a whole lot of rewriting and history, such that he is ending up somewhere/somewhen that should not exist because it was rewritten however many times? That's the only sense I can make of it.
There some to be a consistent idea that there is a Pre-Time War timeline and a Post-Time War timeline. Exclusive aspects of the Pre-Time War timeline include The Smugglers leading directly into The Tenth Planet (which changed in the War as established in First Doctor: Companion Chronicles Volume 2) and Bliss studying robotics rather than quantum physics (as established in Ravenous: Companion Piece). The novel Prisoner of the Daleks has the Tenth Doctor arrive in the Pre-Time War timeline when the TARDIS accidentally jumps a time track (as previously occurred in The Space Museum). So from that, it seems different timelines of the universe exist as different time tracks. In The Space Museum the TARDIS lands in a timeline where the crew have already been imprisoned as exhibits, though given the TARDIS crew are unable to interact with that timeline and eventually end up back in the dominant track perhaps it only made it halfway there. Other examples of jumping time tracks might include the Doctor and Sarah’s visit to the timeline where Sutekh escaped in 1911 in Pyramids of Mars, River Song visiting the Pre-Time War timeline in aforementioned Companion Piece and the Year That Never Was in R & J and the Fam’s visit to abandoned Earth in Orphan 55. The function of the Axis in The Axis of Insanity and Gallifrey Series 4 seems to be enable safe passage between the dominant time track and divergent timelines. So presumably what’s happening to Ten here is he’s been pulled back from the Post-Time War time track to the Pre-Time War one. Ie. The exact same thing as Prisoner of the Daleks. Though the synopsis seems to suggest this time it’s happened on purpose rather than by accident. That works for me!
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Post by x2magneto on Sept 15, 2020 21:22:30 GMT
Very exciting news. As described in the trailer, it appears that this takes place in the lost years or as it's nicknamed 'the farewell tour,' To me that spells new territory. In other words, the Tenth Doctor is poised to join the BF continuity properly. No more teeth cutting.
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 15, 2020 21:49:59 GMT
When exactly do we think this is set in the Specials? Before or after TLV? Personally, I think, from the trailer, it fits quite well just after The Next Doctor, even before Lady Christina and Gaby and Cindy from the Titan comics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 21:51:49 GMT
I was getting really excited reading this thread... and then somebody said it's not nine hours of Daleks!
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Post by constonks on Sept 15, 2020 21:57:29 GMT
I love that The Daleks Master Plan era has been expanded so much over the years:
Daughter of the Gods acts as a prequel, then we have Sara and Steven's travels between The Feast of Steven and Volcano, then we've had three separate sequels - one as a graphic novel (The Only Good Dalek) and two as audio series (Fourth Doctor Adventures Season 8 and now Dalek Universe). Not to mention every time Varga plants or time destructors have shown up!
I'd love to see some of the planets in that series revisited as well - Desperus, Mira, Tigus - whether in this series or elsewhere.
Oh, and obviously, wow! So much Tennant these days!
EDIT: Forgot about the River Song story with Anya coming out soon - Queen of the Mechonoids - however that fits into all of this.
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Post by ollychops on Sept 15, 2020 21:59:24 GMT
Well, that's quite the announcement! I know we'd found out tidbits about this beforehand but it's nice to have it confirmed and surprised to see that it's going to be such a big arc.
Admittedly, my knee-jerk reaction was feeling oversaturated with Daleks but there's a lot of other elements involved and I'm not complaining if it means more Tennant! It's especially good to see that BF are giving Ten an arc like the Eighth Doctor sets as opposed to standalone adventures, so it'll be nice to see BF get to flex their creative muscles even more when it comes to Ten!
