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Post by timegirl on Sept 30, 2020 19:43:46 GMT
Do you have a favorite DW theory that you regularly go back to because it fascinates you so much?
Mine: The 12/Clara Beauty and the Beast parallel theory because it’s such a strong similarity that I sometimes wonder if it was intentional or not. Plus the parallel is executed in such an interesting way that I would love for it to be expanded on (maybe even explicitly mentioned) in BF or expanded media.
What are your favorite DW theories that never cease to leave your mind? Why do they fascinate you so much?
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Post by constonks on Oct 1, 2020 4:15:05 GMT
Anything about the Valeyard - but specifically I like thinking that the Eleventh Doctor created him during his years on Trenzalore, in roughly the way that the Valeyard described in Trial of the Valeyard. I waver back and forth on whether this is in an alternate timeline or not.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 1, 2020 11:50:36 GMT
Anything about the Valeyard - but specifically I like thinking that the Eleventh Doctor created him during his years on Trenzalore, in roughly the way that the Valeyard described in Trial of the Valeyard. I waver back and forth on whether this is in an alternate timeline or nor. Interesting 🤔😀I never thought of that before
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 12:52:21 GMT
Another theory I often come back to is that the Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations go after the Doctor regenerates. Sort of a village where they all live and do the things they like, and companions can come temporarily visit them if they get invited. I think I come back to this theory for this theory because it means favorite incarnations aren’t truly gone when the Doctor regenerates.
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Post by constonks on Oct 2, 2020 13:51:45 GMT
Another theory I often come back to is that the Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations go after the Doctor regenerates. Sort of a village where they all live and do the things they like, and companions can come temporarily visit them if they get invited. I think I come back to this theory for this theory because it means favorite incarnations aren’t truly gone when the Doctor regenerates. The past Doctors (and the future ones, in a sort of half-finished state) exist in an afterlife in the Doctor's mind in Timewyrm: Revelation, Zagreus and Into the Silent Land. ITSL calls it his "dream garden" whichever is a nice name IMO.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 13:54:21 GMT
Another theory I often come back to is that the Doctor has their own personal afterlife where past incarnations go after the Doctor regenerates. Sort of a village where they all live and do the things they like, and companions can come temporarily visit them if they get invited. I think I come back to this theory for this theory because it means favorite incarnations aren’t truly gone when the Doctor regenerates. The past Doctors (and the future ones, in a sort of half-finished state) exist in an afterlife in the Doctor's mind in Timewyrm: Revelation, Zagreus and Into the Silent Land. ITSL calls it his "dream garden" which is a nice name IMO. That’s lovely 😊 They should incorporate that into the tv series!
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Post by constonks on Oct 2, 2020 14:00:22 GMT
The past Doctors (and the future ones, in a sort of half-finished state) exist in an afterlife in the Doctor's mind in Timewyrm: Revelation, Zagreus and Into the Silent Land. ITSL calls it his "dream garden" which is a nice name IMO. That’s lovely 😊 They should incorporate that into the tv series! In Revelation, the First Doctor is a librarian there, the Third Doctor hangs out on a version of his childhood mountain (taking up the Hermit role), the Fourth Doctor is the ferryman, the Fifth Doctor is the Doctor's conscience (who has been chained up in a pit by Seven) and the Sixth Doctor has been locked away by Seven because he thinks he's dangerous. I remember I was (kind of still am) working on/imagining a fan "re-novelisation" of the Trial Season and wanted the Doc's dream garden to feature in the Valeyard's mind, so I had to figure out what all Doctors up to Smith were doing in there - the only ones I recall were that the Ninth Doctor was building things (as a sort of penance and healing) and the Tenth Doctor was just lounging on a beach (on a vacation from another vacation to a ski lodge or something). Oh, and I think I had Two as a travelling musician? And Six and Seven spending time playing games together, having long since worked out their differences.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 14:12:18 GMT
That’s lovely 😊 They should incorporate that into the tv series! In Revelation, the First Doctor is a librarian there, the Third Doctor hangs out on a version of his childhood mountain (taking up the Hermit role), the Fourth Doctor is the ferryman, the Fifth Doctor is the Doctor's conscience (who has been chained up in a pit by Seven) and the Sixth Doctor has been locked away by Seven because he thinks he's dangerous. I remember I was (kind of still am) working on/imagining a fan "re-novelisation" of the Trial Season and wanted the Doc's dream garden to feature in the Valeyard's mind, so I had to figure out what all Doctors up to Smith were doing in there - the only ones I recall were that the Ninth Doctor was building things (as a sort of penance and healing) and the Tenth Doctor was just lounging on a beach (on a vacation from another vacation to a ski lodge or something). Oh, and I think I had Two as a travelling musician? And Six and Seven spending time playing games together, having long since worked out their differences. Love it! This sort of thing makes me so happy 😊What do you think 12 is up to there now that he’s joined them?
