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Post by muckypup on Oct 3, 2020 13:55:01 GMT
hi guys i am starting this thread as i am lost and other threads didn't seem right place to ask is there a proper website where all these items are listed in a check list order im really confused.....i seen the timeline but that not really any help with my problem i bought the defender of the daleks comics (bought all three before realizing the third one is a reprint of 1&2) but when arrive first page says this
what have i missed something epic.......surely its not from the annual....that's usually just a kid puzzle book these days genuinely confused....... can someone help.......
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Post by sherlock on Oct 3, 2020 14:00:23 GMT
That’s probably referring to the Thirteen/Ten Titan Comics crossover that was delayed till later this year due to pandemic. It hasn’t come out yet so no-one really knows what it’s talking about.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 3, 2020 14:14:09 GMT
Muckypup - you will want to get hold of the current issue of DWM, as its TLV coverage includes reading/listening orders for each of the main characters (8, 9, 10, Brian, Daleks, etc). Quickly, though, as the next issue must be out in a week or so.
TLV begins for the 10th Doctor with "The Waters of Mars". Adelaide Brooke's death apparently shatters time, and the TARDIS falls down a hole, leading to the events of the first novel. Events develop from there for him.
Titan's contribution isn't part of 10's main TLV timeline, though. Instead it's a prequel, and takes place following the 13/10 teamup comic from earlier this year, which itself takes place concurrently with the 10th Doctor's appearance in "Blink".
There is subsequently going to be another 10/13 teamup comic entitled "Doctor Who Comic" but that's nothing to do with TLV as such.
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Post by muckypup on Oct 3, 2020 14:32:31 GMT
Muckypup - you will want to get hold of the current issue of DWM, as its TLV coverage includes reading/listening orders for each of the main characters (8, 9, 10, Brian, Daleks, etc). Quickly, though, as the next issue must be out in a week or so. TLV begins for the 10th Doctor with "The Waters of Mars". Adelaide Brooke's death apparently shatters time, and the TARDIS falls down a hole, leading to the events of the first novel. Events develop from there for him. Titan's contribution isn't part of 10's main TLV timeline, though. Instead it's a prequel, and takes place following the 13/10 teamup comic from earlier this year, which itself takes place concurrently with the 10th Doctor's appearance in "Blink". There is subsequently going to be another 10/13 teamup comic entitled "Doctor Who Comic" but that's nothing to do with TLV as such. im even more confused now......... so what you saying is there are other contributors timelines at work, nothing really marrys up and its all going to make my tiny brain explode....hehehe i got Dr who mag on ipad but not read it yet better have a look...i did read the comic that didnt seem to have much to do with TLV either...... thanks for help
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Post by mark687 on Oct 3, 2020 15:33:26 GMT
The Story Order (which IS NOT Release Order) should be in DWM (for instance BFs Echos of Extinction is the prologue for the 8th Doc and the epilogue for the 10th)
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 3, 2020 15:46:59 GMT
Blogtor Who have a great character timeline: www.blogtorwho.com/time-lord-victorious-blogtor-whos-exclusive-guide-to-the-timey-wimey-doctor-who-crossover/The “Previously...” in Defender of the Daleks has nothing to do with Time Lord Victorious. The Tenth Doctor in the comic has come directly from his encounter with the Thirteenth Doctor and the Weeping Angels, which is a recent Titan comic. Ultimately, all you need for Time Lord Victorious is the two novels, which follow the Tenth Doctor in the immediate aftermath of The Waters of Mars. Everything else is peripheral and details the involvement of the Daleks, the Eighth Doctor and the Ninth Doctor in the lead up to and after the big crossover in All Flesh is Grass. Think of it as less a story and more a setting in which different licences have contributed material for it.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 3, 2020 16:08:08 GMT
Blogtor Who have a great character timeline: www.blogtorwho.com/time-lord-victorious-blogtor-whos-exclusive-guide-to-the-timey-wimey-doctor-who-crossover/The “Previously...” in Defender of the Daleks has nothing to do with Time Lord Victorious. The Tenth Doctor in the comic has come directly from his encounter with the Thirteenth Doctor and the Weeping Angels, which is a recent Titan comic. Ultimately, all you need for Time Lord Victorious is the two novels, which follow the Tenth Doctor in the immediate aftermath of The Waters of Mars. Everything else is peripheral and details the involvement of the Daleks, the Eighth Doctor and the Ninth Doctor in the lead up to and after the big crossover in All Flesh is Grass. Think of it as less a story and more a setting in which different licences have contributed material for it. Well Ten has actually come from his encounter with Thirteen and the Sea Devils in a yet to be released comic rather than the Weeping Angel one, but this.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 3, 2020 16:14:28 GMT
Blogtor Who have a great character timeline: www.blogtorwho.com/time-lord-victorious-blogtor-whos-exclusive-guide-to-the-timey-wimey-doctor-who-crossover/The “Previously...” in Defender of the Daleks has nothing to do with Time Lord Victorious. The Tenth Doctor in the comic has come directly from his encounter with the Thirteenth Doctor and the Weeping Angels, which is a recent Titan comic. Ultimately, all you need for Time Lord Victorious is the two novels, which follow the Tenth Doctor in the immediate aftermath of The Waters of Mars. Everything else is peripheral and details the involvement of the Daleks, the Eighth Doctor and the Ninth Doctor in the lead up to and after the big crossover in All Flesh is Grass. Think of it as less a story and more a setting in which different licences have contributed material for it. Well Ten has actually come from his encounter with Thirteen and the Sea Devils in a yet to be released comic rather than the Weeping Angel one, but this. Oh, has he? I haven’t actually read the Weeping Angel story yet, but I could’ve sworn that it was part of the marketing spiel for Defender of the Daleks when they were talking about timeline for Ten and how it’s some time off The Waters of Mars, etc. yet. My mistake!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 3, 2020 16:16:06 GMT
