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Post by nucleusofswarm on Sept 19, 2020 0:07:57 GMT
Not talking about 'vote with your wallet', buy this not that - rather, I'm talking about direct input into the creative directions and decision of a media franchise. In the social media age, fans have gained renewed voice on various platforms, doing long, often detailed critiques of whatever the film or show concerned is, and I'm sure we're no strangers to 'what would I do' types of threads and discussions. But should fans get an actual voice in determining what does and doesn't get made, or is it just a gigantic mess waiting to happen and practically unworkable?
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Post by Digi on Sept 19, 2020 0:08:24 GMT
Absolutely not.
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Post by grinch on Sept 19, 2020 0:13:34 GMT
God no. Nothing would ever get done if that was the case.
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Post by bohnny on Sept 19, 2020 0:44:24 GMT
Simple ... NO
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Post by timegirl on Sept 19, 2020 1:09:16 GMT
Yes and No
Not as the main decision maker for what direction franchises take because I think creators should trust their instincts first before going to fan’s opinions. On the other hand, I do think franchises should give fans some influence, such as maybe in the case of tv and audio franchises having opportunities for fans to submit scripts (this would also help them find new writing talent they might not have looked at) .
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 19, 2020 1:43:20 GMT
Honestly certain franchises I would say yes
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 19, 2020 4:25:34 GMT
99% of the time No, but for certain franchises where .. u know.. go back to source material and start fresh. That's probably the main source of feedback..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 7:42:48 GMT
I recall that the main reason why the revived series of Doctor Who in 2005 was Canonical was due to the clout of Russell T Davies as a fan and 'must get' name for the BBC. Following on from the successful Reboot of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) which served as a a sort of dry run and which opened the door to a revived Doctor Who, it would have been far more likely to have been a full re-boot itself without an influential Fan at the helm. As it is, we got a direct continuation of the continuity going way back to 1963, which was not something either the Controller of BBC1 nor the Head of Drama would have been the least bit concerned about retaining.
And lets not forget that he looked to a few established fan writers to spread out the scripting duties.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 8:05:06 GMT
Never. A horrendous idea. A certain section of fandom are deluded in thinking they have some kind of ownership of their favourite show & that their opinion, which is often criticisms that the specific show isn't made exactly as they want it to be, must somehow be listened to & obeyed by creators. Its the sort of attitude that leads to pathetic things like petitions to get the Game of Thrones finale remade & the notmydoctor hashtag. Sadly this type of entitlement has been enabled by social media, where once they'd just moan amongst themselves these type of fans often shout the loudest & make boring egotistical youtube videos & memes. This gives them an inflated opinion of themselves & a sense of self-importance that what they say is somehow really important. As you can probably tell, I hate them.
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 19, 2020 8:22:39 GMT
Never. A horrendous idea. A certain section of fandom are deluded in thinking they have some kind of ownership of their favourite show & that their opinion, which is often criticisms that the specific show isn't made exactly as they want it to be, must somehow be listened to & obeyed by creators. Its the sort of attitude that leads to pathetic things like petitions to get the Game of Thrones finale remade & the notmydoctor hashtag. Sadly this type of entitlement has been enabled by social media, where once they'd just moan amongst themselves these type of fans often shout the loudest & make boring egotistical youtube videos & memes. This gives them an inflated opinion of themselves & a sense of self-importance that what they say is somehow really important. As you can probably tell, I hate them. Well to be honest I knew several friends that absolutely loathed the finale (not that I don’t blame them the finale was so cobbled together because the producers wanted to finish and go work on the Disney Star Wars trilogy after Rise) but In all honesty the entire season was wasted potential Honestly some fans are passionate and voice their concerns or thoughts on social media the producers don’t have to listen to them but good constructive criticism is paramount |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 9:05:36 GMT
Never. A horrendous idea. A certain section of fandom are deluded in thinking they have some kind of ownership of their favourite show & that their opinion, which is often criticisms that the specific show isn't made exactly as they want it to be, must somehow be listened to & obeyed by creators. Its the sort of attitude that leads to pathetic things like petitions to get the Game of Thrones finale remade & the notmydoctor hashtag. Sadly this type of entitlement has been enabled by social media, where once they'd just moan amongst themselves these type of fans often shout the loudest & make boring egotistical youtube videos & memes. This gives them an inflated opinion of themselves & a sense of self-importance that what they say is somehow really important. As you can probably tell, I hate them. Well to be honest I knew several friends that absolutely loathed the finale (not that I don’t blame them the finale was so cobbled together because the producers wanted to finish and go work on the Disney Star Wars trilogy after Rise) but In all honesty the entire season was wasted potential Honestly some fans are passionate and voice their concerns or thoughts on social media the producers don’t have to listen to them but good constructive criticism is paramount I didn't think the finale to Game of Thrones was brilliant but wouldn't sign a petition. I have yet to see much in the way of constructive criticism from these fans I'm referencing, these so-called passionate fans are often the ones who seem to rant & rave. If they want to do that they can I guess, but giving fans like that a level of real input would be disastrous. I like a lot of us here have posted many reactions to & opinions of shows & films but don't think anything I say should be given serious consideration by a showrunner. Or that my input is that important to those that make these shows. I also think this criticism that some fans do is a symptom of how we react to tv shows & films now. In the social media instant reaction age a tv show is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. Sometimes a tv show is just OK, which is fine. Not everything we watch has to be the most amazing life changing thing in the history of television or cinema. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Sept 19, 2020 9:11:42 GMT