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Post by constonks on Oct 2, 2020 14:23:01 GMT
In Revelation, the First Doctor is a librarian there, the Third Doctor hangs out on a version of his childhood mountain (taking up the Hermit role), the Fourth Doctor is the ferryman, the Fifth Doctor is the Doctor's conscience (who has been chained up in a pit by Seven) and the Sixth Doctor has been locked away by Seven because he thinks he's dangerous. I remember I was (kind of still am) working on/imagining a fan "re-novelisation" of the Trial Season and wanted the Doc's dream garden to feature in the Valeyard's mind, so I had to figure out what all Doctors up to Smith were doing in there - the only ones I recall were that the Ninth Doctor was building things (as a sort of penance and healing) and the Tenth Doctor was just lounging on a beach (on a vacation from another vacation to a ski lodge or something). Oh, and I think I had Two as a travelling musician? And Six and Seven spending time playing games together, having long since worked out their differences. Love it! This sort of thing makes me so happy 😊What do you think 12 is up to there now that he’s joined them? Finding my notes now, I've populated the place with NPC-style shadow people based on people the Doctor has met - rough sketchy imagined folks who aren't quite sentient - I could imagine the Twelfth Doctor trying to teach them some things, in his Series 10 Professor persona.
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Post by grinch on Oct 2, 2020 14:31:22 GMT
With all this talk of ‘dream gardens’ and the like I’m almost wondering what the Master and the Eleven’s would be like. I think for the latter it would be some charred wasteland where the other incarnations fight amongst themselves (both bickering and physically) while the Eight just watched on in shame.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 14:46:02 GMT
Love it! This sort of thing makes me so happy 😊What do you think 12 is up to there now that he’s joined them? Finding my notes now, I've populated the place with NPC-style shadow people based on people the Doctor has met - rough sketchy imagined folks who aren't quite sentient - I could imagine the Twelfth Doctor trying to teach them some things, in his Series 10 Professor persona. Yes and perhaps giving a few rock concerts as well!😁
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 14:48:53 GMT
With all this talk of ‘dream gardens’ and the like I’m almost wondering what the Master and the Eleven’s would be like. I think for the latter it would be some charred wasteland where the other incarnations fight amongst themselves (both bickering and physically) while the Eight just watched on in shame. The Masters dream garden would be some sort of gothic mansion where they all lounge around evening wear, swap stories about the Doctor and try to hypnotize and manipulate each other 😈
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Post by constonks on Oct 2, 2020 16:01:28 GMT
With all this talk of ‘dream gardens’ and the like I’m almost wondering what the Master and the Eleven’s would be like. I think for the latter it would be some charred wasteland where the other incarnations fight amongst themselves (both bickering and physically) while the Eight just watched on in shame. The Masters dream garden would be some sort of gothic mansion where they all lounge around evening wear, swap stories about the Doctor and try to hypnotize and manipulate each other 😈 Where nothing grows but Delgado's roses.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 2, 2020 16:11:19 GMT
The Masters dream garden would be some sort of gothic mansion where they all lounge around evening wear, swap stories about the Doctor and try to hypnotize and manipulate each other 😈 Where nothing grows but Delgado's roses. yes!
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 3, 2020 1:27:48 GMT
A couple that I’ve come up with over the years and have made into my own personal head anon.