so what you saying is there are other contributors timelines at work, nothing really marrys up and its all going to make my tiny brain explode....hehehe No, just think of it as a choose-your-own-path adventure book, except rather than deciding whehther your character goes left or right, you're choosing which protagonist you follow. So, you might follow the 9th Doctor all the way through, then go back to the beginning and follow the Daleks all the way through, then go back and follow the eighth Doctor all the way through, then go back and following Brian the Ood all the way through, and so on. And as you go on you'll see how things join up. It's not a one-and-done series, it's something that requires and will benefit from re-reading/listening. Ten has actually come from his encounter with Thirteen and the Sea Devils in a yet to be released comic rather than the Weeping Angel one[/quote] I stand corrected - tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Defender_of_the_Daleks_(comic_story) makes the same point. How complicated! (Actually, that's quite interesting, the idea that the teamup was devised as ongoing rather being a belated pick-up)
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 3, 2020 16:18:41 GMT
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Post by pazzer on Oct 3, 2020 18:13:40 GMT
This seems exciting but there is an overwhelming amount of stuff avaialble. Is there a simple list of all the stuff avaialble for this and where can buy it.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 3, 2020 18:34:41 GMT
This seems exciting but there is an overwhelming amount of stuff avaialble. Is there a simple list of all the stuff avaialble for this and where can buy it. Forbidden Planet is stocking all of the story items, except Echoes of Extinction. The download for that is available to pre-order from Big Finish and the vinyl is an Asda exclusive out 27th November. You can find a timeline of the product and their release dates here: www.doctorwho.tv/time-lord-victorious/None of the stories are difficult to obtain. Books available from all good stockists, DWM from all good newsagents and supermarkets, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 18:52:23 GMT
I would think of it in physical terms, like a trip to a a City, for an analogy. When in Rome, for instance, you may take priority to get to the Colosseum and St Peters as a must see and do. If you have time, then maybe the Trevi Fountain, Castillo de San Angelo (Mausoleum of Hadrian) & Circus Maximus. If you still have time and funds for the Taxis, then maybe the Forum and the 'Wedding Cake'(Victor Emmanuel II Monument) and so forth. Lots to indulge in, but with only so much time and money, there is a core 'visit' and 'pass through' (a reading of the synopses) of the rest.
I like to think of the TLV project on such terms. You don't need to take it all in to feel you have digested it in the main. If you did, I would be put off a 'visit'.
That at present seems to suggest the two BBC Books, then the 8th Dr BF CD's as the main products, then the Comic Book's and then the limited editions such as the Vinyl & DL only stuff on the periphery for those with more time & funds at their disposal.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 3, 2020 19:11:55 GMT
Yeah it’s basically a case of only needing to read the two books to get the actual story.
But if you’re interested in finding out what lead Eight and Nine to the point they’re at in the books, then you can read Monstrous Beauty and listen to the Eighth Doctor audios.
Likewise anything else is just additional stories that flesh out the TLV universe.
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Post by muckypup on Oct 3, 2020 19:22:27 GMT
i found this link really helpful thanks for that also i found tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Lord_Victorious_(series)a big help too...... i find it annoying and limiting that the novels are not available in an audio version, but i think i will get the knight one as it seems key to some aspects of the story....... still find it all a bit confusing but will try and get past that for now......perhaps the timey whimey aspect is a plus for some, but my brain finds it hard to put aside i now have the tools to help me follow the time lines and a read/listen order thank you to all for your help.... it really has made a big difference to me, you are awesome off to amazon to get that book now.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 19:43:30 GMT
i find it annoying and limiting that the novels are not available in an audio version, I suspect that they may/will be in time. Perhaps they want to push the book sales first, but David Tennant in particular was no stranger to audio readings for BBC Books back in the day (and very good he was too). The recent clearances via the BF website however suggests there has been a fair bit of unsold stock to shift as favoured listening formats change. I don't know how their current download business is like for viability beyond Audible credits for DRM compressed versions. I for one would prefer listening too. Changing habits and preferences as listening means I can multitask.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 3, 2020 21:05:47 GMT
There shouldn’t be anything confusing about it. I think you do have to have some initiative with these things. If you’re interested and potentially forking out a substantial amount of money then it’s only right to take some time to research it, particularly if you haven’t followed each announcement as it’s come out. Hopefully you’ve got the answers you wanted; I don’t think anyone can break it down much more than it already has on this thread.