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 15, 2020 22:06:50 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 15, 2020 22:22:37 GMT
Mad to think that between April and November next year, there's only one month currently without an Eccleston or Tennant release on the schedule... 3ish years ago if what we knew now was leaked, I think we all would have exploded with delight ! LOL. Mr. Eccleston.. every time I go into the BF site and I see that news report permanently front and centre of the front page.. *satisfaction* :-)
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 15, 2020 23:12:08 GMT
What's this? Dalek Universe has Daleks in it? Bah humbug, I say! On the other hand, I hear they work cheap and have a vested interest in the company, so I suppose it's okay. Just this once. Still have a bit of catching up to do with pre-orders but The Dalek Protocol is already pre-ordered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 1:34:33 GMT
I love that The Daleks Master Plan era has been expanded so much over the years: Daughter of the Gods acts as a prequel, then we have Sara and Steven's travels between The Feast of Steven and Volcano, then we've had three separate sequels - one as a graphic novel (The Only Good Dalek) and two as audio series (Fourth Doctor Adventures Season 8 and now Dalek Universe). Not to mention every time Varga plants or time destructors have shown up! I'd love to see some of the planets in that series revisited as well - Desperus, Mira, Tigus - whether in this series or elsewhere. Oh, and obviously, wow! So much Tennant these days! EDIT: Forgot about the River Song story with Anya coming out soon - Queen of the Mechonoids - however that fits into all of this. Yeah, it's rather fun to watch it all scale up. It has the same energy as something like Love and War which brought us Bernice Summerfield (after all, the planet Heaven would not exist without Frontier in Space). The forty-first century is growing quite a remarkable thread of consistent history and historical figures (an era populated by figures like Mavik Chen or Garius Moro from Memories of a Tyrant). I'm rather excited for this one. A Flash Gordon-style space opera sounds like a really interesting place to stick the Tenth Doctor. The "no TARDIS" qualifier in the news article has caught my eye too. (Side note: For the promotional artwork, those are some nice Space Security Service uniforms. I wonder if the costumes were borrowed from the crew who remounted Mission to the Unknown?)
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Post by constonks on Sept 16, 2020 2:33:24 GMT
@wolfie53 - Somehow I missed "no TARDIS" but now I'm even more sold on this!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 4:52:33 GMT
There's a line in the OP, "pulled out of time", but I find the notion puzzling.
Sure, the Time War is in 10's past. But the Time War is always going on at the various whens that it happened at (subject, I suppose, to the restriction that it is "time locked").
Events in Doctor Who time do not happen and then disappear. Postulate time travel and a given even always happened, is always happening, will always happen. Otherwise he'd never have to worry about 'crossing his own timeline', and he couldn't end up meeting himself. The events of any given episode are always happening at the place/time they are set. So there are always times when there are Movellans, when there are Mechanoids, when there is Davros. He doesn't need to be "pulled out of time" to run into them. He just has to land at the right (or is it wrong) place and time. ie, 12 deliberately popping in on a pre-Time War Movellan-Dalek battle ("the pilot").
It's sort of what irked me about the notion of being "Last of the Time Lords". He could always run into some pre-Time War timelord like Drax bumbling about somewhere, even after the Time War from the Doctor's own perspective. Or he could run into his pre-time war self.
So what, really, does it mean to say that ten is "pulled out of time"? He can already go anywhere or anywhen.
Is the idea supposed to be that the Time War involved a whole lot of rewriting and history, such that he is ending up somewhere/somewhen that should not exist because it was rewritten however many times? That's the only sense I can make of it.
There some to be a consistent idea that there is a Pre-Time War timeline and a Post-Time War timeline. Exclusive aspects of the Pre-Time War timeline include The Smugglers leading directly into The Tenth Planet (which changed in the War as established in First Doctor: Companion Chronicles Volume 2) and Bliss studying robotics rather than quantum physics (as established in Ravenous: Companion Piece). The novel Prisoner of the Daleks has the Tenth Doctor arrive in the Pre-Time War timeline when the TARDIS accidentally jumps a time track (as previously occurred in The Space Museum). So from that, it seems different timelines of the universe exist as different time tracks. In The Space Museum the TARDIS lands in a timeline where the crew have already been imprisoned as exhibits, though given the TARDIS crew are unable to interact with that timeline and eventually end up back in the dominant track perhaps it only made it halfway there. Other examples of jumping time tracks might include the Doctor and Sarah’s visit to the timeline where Sutekh escaped in 1911 in Pyramids of Mars, River Song visiting the Pre-Time War timeline in aforementioned Companion Piece and the Year That Never Was in R & J and the Fam’s visit to abandoned Earth in Orphan 55. The function of the Axis in The Axis of Insanity and Gallifrey Series 4 seems to be enable safe passage between the dominant time track and divergent timelines. So presumably what’s happening to Ten here is he’s been pulled back from the Post-Time War time track to the Pre-Time War one. Ie. The exact same thing as Prisoner of the Daleks. Though the synopsis seems to suggest this time it’s happened on purpose rather than by accident. Pre and post war timelines -yep I use it in my imagination and the Timelords never changed gender in Pretimeline.Which keeps me in my comfort zone🤪
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