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Post by Kestrel on Sept 17, 2020 0:27:36 GMT
Ahahaha maybe tonight. I've listened to a bunch of stuff this month I wanna post comments on, but I'm kinda burned out rn.
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Post by Ela on Sept 17, 2020 3:26:13 GMT
Wow, prodigious work. The search function in the forum is quirky, so this is much appreciated. Questions- Should I remove entries that do not have linked discussion threads? EG Full Fathom Five?
- In the case of duplicates, I've linked to the older threads like so: [Old]. Should I remove the duplicate links for clarity? Some cases are kinda weird, for example 10DA Vol. 2 has one discussion thread for the entire boxset, and three separate threads for each individual story.
My answers to your questions (my personal opinion, not mod opinion): - Entries for which there are no threads: My preference would be to leave the entries and add links when a thread is started.
- Duplicates: We have tried to have one thread per release. In the past, when I had more time, I combined the duplicates into one thread. So if you become aware of duplicates, let me know and I will make them one thread also. I think it's just easier to keep track of discussion about a release if it's all in one thread (with certain very specific exceptions, which we can discuss when they come up).
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 17, 2020 6:10:37 GMT
There were only 5 or 6 duplicate threads, all of which are visible in the index as "[Alt]" links. The most annoying overlap, to me at least, is the 10DAs. All of the 10DAs have a single thread for each boxset, but there are -also- three threads for each of the individual stories in volume 2.
EDIT: And I finally posted my thoughts on 1DA Vol. 2. I can't really recommend anyone actually read them, as they are rather longer than I anticipated, and possibly irksome to some. But they're there. Mission accomplished.
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 17, 2020 8:58:04 GMT
Maybe one for the mods, but would this thread (and kestrel's great links) not sit better in sub boards so it doesn't get lost once all the new threads start coming in.
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Post by Ela on Sept 17, 2020 15:21:09 GMT
Maybe one for the mods, but would this thread (and kestrel's great links) not sit better in sub boards so it doesn't get lost once all the new threads start coming in. It's pinned, so it won't get lost.
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Post by Ela on Sept 17, 2020 15:27:37 GMT
There were only 5 or 6 duplicate threads, all of which are visible in the index as "[Alt]" links. The most annoying overlap, to me at least, is the 10DAs. All of the 10DAs have a single thread for each boxset, but there are -also- three threads for each of the individual stories in volume 2. EDIT: And I finally posted my thoughts on 1DA Vol. 2. I can't really recommend anyone actually read them, as they are rather longer than I anticipated, and possibly irksome to some. But they're there. Mission accomplished. I'll take a look at the duplicates when I get a chance. The 10DAs discussions on the box sets started when the box set was first announced, so it has a lot of pre-release discussion, as well as post-release discussion. The threads on the individual releases were started by someone who used to be very active here who liked to be first to start a release discussion thread. But, actually, it makes sense to have individual threads for the individual stories in the box set, as each was released as a single, also. So someone who's only listened to one of the stories can read the discussion of that story with a minimum of spoilers for the other stories. So this is one of those exceptions to the rule.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 17, 2020 22:04:36 GMT
Makes sense. I'm inclined to believe most of the weirdness is BF's fault. Like, I'm sure there's a similar reason why the 4DA discussions changed from being per-episode to per-set about halfway through.
I think one of the stories had three different threads, but I could have been mistaken. I didn't really read the threads, just grabbed the links--especially for stories I hadn't yet listened to. There are a lot of threads, especially at the far end of the forums, that aren't so much for discussion about the release, but discussion about the -news- of the upcoming release, which may or may not have included spoiler-y talk at the end.
EDIT: also, is it weird that I kinda wanna make a bunch of threads for stories I didn't feel otherwise worth discussing, simply because there isn't a thread for them yet? Like, I could totally find something to say about Landbound. There's not a lot to say about it, ya' know, but it's still a fun 3rd Doctor story that embodies everything I love about that era!
Nevermind the fact that I'm really annoyed by the two missing 8th Doctor threads. Not sure I remember enough about the 8DAs to make those threads, but I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to listen to them again. I had been meaning to give some of the McGann stuff a re-listen, eventually.
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 18, 2020 8:41:09 GMT
I'm having great fun reading some of the old threads on stuff like The Land of the Dead, etc!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 18, 2020 8:43:22 GMT
I'm having great fun reading some of the old threads on stuff like The Land of the Dead, etc! Interesting to go back and re-read your own posts, and compare/see if you still feel that way.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 18, 2020 10:05:22 GMT
Sometimes I feel like I can have totally antithetical opinions on the same thing depending on what day of the week it is.... Anyway... I've done it. I've started making new threads primarily out of a desire to complete the Index. I may have started down a dark road that can only lead to ruin. In my defense, the NABS range is no completely represented! I can at least promise I won't make any threads if I don't have anything to say, but... please, if any of y'all would rather I didn't, just let me know and I'll do my best to restrain this impulse. EDIT Okay so I've adjusted the formatting on the index a bit more, but I realize now there were a couple of questions I forgot to include earlier. - How is the font-scaling working for everyone? I've noticed some issues w/ how the index looks when snapped to half-screen on desktop, and some potential line issues on mobile. Should I try adjusting anything for clarity? I could try changing the font size -- EG set the headers to size 2 and the lists to size 1. (The default text size is 2).
