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Post by tuigirl on Oct 9, 2020 8:20:03 GMT
Finished Master Thief. It was okay, I guess. I agree that it does not seeem to be connected to the TLV storyline, at least as of yet. I usually really like the Delgato Master, but I was a bit disappointed that they did nothing more than send him on an epic killing spree. This Master works best when he is in his natural habitat and facing off against UNIT, 3 and Jo, where he can use his charm and cross swords with the Doctor. On his own, I am not really convinced. For me, he just does not work as well on his own as the War Master does, or the amazing Missy. Something was just missing from this.
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Post by Andymac on Oct 9, 2020 17:49:39 GMT
It was a nice way to spend 90 min. I think both these masters need a Doctor or Doctorlike protagonist, unlike the newer incarnations. That's not to say I don't love them, it's just how their characters work.
Of the two I think Master Thief worked best as a story for me.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 10, 2020 15:28:29 GMT
Just finished Master Thief and it did feel like a prelude. Perhaps simply to the next story or perhaps to something or someone not yet known.
If it hadn’t come under the TLV banner I would have thought the main event was going to be Masterful.
Speaking of which I am using this short-trips to decide whether or not to buy the Limited Edition with the audiobook reading. Have hear this story I am not yet convinced.
As for the actual story I was disappointed with The Master’s plan, such as it was, I had expected a bit more sophistication from the Delgado Master.
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Post by jimmys on Oct 10, 2020 18:38:40 GMT
Not the biggest fan of Short Trips but these were enjoyable enough and Culshaw does some servicable impressions of Delgado and Ainley. Although there were times when his Ainley sounded too 1st Doctorish for me. Make me curious to see how either stand up in full cast audios
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Post by avgjoefriday on Oct 11, 2020 3:29:06 GMT
I really enjoyed Leaser Evil. I liked Master Thief but I just can’t make heads or tail of how it fits. It almost feels like a prelude for Masterful. And I assume we were supposed to get that he was regenerating... into Pratt/Beevers?!?
I also agree that Culshaw did a better Ainsley and given the cover of Masterful I feel like he will be playing him in that full cast audio.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 11, 2020 14:55:17 GMT
Lesser Evils now listened to and I cannot say I was very impressed with the first story, but this lived up to it’s name.
I think Jon Culshaw should have done a David Attenborough impression for the majority of this tale with the descriptions of the planet’s wildlife and fauna.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 11, 2020 14:56:59 GMT
I really enjoyed Leaser Evil. I liked Master Thief but I just can’t make heads or tail of how it fits. It almost feels like a prelude for Masterful. And I assume we were supposed to get that he was regenerating... into Pratt/Beevers?!? I also agree that Culshaw did a better Ainsley and given the cover of Masterful I feel like he will be playing him in that full cast audio. I don’t think that was supposed to be his regeneration. He makes a point of saying that regeneration isn’t necessary and wouldn’t fix the situation in any case.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 11, 2020 15:01:11 GMT
I really enjoyed Leaser Evil. I liked Master Thief but I just can’t make heads or tail of how it fits. It almost feels like a prelude for Masterful. And I assume we were supposed to get that he was regenerating... into Pratt/Beevers?!? I also agree that Culshaw did a better Ainsley and given the cover of Masterful I feel like he will be playing him in that full cast audio. I don’t think that was supposed to be his regeneration. He makes a point of saying that regeneration isn’t necessary and wouldn’t fix the situation in any case. I was left with the same impression as avgjoefriday and thought it a rather cavalier notion to basically waste such a momentous event in a short trip with no immediate payoff. Which is why I wondered if it would relate more to Masterful than to the Time Lord Victorious event.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 11, 2020 15:14:18 GMT
I don’t think that was supposed to be his regeneration. He makes a point of saying that regeneration isn’t necessary and wouldn’t fix the situation in any case. I was left with the same impression as avgjoefriday and thought it a rather cavalier notion to basically waste such a momentous event in a short trip with no immediate payoff. Which is why I wondered if it would relate more to Masterful than to the Time Lord Victorious event. The author herself has weighed in on this issue already it turns out.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 11, 2020 17:02:46 GMT
Finished it. And I have to say I will join the consensus in that yes, they were nice entertaining stories... but nothing really suggesting they were part of some great big epic. They were not even the best Master stories we had so far.
