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Post by fingersmash on Nov 16, 2020 16:15:45 GMT
Finally listening to this. Does Peter sound older than usual in this first episode or is it just me?
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Post by avgjoefriday on Nov 17, 2020 4:56:55 GMT
Loved it! Dorney and company did a fantastic job.
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Post by timegirl on Nov 17, 2020 15:03:38 GMT
Absolutely loved both of these box sets! The twist was a good one although I sort of guessed where they were going because it was giving me a lot of Asylum of the Daleks vibes with the reappearing echoes who sometimes talked like Daleks. The ending for this boxset was amazing!
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 19, 2020 8:12:49 GMT
I'll be the odd one out here I think, but I wasn't that blown away by these releases. I thought Echo Chamber was particularly memorable for doing something a bit different, but the rest felt like pretty standard one-episode stories, and I've never really been a fan of the Main Range anthology releases. They'll have occasional standouts (like Echo Chamber), but they usually just feel a bit too short for me. But to each their own  On the whole, I think I would probably have enjoyed both releases a lot more if I hadn't known about the repeating cast "gimmick". If I hadn't known there was going to be this ongoing thread, I would have stood a much better chance of getting drawn into the mystery. Knowing in advance that the first seven episodes were going to be totally unrelated and standalone, I couldn't get myself to be excited about them. I wanted to know what Shadow of the Daleks was about, not the individual entries, and that meant only the final episode was actually going to deliver what I wanted. That's a problem with me though, not the release. I was slightly disappointed by the reveal though. When it came all I could think was "So, City of Death but with no memory...". It felt a little anti-climatic after all that build up. I don't want to be too much of a downer in an otherwise very enthusiastic thread though, so I'll leave it there |
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 21, 2020 16:14:14 GMT
I liked this, this was quite good.
Altogether a very good anthology, nice variety of settings and stories.
I liked that some were a bit more experimental and weird.
Also, this made very good use of the lockdown situation and it does not suffer from it- you do not even notice that this was recorded in lockdown.
Peter definitely is great in this.
Plus, the Daleks are only there in the background, which makes for a nice change (in a Dalek story).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 16:25:30 GMT
I'll be the odd one out here I think, but I wasn't that blown away by these releases. I thought Echo Chamber was particularly memorable for doing something a bit different, but the rest felt like pretty standard one-episode stories, and I've never really been a fan of the Main Range anthology releases. They'll have occasional standouts (like Echo Chamber), but they usually just feel a bit too short for me. But to each their own On the whole, I think I would probably have enjoyed both releases a lot more if I hadn't known about the repeating cast "gimmick". If I hadn't known there was going to be this ongoing thread, I would have stood a much better chance of getting drawn into the mystery. Knowing in advance that the first seven episodes were going to be totally unrelated and standalone, I couldn't get myself to be excited about them. I wanted to know what Shadow of the Daleks was about, not the individual entries, and that meant only the final episode was actually going to deliver what I wanted. That's a problem with me though, not the release. I was slightly disappointed by the reveal though. When it came all I could think was "So, City of Death but with no memory...". It felt a little anti-climatic after all that build up. I don't want to be too much of a downer in an otherwise very enthusiastic thread though, so I'll leave it there I get where you are coming from but I was really wary about another DALEK tale and I like the jigsaw aspect...could the tale have been done in one disk it probably could have . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 18:59:06 GMT
Just about to play the final part, I've enjoyed it, but after all that the juice better be worth the squeeze !!
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 21, 2020 19:11:55 GMT
I'll be the odd one out here I think, but I wasn't that blown away by these releases. I thought Echo Chamber was particularly memorable for doing something a bit different, but the rest felt like pretty standard one-episode stories, and I've never really been a fan of the Main Range anthology releases. They'll have occasional standouts (like Echo Chamber), but they usually just feel a bit too short for me. But to each their own On the whole, I think I would probably have enjoyed both releases a lot more if I hadn't known about the repeating cast "gimmick". If I hadn't known there was going to be this ongoing thread, I would have stood a much better chance of getting drawn into the mystery. Knowing in advance that the first seven episodes were going to be totally unrelated and standalone, I couldn't get myself to be excited about them. I wanted to know what Shadow of the Daleks was about, not the individual entries, and that meant only the final episode was actually going to deliver what I wanted. That's a problem with me though, not the release. I was slightly disappointed by the reveal though. When it came all I could think was "So, City of Death but with no memory...". It felt a little anti-climatic after all that build up. I don't want to be too much of a downer in an otherwise very enthusiastic thread though, so I'll leave it there I get where you are coming from but I was really wary about another DALEK tale and I like the jigsaw aspect... could the tale have been done in one disk it probably could have .Where is the fun in that? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 19:17:03 GMT
I get where you are coming from but I was really wary about another DALEK tale and I like the jigsaw aspect... could the tale have been done in one disk it probably could have .Where is the fun in that? No I enjoyed it as it was... |
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Post by Ian McArdell on Nov 21, 2020 20:00:48 GMT
My take on Shadow 2 is now up at CultBox: "... another varied bunch of stories, there are some great ideas at play here." |
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 21, 2020 20:48:51 GMT
Hm... well, that was interesting. Probably not a story, or set of stories I'd place near the top of my favorite MR stories list, but it's certainly up there. I've said it before, and I'll likely say it many more times going forward, but I really love these "short story collection" releases.
