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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 19:47:39 GMT
When a teleportation accident goes badly wrong, Nyssa finds herself stranded on the freezing slopes of the Swiss Alps in 1963. But is it mere coincidence that she finds shelter in a snowbound school haunted by a malevolent poltergeist?
When the Doctor arrives, Nyssa and the other inhabitants of the school soon discover that the ghost is merely part of a darker, deeper and more deadly game involving rogue psi talents and something else... something not of this Earth.
Well continuing my quest to at least give Kestrel more work to do...another without a thread have not listened to this in a long time but am feeling a chill in the air...and if I remember it has a chill in its air too...here goes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 20:00:19 GMT
yep...cold audio ...not that the title gave anything away.I do enjoy an audio with just Nyssa and Peter am not sure Nyssa would work with any other Doctor as well as she does with Peter and this is pre {Spoiler} Charley but he India’s vocals...so distinctive
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 20:22:03 GMT
I had forgotten that Nyssa is basically driving this in the first episode by herself until the arrival of Peters Doctor who appears towards the end...it reminded me of one of my favourite scenes in an audio the arrival of the 7th Doctor in the elevator in House of Blue Fire another episode where the story is driven not by the Doctor but by others and these both work Peter arrives with warmth and you feel safe that he has arrived ,in House Of Blue Fire Sylvester arrives and you feel fear Of what is about to happen
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 28, 2020 7:50:01 GMT
Winter for the Adept isn't great, and I dont think the music helps which I've always found quite intrusive.
The performances aren't bad at all, and a real positive is the God-fearing Scottish head teacher. To say she is sexually frustrated to the point of insanity isn't far off the mark. She probably sleeps in front of the fridge with the door open to drive out the warmth.
I always bracket this one with The Land of the Dead, probably due to the naff front covers, both are meandering and a bit wishy-washy but I prefer 'Land' for comfort listening if nothing else.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Sept 28, 2020 7:59:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 8:20:24 GMT
It isn’t perfect but I did enjoy it I get that Nyssa was a slightly more tetchy Nyssa than we are used to but hey Sarah can play that aspect too....one thing I did love as I was listening in the dark this time was the squelchy transformation of the spillages towards the end it was quite an unsettling creepy effect and really worked in my imagination. I have played it a few Times over the years and I will again and given that it was among the earliest releases I forgive the cover 😂🤪
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 8:22:11 GMT
Winter for the Adept isn't great, and I dont think the music helps which I've always found quite intrusive. The performances aren't bad at all, and a real positive is the God-fearing Scottish head teacher. To say she is sexually frustrated to the point of insanity isn't far off the mark. She probably sleeps in front of the fridge with the door open to drive out the warmth. I always bracket this one with The Land of the Dead, probably due to the naff front covers, both are meandering and a bit wishy-washy but I prefer 'Land' for comfort listening if nothing else. Yes I can sympathise am a God Fearing sexually frustrated near the point of insanity Scot...it’s the weather 😉🤪
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Sept 28, 2020 20:52:15 GMT
I'm fond of Winter for the Adept as it one of the first seven BF audios I listened too. Nyssa is a strangely petulant in it, although her predicament at the beginning would justify that! I love Sally Faulkener as Miss Tremayne - someone who is right and yet someone to despise at the same time. The music is lovely too. It's only failing is it's 'too small a cast' with too many reveals; like I say Miss Tremayne is the only one to come out of it spotless!
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Post by polly on Sept 28, 2020 21:40:19 GMT
I quite like the setting and atmosphere of this one. Plus the daisy-chain of supernatural phenomena. What holds it back is simple inexperience, I think. It's one of the relatively few early releases where things are a little clunky and it feels as though the writer hasn't quite got the hang of the audio medium.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 12, 2021 14:21:55 GMT
This is perhaps BFs 1st miss-fire Release.
For obvious reasons the Writers clearly writing for 7th and Ace. Nyssa's in a outright strop and 5th's withholding info and drugging Young Women with "Tea" left and center.
Plot wise its a case of "don't forget to add your Alien" but then it doesn't add to the plot anyway. The plot would work just as well if Sandoz and Maupassant were members of a cult or organization that want to abuse to trios power.
Its also strangely mellow at Cliffhanger points.
I will say though the Piano worked for me particularly at the opening and close of the story
Oh its also the 1st instance of an Extended scene/Outtake at very end after the Promos for other stories. An extension of the "Shooting Star" exchange. Davison starts of very sincere then ends it very silly.
