dorney
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Post by dorney on Oct 14, 2020 13:19:37 GMT
I appreciate those who don’t like recasting, but I say this as someone who has acted semi-professionally as well as someone going into the entertainment industry. Very few actors I think are opposed to being recasted if they can’t be apart of the production for whatever reason. I can confirm this. I think we only get grumpy if we could have done it and they decide to go a different way, but even then it’s just part of the gig. Everyone’s still fine to like or dislike recasting, just saying that specific reasoning against it feels a little odd.
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Post by ollychops on Oct 14, 2020 13:28:55 GMT
Was a little on the fence at the initial announcement but hearing the clip has definitely won me over. More War Doctor is never a bad thing, and having Ohila showing up is an added bonus. I'm hoping that the BBC might let BF go a little darker than they did in the original War Doctor audios, because he felt very Doctor-ish in those and it didn't really distinguish him too much from the other incarnations, so since it's War's "origins" I hope they can go in a different direction with him.
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Post by Digi on Oct 14, 2020 13:30:10 GMT
I'm not even sure this really counts as recasting, as this will just be a much younger version of a character who we've really only ever dealt with when he was old. A bit like Obi-Wan in the SW films - Ewan McGregor wasn't replacing Alec Guinness, he was simply playing the younger version of Kenobi that we'd never seen before 1999.
So to me, this isn't even a recast. I'm in.
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lidar2
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 14, 2020 13:30:49 GMT
I appreciate those who don’t like recasting, but I say this as someone who has acted semi-professionally as well as someone going into the entertainment industry. Very few actors I think are opposed to being recasted if they can’t be apart of the production for whatever reason. I can confirm this. I think we only get grumpy if we could have done it and they decide to go a different way, but even then it’s just part of the gig. Everyone’s still fine to like or dislike recasting, just saying that specific reasoning against it feels a little odd. From what I have observed, the acting profession is a lot more pragmatic and less sentimental about recasting than fans and audiences are.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 14, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
I'm not even sure this really counts as recasting, as this will just be a much younger version of a character who we've really only ever dealt with when he was old. A bit like Obi-Wan in the SW films - Ewan McGregor wasn't really a recast, he was simply playing the younger version of Kenobi that we'd never seen before 1999. So to me, this isn't even a recast. I'm in. Agreed the only difference I can discern is his pitch is higher which you'd except from a younger version anyway. Regards mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 14, 2020 13:39:49 GMT
Sounds pretty good here, but it confirms my expectations that BF are filling the gaps again. I didn't have a great desire to find out what happened next after Night of the Doctor. As for recasts, it is inevitable as the actors sadly leave us & I don't mind. I guess it depends who is doing it, I really enjoy the 3rd Doctor range with Tim Treloar & the David Bradley 1st Doctor range as well which is of course a complete recast of the main actors. It does depend who they choose I guess, actors who can pull off the voice are better for me than impressionists who have limited acting talent. We may see less recast releases if all the 21st century Doctors decide to sign up, I wonder if the amount of work Tennant seems to be doing for BF is an indicator to other actors that it is a viable source of income, not just during the current situation but between jobs.
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Post by commonman on Oct 14, 2020 13:58:09 GMT
I hope the BBC will let this incarnation actually do morally grey actions this time around
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Post by grinch on Oct 14, 2020 14:04:04 GMT
Just think we might soon be able to listen to The War Doctor meeting The War Master. That’ll be something at least.
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dorney
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Post by dorney on Oct 14, 2020 14:13:21 GMT
I hope the BBC will let this incarnation actually do morally grey actions this time around Depends if that’s what you believe the War Doctor is. I’ve certainly always felt the message of ‘Day of...’ is that he isn’t the morally dubious monster his later incarnations believed.
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Post by nottenst on Oct 14, 2020 14:23:55 GMT
Just think we might soon be able to listen to The War Doctor meeting The War Master. That’ll be something at least. That would be quite interesting and I think would be irresistible to Big Finish.
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Post by commonman on Oct 14, 2020 14:25:39 GMT
I was under the impression that the BBC actually prevented writers to do so back then but I could have been misinformed then. It's certainly open to interpretation, I agree.
Even Moffat himself stated in Hell Bent that he never carried a gun
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 14, 2020 14:25:40 GMT
I hope the BBC will let this incarnation actually do morally grey actions this time around Yes. That was what was missing for me with the releases so far. I get that as a character the War Doctor sees himself in possibly a worse light than others do but if he doesn't exist in that morally grey area he comes across as not much different than other Doctors. Well, not different enough for me to be interested in further stories with him.