I recall that the main reason why the revived series of Doctor Who in 2005 was Canonical was due to the clout of Russell T Davies as a fan and 'must get' name for the BBC. Following on from the successful Reboot of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) which served as a a sort of dry run and which opened the door to a revived Doctor Who, it would have been far more likely to have been a full re-boot itself without an influential Fan at the helm. As it is, we got a direct continuation of the continuity going way back to 1963, which was not something either the Controller of BBC1 nor the Head of Drama would have been the least bit concerned about retaining. And lets not forget that he looked to a few established fan writers to spread out the scripting duties. Not quite the question I'm asking: I'm not refering to fans who become industry people - I'm talking about outside input. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 9:26:26 GMT
Not talking about 'vote with your wallet', buy this not that - rather, I'm talking about direct input into the creative directions and decision of a media franchise. In the social media age, fans have gained renewed voice on various platforms, doing long, often detailed critiques of whatever the film or show concerned is, and I'm sure we're no strangers to 'what would I do' types of threads and discussions. But should fans get an actual voice in determining what does and doesn't get made, or is it just a gigantic mess waiting to happen and practically unworkable? One could interpret my response as being a case in favour of creative control by Fans with the ability to make commercially sound decisions. At the other end of the scale, there are those online who dismiss everything post 2005 as 'fan fiction' precisely because it is written and produced by fans and that they feel excluded or disenfranchised. Its a a more refined and selective input, but what we have onscreen derives from Fans creativity & knowledge. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 19, 2020 9:44:42 GMT
Ask yourself, what's worse? Something being awful because they listened to the fans too much, or something being awful because they *didn't* listen to the fans who warned how distastrous it would be?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 10:13:22 GMT
Ask yourself, what's worse? Something being awful because they listened to the fans too much, or something being awful because they *didn't* listen to the fans who warned how distastrous it would be? This presupposes that something is universally awful & that there is a single fan opinion that would make something better, feeding into that fan entitlement idea that seems more prevalent than ever nowadays. Fans are consumers of a TV show/film not creators. |
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Post by mark687 on Sept 19, 2020 12:05:54 GMT
If they didn't we wouldn't have BF OR 21st century TV Series! LOL
Seriously though and I mean this with all due respect is that not a big reason we have a Female Doctor? And that Jury seems to be out on how successful they think that's been so far.
Another example is Supernatural Cass, Angels, Crowley, brought into it in Series 4/5 by Series 6 fans were saying there was too much of them so start of Series 7 cut back on them resulting in a drop in ratings and a fan outcry of "Bring them back" that led to a sheepish "Sorry we were always going too" from Producers.
I guess my point is fans can /sometimes do have a say but in so doing have to take the rough with the smooth.
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Post by muckypup on Sept 19, 2020 13:52:37 GMT
i am not sure, i want to say yes....but i think fandoms feelings should be taken into account more than a direct input
sorry to bring up the star wars monster but look at the mess Disney has created with there blanket reset of the star wars universe, then made a worse mess with the films and even bigger mess with course correction
so absolutely fan feelings should have been listened to...
but as to direct input look at dr who, the fans have taken over the franchise and look at the mess thats in......hehehe
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 14:09:50 GMT
i am not sure, i want to say yes....but i think fandoms feelings should be taken into account more than a direct input sorry to bring up the star wars monster but look at the mess Disney has created with there blanket reset of the star wars universe, then made a worse mess with the films and even bigger mess with course correction so absolutely fan feelings should have been listened to... but as to direct input look at dr who, the fans have taken over the franchise and look at the mess thats in......hehehe The course correction of Star Wars, such as the sidelining of Kelly Marie Tran, seemed to be a reaction to fandom! The problems with the new Star Wars movies was not having a plan going into a trilogy. As for fans taking over Dr Who. That has not happened. Established writers have been involved since the revival who sometimes happen to be fans but that is not the same as the premise of this thread - random fans being given a say in the franchise. |
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Post by Digi on Sept 19, 2020 14:33:27 GMT
i am not sure, i want to say yes....but i think fandoms feelings should be taken into account more than a direct input sorry to bring up the star wars monster but look at the mess Disney has created with there blanket reset of the star wars universe, then made a worse mess with the films and even bigger mess with course correction so absolutely fan feelings should have been listened to... but as to direct input look at dr who, the fans have taken over the franchise and look at the mess thats in......hehehe Yes, how dare they throw away a few thousand sales of $10 books about the Solo children being kidnapped for the 4000th time in favour of multibillion dollar movies. I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank lol |
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 19, 2020 14:40:02 GMT
No. If fans want to have some creative control over a property they should train up with the necessary skills and get a job on that property, just like RTD, Moffat, Tennant, Gatiss, Capaldi and Chibnall did.
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