- For some of the ranges I've included the relevant Doctors' numbers in parenthesis. EG Short Trips, Monthly Range. I don't know that they're necessary, and worry they might clutter up the index unnecessarily. What do y'all think, keep or remove? On the one hand I think this is handy information to know when looking for a new story to listen to, but I imagine this Index is mostly only useful to people looking to find threads for stories they've already listened to, so the Doctor involved in any given story isn't really relevant information.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 18, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
Taking another look to just appreciate how much effort went into this. Thanks again Kestrel. I am also struck by just how many Main Range titles don't have discussion threads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
I used to love cataloguing my Doctor Who Books, Audio & Visual collection, but usually settled for annotating a comprehensive duplicate 'guide' style book. Nowadays I just keep a decent spreadsheet of missing gaps in each Big Finish DW range. The nearest I came to something like this was back in 2002 when I had graduated, to keep some skills going. I set up a Relational Database (multi tables linked) on Oracle via SQL (Structured Query Language) coding (text based interface) of all my VHS releases etc. I then linked it by ODBC driver to an MS Access GUI (graphical front end user interface). It passed the time in between job applications. I then printed out a selection of Query (search) results for a hard copy reference folder. Quite an effort, Kestrel and something that will prove valuable to the whole forum. Thanks indeed.
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 18, 2020 18:33:49 GMT
Agreed, good work kestrel, take the rest of the afternoon off.
If a new thread is created for one of the 'missing' ones, shall we note it here so you can add the linky-thing? Loads dont have our collected thoughts and muses, so let's get cracking!
Kestrel, I think counter measures should have vol 3 and 4, and The Cybermen should be 'Cyberman'
Counter-Measures Vol. 1 [Discussion] Counter-Measures Vol. 2 [Discussion] The New Counter-Measures Vol. 1 [Discussion] The New Counter-Measures Vol. 2 [Discussion] The New Counter-Measures Vol. 3 [Discussion] The New Counter-Measures Vol. 3.1: The Hollow King [Discussion] The Cybermen Vol. 1 [Discussion] The Cybermen Vol. 2 [Discussion]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 0:07:56 GMT
Can the 8th Doctor releases be renamed from Volume to Series? The first 4, at least, are only sold individually, so the word "volume" is incorrect. As for the later ones, "series" is always used anyway (though sometimes used to refer to each box set, sometimes the sets of four).
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Post by elkawho on Sept 19, 2020 14:31:44 GMT
I can't tell you how amazed I am at all of this work! Thank you Kestrel! It is much appreciated!
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Post by mark687 on Sept 19, 2020 14:58:56 GMT
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 20, 2020 4:05:34 GMT
Okay, so I've revised the formatting further and I think everything should be much clearer and more consistent now. If anyone has issues with line spillage (IE titles so long the entry spills over into a second text line) let me know, and if it's an issue I can try making the font size smaller, or try something else.
Currently I've got placeholder entries for future releases, so those'll be relatively easy to see and add links to when necessary, but--specially considering that I'm only really active on a handful of these boards--it'll be difficult for me to see new threads for older releases. If you'd like to bring any threads to my attention, you can either post a link here in this thread, or simply tag me in the relevant thread.
Also, if any Torchwood fan could weigh in on my organization of those ranges, I'd appreciate it. Does it make sense? Should I combine any of them (why are there so many, anyway?). And what's the deal with "The Story Continues?" I just followed the Wiki there, but it seems really bizarre to me that the very first release is numbered 5.
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Post by Echohawk on Sept 20, 2020 5:18:30 GMT
And what's the deal with "The Story Continues?" I just followed the Wiki there, but it seems really bizarre to me that the very first release is numbered 5. The TV series is parts 1-4, so because that range is "The Story Continues", it continues with part 5.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 20, 2020 6:13:46 GMT
That's... weird and annoying. I'd expect no less from Big Finish! So for the Index, then, should I: - Leave the list as-is despite the implication of missing prior audios?
- List the TV seasons as parentheticals so the numbers work out properly?
- Renumber the releases so that first audio is #1, second is #2, and so on?
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Post by Digi on Sept 20, 2020 6:19:40 GMT
Personally, I would vote for numbering releases in this thread as Big Finish has numbered them. It'll make cross-referencing with the Big Finish website more natural / less confusing.
Torchwood really isn't that confusing. They have their monthly range that started at #1 (just like the DW Monthly Range), their special releases range that started at #1 (just like the DW Special Releases range), their Torchwood One range that started at #1, and then just the Story Continues range that starts at 5, because it was created (in partnership with RTD) with a specific eye to advertising it as Series 5 following four series on TV (which had been created/showrun by RTD).
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