1. The Doctor counts his age in his revived incarnations from when he regenerated into The War Doctor. As far as he’s concerned he died that day and counted his age from when 8 died on Karn. It also explains the change in way they regenerate since the show came back.
2. UNIT dating. The Brigadier did retire in 1977. Sarah did come from 1980. What we don’t have explained onscreen is that between Terror Of The Zygons and Pyramids Of Mars, the Doctor kept dropping Sarah off so she could continue working and he picked her up occasionally for the adventures In between and Pyramids happened in Sarah’s own 1980. Obviously she and The Doctor both went to the Brig’s retirement party but it was three years in the past by the time their encounter with Sutekh rolled around.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 4, 2020 2:01:55 GMT
Even though we never saw it onscreen 12 can sing really well in addition to his guitar playing and writes many songs about his adventures and current and former companions. He can also help heal people with his rock music!
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Post by levi3o4 on Oct 4, 2020 10:42:23 GMT
The Doctor didn't win in The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang. In fact, his "victory" was all part of the Silence's plan.
It's interesting that, when the Doctor most needed to reboot the universe, he had everything he needed - a perfect restoration field (the Pandorica), an engine with infinite power (the TARDIS), and some atoms from the old universe, which needed to be restored.
Of course, the old universe wasn't fully restored, was it? The Cardiff Rift was closed, at least according to Russel T. Davies. What other changes had snuck their way in?
We know from The Wedding of River Song that the Doctor's death at Lake Silencio was a fixed point in time that had been created; it had not occurred naturally. How was it created, though? When?
Let's look at all of this from a different point of view. Say you're the Silence, and you want to do everything possible to prevent the Doctor from reaching Trenzalore. How do you do it? Well, you'd need to create an immutable, fixed point in time. And how would you do that?
Well, perhaps you replace the universe with a nearly identical clone. You just need to introduce one teeny, tiny mutation - the fixed point.
So you start by modifying some cells atoms (still don't know how they did that; perhaps they traveled to an alternate universe where that actually was the case, and collected some atoms from there?). Next, the cloning process. Well, a restoration field would do the trick. But you'd need an infinite supply of energy. And, wouldn't you know it, only the Doctor has one of those.
So, they need the Doctor. And they need to motivate him.
So, they lure him in with the Pandorica. They put a gun to his head by destroying the universe. They give him all the tools he needs - the Pandorica again, loaded up with modified-universe-atoms. And, most importantly, they make him think it was all his idea.
After all, if there's one thing we learned in both The Pandorica Opens and in A Good Man Goes to War, it's that the Silence are pretty good at getting the Doctor to do what they want.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 4, 2020 11:20:17 GMT
Vashtra and Strax debts were owed to a Classic Doc 3rd,5th or 7th.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 4, 2020 14:07:55 GMT
The Doctor can take on temporary alternate forms of whatever their current incarnation is, this theory is a popular one for me because it’s fun to change the status quo once and while.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 9:58:43 GMT
Here's a bit of an innocuous one: I think admission to the Academy on Gallifrey is a multi-phase process (typical of Time Lord bureaucracy) that requires, among other things, clout. An easy enough thing to attain for Gallifreyans from ennobled and distinctive Great Houses, but for those on the wane or from the slums of Low Town, it's a lot more difficult. The Doctor had a lot of figures in his life that affected his particular path while he was still on-planet. Borusa was a teacher with a deceptive fondness for the boy, the Hermit taught him about the philosophical nuances of life, Omega was something of a childhood icon, Badger acted as nursemaid... I like to believe that Azmael was the one who stood up for the errant traveller and said: "No, this one has a bright future as one of the pioneering elite of our World. He can do great things, I am willing to put my reputation on the line to prove it."
I think the reason I come back to it was that Bill Hartnell, sadly fatherless all his life, also had a similar mentor called Hugh Blaker. Blaker helped shepherd him through some of the tougher parts of his upbringing. At one point, he acted as patron for Hartnell, paying for the boy's attendance at the Imperial Service College. An institution attended at certain points by one of the Romanovs and the forefather of electric cars. Hartnell, however, found the strictures of the school too harsh and often bunked to do other things. Sound familiar?
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