Overall its a
3/5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 14:59:10 GMT
This is perhaps BFs 1st miss-fire Release. For obvious reasons the Writers clearly writing for 7th and Ace. Nyssa's in a outright strop and 5th's withholding info and drugging Young Women with "Tea" left and center. Plot wise its a case of "don't forget to add your Alien" but then it doesn't add to the plot anyway. The plot would work just as well if Sandoz and Maupassant were members of a cult or organization that want to abuse to trios power. Its also strangely mellow at Cliffhanger points. I will say though the Piano worked for me particularly at the opening and close of the story Oh its also the 1st instance of an Extended scene/Outtake at very end after the Promos for other stories. An extension of the "Shooting Star" exchange. Davison starts of very sincere then ends it very silly. Overall its a 3/5 Regards mark687 It would be very interesting to get the writers and crew to do a What would you differently now slot if they ever do rereleases on Cd
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 13, 2021 11:45:52 GMT
Always one of my Xmas Listen List. Fun to hear Londo Mollari with a different Voice 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:32:44 GMT
This is perhaps BFs 1st miss-fire Release. For obvious reasons the Writers clearly writing for 7th and Ace. Nyssa's in a outright strop and 5th's withholding info and drugging Young Women with "Tea" left and center. Plot wise its a case of "don't forget to add your Alien" but then it doesn't add to the plot anyway. The plot would work just as well if Sandoz and Maupassant were members of a cult or organization that want to abuse to trios power. Its also strangely mellow at Cliffhanger points. I will say though the Piano worked for me particularly at the opening and close of the story Oh its also the 1st instance of an Extended scene/Outtake at very end after the Promos for other stories. An extension of the "Shooting Star" exchange. Davison starts of very sincere then ends it very silly. Overall its a 3/5 Regards mark687 I like it very much as others do, for its atmosphere and setting, plus that it works with a small cast and is not too complicated, which makes for an easy listen. The more it is pointed out that the dialogue and characterisation remains as intended for 7 & Ace shifts impressions somewhat from what had been an interesting change in tone from 5 & Nyssa. Anyone else think it worth the time and effort to get Sylvester & Sophie to re-record the relevant dialogue inputs to form an alternative cut? "Coming to Big Finish in 2022. Doctor Who - The Cover Versions..."
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 19, 2022 5:41:47 GMT
Really shocked to see this is MR 10. How have I not listened to this until now? I usually try to order my listening from oldest-to-newest....
Ah well.
Anyway:
This was a really fun story, overall. Perhaps a bit closer to the generic side of things than I'd prefer, but for being generic it's very well executed--scenes have energy and proceed at a nice clip, balancing the unraveling mystery and humor fairly well throughout. The framing device was also pretty fun, if a tad tonally discordant: the elder Allison recounting events has a pretty melancholy tone, whereas the story being related is far from sad, being more of a comedy/adventure thing. The two just... do not mesh.
Speaking of, it's the comedy that really bumps this one up to a 4/5 for me. The scene with the seance was especially fun. As was the implication at the end that both Allison and her pet ghost traveled along with the Doctor for a brief while. I didn't leave the story with the expectation that we'd ever see them again, but I'd still like to. The idea of an invisible ghost as a companion seems pretty interesting.
Quote of the story: "What do you mean, only theoretically?"
Moving on... anyone spend far too much time thinking, "gee, Peril sounds an awfully lot like Charlie." I really ought to have looked it up, because it kept distracting me through the whole story. (And yes, Peril is indeed voiced by India Fisher).
I also kept thinking of Babylon 5, because that one guy's accent felt so similar to Londo's... and the French teacher's accent so similar to Adria's. Once again, distracting me the whole way through. (And once again, yup, he was indeed voiced by the inimitable Peter Jurasik.)
Not a whole lot more to say beyond that. Though, really, it does need to be acknowledged that "spillager" is a deeply silly term. And the explanation was also quite silly--it being a portmanteau of, "spiller," and, "pillager." Makes me wonder if the writer was aware that, "spillage," is already a word.
And also made me want to see, "Villager," used as a portmanteau of, "villain," and, "pillager."
Last thing to add--a minor issue, perhaps even less significant back when the Monthly range was less than a year old--was how predictable the villains were. The elderly religious zealot is a baddie? Shocking. The middle-aged man who seduced a teenager? Whoever could've guessedSo. And the latter character--Sandoz?--felt pretty weird overall because the script never really treated his relationship with Allison for the creepy thing it was.