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Post by grinch on Oct 11, 2020 17:06:10 GMT
Haven’t listened to any of this yet but feel like in any case they’d leave a possible Delgado regeneration for an appearance in a main range or Third Doctor Adventure rather than just a Short Trip.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Oct 11, 2020 17:53:25 GMT
MY take on these two short trips are now up on CultBox: I enjoyed them, but also wonder about the links to the wider TLV story in the case of Master Thief. Above all, great for BF to be using these Masters though!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 14, 2020 15:14:48 GMT
Gave this as go as it was cheap but just confirmed that the Short Trips range isn't for me. All felt a little too Jackanory, didn't help that I'm not convinced by Culshaw's performance & I thought the stories were a bit dull. Not sure how it ties into the TLV saga as this is the first adventure within that arc I have listened to. Maybe I'll try some more like the new 8th Doctor release which is also a decent price tag for download.
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Post by grinch on Oct 18, 2020 17:31:31 GMT
I thought both stories were well written although I still have no idea how Master Thief is meant to tie into the events of Time Lord Victorious. Not to mention I have to agree that the Master’s plan didn’t seem particularly sophisticated or ingenious enough to have been devised by the Delgado Master. Kill everyone in your path seems more like the Eleven’s modus operandi.
The impression of Delgado was rather rough in places but I can at least see there’s room for improvement. As for it’s ambiguous ending? Well, I have my head canon but let’s just say I doubt Big Finish would leave something as momentous as Delgado’s Master regenerating to just a Short Trip.
Culshaw fares much better with his Ainley impression in Lesser Evils. And for what is essentially an extended discussion/debate between the Master and the Kotturuh, it brings up some fascinating points about mortality and the footprint one leaves behind. The depiction of the Kotturuh is great as well. Truly alien beings who decide the fate of entire worlds as easily as some other breathe.
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Post by nottenst on Oct 19, 2020 20:10:35 GMT
I thought they were both interesting, but I think further judgement has to wait for more TLV.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 5, 2020 11:11:27 GMT
Well they did Delgado's regeneration in a DWM Story where he faced 12 didnt they?
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Post by Andymac on Nov 5, 2020 12:01:47 GMT
Well they did Delgado's regeneration in a DWM Story where he faced 12 didnt they?
Didn't they also do it in one of the old BBC books? 8th Doctor I think.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 5, 2020 12:16:55 GMT
Well they did Delgado's regeneration in a DWM Story where he faced 12 didnt they?
Didn't they also do it in one of the old BBC books? 8th Doctor I think.
Yeah Legacy of the Daleks. He became decayed Beevers. But thats been retconned by Big Finish and everything else i think
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Post by constonks on Nov 6, 2020 3:43:59 GMT
Didn't they also do it in one of the old BBC books? 8th Doctor I think.
Yeah Legacy of the Daleks. He became decayed Beevers. But thats been retconned by Big Finish and everything else i think An Earthly Child, Lucie Miller, Doorway to Hell and The Two Masters combined give Legacy of the Daleks's canon so many bruises that at this point it has to be set in its own aberrant timeline. To recap (for those who care): - Susan and David can't have biological kids, so they've adopted three and called them Ian, Barbara and David Jr. - The Master goes straight from Delgado to Crispy Beevers. - The 22nd Century post-Dalek world is vaguely medieval in its culture, with knights and lords and such. - Susan ends up with the Master's TARDIS at the end. - The Doctor says he's seen the Master in only "two and a half bodies" since he was Delgado - count that however you will! - The second Dalek Invasion happens in 2199.
The interesting thing is you can literally skip that book and miss nothing other than that the Doctor gains a kitten, as it happens in between stories where he's looking for his lost companion...
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Post by jacobz40 on Jan 26, 2022 11:55:20 GMT
I continue to be impressed by Culshaw's Ainley impression. I hope there's an intent to pit him against Doctors 5-7 (at a minimum!) I don't find his Delgado quite as easy to get into, but I'd still be interested in seeing him pop up in the 3DAs.
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