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Post by xlozdob on Oct 14, 2020 14:26:51 GMT
I hope the BBC will let this incarnation actually do morally grey actions this time around Depends if that’s what you believe the War Doctor is. I’ve certainly always felt the message of ‘Day of...’ is that he isn’t the morally dubious monster his later incarnations believed. We also know what the Doctor is capable of doing. The Time Lord Victorious. Like 12 says in Witch's Familiar, "sometimes, on a good day, if I try very hard, I'm not some old Time Lord who ran away. I'm the Doctor." What if War in his origins didn't try at all. I mean, it will probably not last long, but it would be interesting to see what his decisions are like when he's not even passively trying (like War does later on, even a little actively). A man so sure he's not the Doctor it's not even a conscious debate in his head yet.
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Post by Digi on Oct 14, 2020 14:28:22 GMT
I hope the BBC will let this incarnation actually do morally grey actions this time around Depends if that’s what you believe the War Doctor is. I’ve certainly always felt the message of ‘Day of...’ is that he isn’t the morally dubious monster his later incarnations believed. That's interesting....and was not at all my takeaway from Day of the Doctor. My read on it has always been that the War Doctor was a soldier who did distasteful things (morally grey) in war, but which could ultimately be forgiven because all soldiers are required to do distasteful things in war--but that the one unforgivable sin was that he had committed genocide against his own people, and that Day of was his redemption because that particular event hadn't happened the way later incarnations believed. So once they knew that that hadn't happened, they could live with the 'lesser sins' of his soldiering life. I neither expect nor want the War Doctor to be a war criminal, but had always assumed that 'morally grey' was a given.
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dorney
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Post by dorney on Oct 14, 2020 14:31:37 GMT
I was under the impression that the BBC actually prevented writers to do so back then but I could have been misinformed then. It's certainly open to interpretation, I agree. Even Moffat himself stated in Hell Bent that he never carried a gun I didn’t get any guidance, personally, but I was going in with that take. Others may have had things go differently! My take’s always been that the other Doctors accept him the moment they know he didn’t destroy Gallifrey. So he can’t have done anything that bad. That’s not to say he can’t be put in morally complex situations, but the message seems to be that he’s still the Doctor.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 14, 2020 14:32:06 GMT
I was under the impression that the BBC actually prevented writers to do so back then but I could have been misinformed then. It's certainly open to interpretation, I agree. Even Moffat himself stated in Hell Bent that he never carried a gun Apart from when he did in Day of the Doctor.
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dorney
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Post by dorney on Oct 14, 2020 14:34:03 GMT
Depends if that’s what you believe the War Doctor is. I’ve certainly always felt the message of ‘Day of...’ is that he isn’t the morally dubious monster his later incarnations believed. That's interesting....and was not at all my takeaway from Day of the Doctor. My read on it has always been that the War Doctor was a soldier who did distasteful things (morally grey) in war, but which could ultimately be forgiven because all soldiers are required to do distasteful things in war--but that the one unforgivable sin was that he had committed genocide against his own people, and that Day of was his redemption because that particular event hadn't happened the way later incarnations believed. So once they knew that that hadn't happened, they could live with the 'lesser sins' of his soldiering life. I neither expect nor want the War Doctor to be a war criminal, but had always assumed that 'morally grey' was a given. I mean, I basically agree. (Legion of the Lost has him wipe out a species, basically). But I’d say that morality is defined by the environment more than him as a person.
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Post by mbt66 on Oct 14, 2020 14:41:23 GMT
Just think we might soon be able to listen to The War Doctor meeting The War Master. That’ll be something at least. Or better yet have him meet the MacQueen Master with the opportunity of a potential Master regeneration involving the War Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 14:56:50 GMT
I see it as a case of 'and why not?'. So long as you have someone who can do a decent performance and not just an impersonators job, plus that there may be an untapped seam of stories that some of us want to hear, then you have a product and an audience. Like others here, I am not enthused with what I see as yet more box sets worth of shouty Daleks, but the character has room for exploration and there are clearly some good stories still to be had within The Time War setting. Or the First Time War, The Middle Time War or is it The Last Great Time War, or whatever.... As for recasting: 'Cast' your minds back to 1976 when Robert Holmes decides to resurrect his character of 'The Master'. Hinchcliffe: "But Roger Delgado hasn't been dead quite three years yet. Wouldn't want him turning in his grave."
Holmes: "That's not a problem. It will all be in the best possible taste"...
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 14, 2020 15:11:48 GMT
Wow, you turn your back on them for just four hours and see what they get up to, lol.
Well, that went straight onto the wishlist...
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