So: overall a pretty by-the-numbers plot buoyed by some solid humor, nice pacing, and delicious fanservice from certain beloved actors. Not necessarily a story I'd recommend, but certainly one I'd be happy to listen to again someday.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 19, 2022 10:53:42 GMT
Really shocked to see this is MR 10. How have I not listened to this until now? I usually try to order my listening from oldest-to-newest.... Ah well. Anyway: This was a really fun story, overall. Perhaps a bit closer to the generic side of things than I'd prefer, but for being generic it's very well executed--scenes have energy and proceed at a nice clip, balancing the unraveling mystery and humor fairly well throughout. The framing device was also pretty fun, if a tad tonally discordant: the elder Allison recounting events has a pretty melancholy tone, whereas the story being related is far from sad, being more of a comedy/adventure thing. The two just... do not mesh. Speaking of, it's the comedy that really bumps this one up to a 4/5 for me. The scene with the seance was especially fun. As was the implication at the end that both Allison and her pet ghost traveled along with the Doctor for a brief while. I didn't leave the story with the expectation that we'd ever see them again, but I'd still like to. The idea of an invisible ghost as a companion seems pretty interesting. Quote of the story: "What do you mean, only theoretically?" Moving on... anyone spend far too much time thinking, "gee, Peril sounds an awfully lot like Charlie." I really ought to have looked it up, because it kept distracting me through the whole story. (And yes, Peril is indeed voiced by India Fisher). I also kept thinking of Babylon 5, because that one guy's accent felt so similar to Londo's... and the French teacher's accent so similar to Adria's. Once again, distracting me the whole way through. (And once again, yup, he was indeed voiced by the inimitable Peter Jurasik.) Not a whole lot more to say beyond that. Though, really, it does need to be acknowledged that "spillager" is a deeply silly term. And the explanation was also quite silly--it being a portmanteau of, "spiller," and, "pillager." Makes me wonder if the writer was aware that, "spillage," is already a word. And also made me want to see, "Villager," used as a portmanteau of, "villain," and, "pillager." Last thing to add--a minor issue, perhaps even less significant back when the Monthly range was less than a year old--was how predictable the villains were. The elderly religious zealot is a baddie? Shocking. The middle-aged man who seduced a teenager? Whoever could've guessedSo. And the latter character--Sandoz?--felt pretty weird overall because the script never really treated his relationship with Allison for the creepy thing it was. So: overall a pretty by-the-numbers plot buoyed by some solid humor, nice pacing, and delicious fanservice from certain beloved actors. Not necessarily a story I'd recommend, but certainly one I'd be happy to listen to again someday. Peril and I think it did acknowledge the creepiness the Doctor makes several tight lipped remarks about it, he even notices that both girls seem highly impressionable, very rare in these early MRs for 5 to be emotionally aware, even if he's withholding info. Regards mark687
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 19, 2022 13:26:35 GMT
I think your right, I did get them switched. IIRC the script used Peril's name quite a bit (or maybe it just stuck out more) but not as much with Allison.
As for the creep factor, really the only one who calls it out is the headmistress... who is also written as a crazy person, so the condemnation feels rather toothless. There's not much in the script to indicate that it's a significantly bad thing--it's basically a shrug and a "what can ya' do?" at best, or a middle-aged male writer who desperately wants to believe middle-aged men hooking up with teenage girls is an acceptable thing--a depressingly common trope. And I'm kinda leaning toward the latter since it's implied that the other (even younger) girl is attracted to the Doctor.
Like I get that the Doctor might not be one to comment, but there were plenty of other characters who might've said something, not least of all Nyssa.
But I don't want to blow it out of proportion. It's an annoyance, but a minor issue. And I may be a bit sensitive to it because I listened to this story immediately on the heels of a LS that was extremely misogynistic.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 20, 2022 9:45:00 GMT
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 21, 2022 18:14:36 GMT
Hm... I can't say I thought Nyssa seemed out-of-character much, but I do agree that she was a bit under-utilized here. Overall I'd say--going back to these old 5th Doctor MRs--I'm finding that I really enjoy Nyssa as a companion. I think her dynamic and overall chemistry with Davison's Doctor works better than (m?)any of the other companions.
You could also say Winter is a bit unfocused, as it juggles... what, three different plot threads and three different villains? So it's hard to say it's really about any one thing. And the one thread linking everything together--the girls' latent supernatural abilities--aren't really developed much. It's just something they do unconsciously and unaware, which makes the overall effect little different, effectively, from Deus ex Machina.
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