I think they’ve perhaps placed a lot of emphasis on how all connected it is whilst also being perfectly standalone. It’s technically true, but I do appreciate that it looks overwhelming.
The books were the first announced, and are the only essential pieces of Time Lord Victorious, but I think they’re probably a little overshadowed compared to some of the other stuff. Particularly the audios with the actual actors and the DWM strip, with a rare piece of Ninth Doctor content.
I think it’s a fine line to promote. It’s more of a setting than a story, but perhaps they felt that didn’t sound as epic or encouraged jumping onto other mediums, which is the intention in the first place. I liked the character timelines they did, as they helped to focus better than the release timeline, but they’ve not emphasised that as much.
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Post by muckypup on Oct 3, 2020 21:16:43 GMT
i find it annoying and limiting that the novels are not available in an audio version, I suspect that they may/will be in time. Perhaps they want to push the book sales first, but David Tennant in particular was no stranger to audio readings for BBC Books back in the day (and very good he was too). The recent clearances via the BF website however suggests there has been a fair bit of unsold stock to shift as favoured listening formats change. I don't know how their current download business is like for viability beyond Audible credits for DRM compressed versions. I for one would prefer listening too. Changing habits and preferences as listening means I can multitask. But they even disabled the narration text to speech function on the kindle...... personally being dyslexic and failing eyesight means reading is a bit of a chore these days.....but I will cope and it’s more of a novella than a novel.....kindle says takes two hours to read......be more like two weeks for me.....lol
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 3, 2020 21:41:45 GMT
I suspect that they may/will be in time. Perhaps they want to push the book sales first, but David Tennant in particular was no stranger to audio readings for BBC Books back in the day (and very good he was too). The recent clearances via the BF website however suggests there has been a fair bit of unsold stock to shift as favoured listening formats change. I don't know how their current download business is like for viability beyond Audible credits for DRM compressed versions. I for one would prefer listening too. Changing habits and preferences as listening means I can multitask. But they even disabled the narration text to speech function on the kindle...... personally being dyslexic and failing eyesight means reading is a bit of a chore these days.....but I will cope and it’s more of a novella than a novel.....kindle says takes two hours to read......be more like two weeks for me.....lol Unfortunately there’s no audiobook readings immediately on the horizon and they seem to have gone quiet in recent years. Previously it seemed like every book got an audio out. The last Tenth Doctor book, In the Blood, only got an audiobook this year because of the RNIB reaching out on behalf of a fan. I don’t think it was read by anyone associated with the show, though. I wouldn’t put money on the two books getting audiobooks. Partially because there’s no longer the precedent and partially because TLV is all about getting people to explore different mediums so they probably don’t feel it’s a necessity. The lack of narration text to speech functionality is poor though. You’re right, though, The Knight, The Fool and The Dead is a glorified novella. It’s 178 pages in print and even then that’s a large font and a quarter of the page being wasted with oversized margins and blank pages in between chapters. Just take your time and enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 22:19:48 GMT
I suspect that they may/will be in time. Perhaps they want to push the book sales first, but David Tennant in particular was no stranger to audio readings for BBC Books back in the day (and very good he was too). The recent clearances via the BF website however suggests there has been a fair bit of unsold stock to shift as favoured listening formats change. I don't know how their current download business is like for viability beyond Audible credits for DRM compressed versions. I for one would prefer listening too. Changing habits and preferences as listening means I can multitask. But they even disabled the narration text to speech function on the kindle...... personally being dyslexic and failing eyesight means reading is a bit of a chore these days.....but I will cope and it’s more of a novella than a novel.....kindle says takes two hours to read......be more like two weeks for me.....lol I think I wrote on this thread a few weeks ago that the Books qualified more as Novellas owing to their pagination. Whatever, I am happy to read a summarisation of their content via reviews and dip into the Paul McGann Audio Dramatisations and the Delgado Master tale. The Tenth Doctor is David Tennant acting in character to me personally so I would be reading with a sense of 'if only/why not?'. It's a great idea to link the various formats of official, canon Doctor Who, but I am about two and a half decades out of frame to be into the paper chase.
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