Overall this second set was very enjoyable, perhaps moreso than the first set, and far more engaging that I'd otherwise expect given how the same characters/actors are re-used in each story. Some bits landed better than others, though. The first story where the Doctor takes on the role of a right-wing radio crank? I think it may have erred a bit into the centrist delusion that caring about politics, or getting angry about politics, is an invalid reaction. It feels especially tone-deaf today, when the big political arguments are not so much about policy as they are about fundamental issues of morality and empathy. But maybe I'm reading too much into it....
I did love the ending of that p first story, though. But I am certainly one hell of a sucker for Daleks speaking mundane lines. Not sure how that bit is even possible with the ultimate reveal of what was going on, though... many of these stories make it seem as though the Daleks are conducting some kind of experiment, but as I understand it the big reveal of what is actually happening paints a very different picture. That the Daleks aren't in control of anything, and aren't even aware of what's happening, as the temporal weapon effectively created a number of contained, alternate universes populated by duplicated Kaleds, right? But then they also imply that many of these duplicate Kaled's were ejected out into the "prime" universe. I'm not really sure how to reconcile the two ideas, as they appear to be mutually incompatible, unless we assume that the first set's bookstore story was only set in a Time War metaphor situation by... coincidence?
I dunno. Big Finish billed this as a time war story, but didn't really do much to explain how it slotted into the war, or explain fully just what was going on. Another case of a resolution that was put-off for so long that when it came to satisfactorily resolving everything at the end, they just didn't have the time.
And, being honest, the whole Time War tie-in was pretty underwhelming... I can't help but think they took the least interesting possible approach to this story's resolutions. What's the point of writing a story like this if you're not going to give the Doctor a glimpse of his own future? It feels very odd and extremely out-of-character that the Doctor would get a brief glimpse of the impending Time War, yet demonstrate no real curiosity about it. It's not the kind of thing he should shrug off! They could have done so much with this story, but at the end of the day it just feels like another generic Dalek tale built on a weak premise that compares unfavorably to other, similar stories--NABS, for example, already did the Dalek-turned-Kaled thing to much greater effect.
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Post by dorney on Nov 22, 2020 14:36:40 GMT
Hm... well, that was interesting. Probably not a story, or set of stories I'd place near the top of my favorite MR stories list, but it's certainly up there. I've said it before, and I'll likely say it many more times going forward, but I really love these "short story collection" releases. Overall this second set was very enjoyable, perhaps moreso than the first set, and far more engaging that I'd otherwise expect given how the same characters/actors are re-used in each story. Some bits landed better than others, though. The first story where the Doctor takes on the role of a right-wing radio crank? I think it may have erred a bit into the centrist delusion that caring about politics, or getting angry about politics, is an invalid reaction. It feels especially tone-deaf today, when the big political arguments are not so much about policy as they are about fundamental issues of morality and empathy. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.... I did love the ending of that p first story, though. But I am certainly one hell of a sucker for Daleks speaking mundane lines. Not sure how that bit is even possible with the ultimate reveal of what was going on, though... many of these stories make it seem as though the Daleks are conducting some kind of experiment, but as I understand it the big reveal of what is actually happening paints a very different picture. That the Daleks aren't in control of anything, and aren't even aware of what's happening, as the temporal weapon effectively created a number of contained, alternate universes populated by duplicated Kaleds, right? But then they also imply that many of these duplicate Kaled's were ejected out into the "prime" universe. I'm not really sure how to reconcile the two ideas, as they appear to be mutually incompatible, unless we assume that the first set's bookstore story was only set in a Time War metaphor situation by... coincidence? I dunno. Big Finish billed this as a time war story, but didn't really do much to explain how it slotted into the war, or explain fully just what was going on. Another case of a resolution that was put-off for so long that when it came to satisfactorily resolving everything at the end, they just didn't have the time. And, being honest, the whole Time War tie-in was pretty underwhelming... I can't help but think they took the least interesting possible approach to this story's resolutions. What's the point of writing a story like this if you're not going to give the Doctor a glimpse of his own future? It feels very odd and extremely out-of-character that the Doctor would get a brief glimpse of the impending Time War, yet demonstrate no real curiosity about it. It's not the kind of thing he should shrug off! They could have done so much with this story, but at the end of the day it just feels like another generic Dalek tale built on a weak premise that compares unfavorably to other, similar stories--NABS, for example, already did the Dalek-turned-Kaled thing to much greater effect. Couple of answers - it’s not contained universes as such. It’s pre incarnations and opposed to reincarnations. And the Doctor can’t quite grasp the time war in the final episode. He’s not lacking curiosity, it’s just impossible for him to grasp at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 8:35:10 GMT
Highly enjoyable, with the exception of Castle Hydra which I didn't like at all, but then the concept had worn thin for me by then. The Bookshop was bar far my favourite. Dervla Kerwin stole every story IMO, brilliant. That said, not quite sure the final destination was quite worth the long trip, and I couldn't really figure how the Doctor had got pulled into the entire thing in the first place!
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Post by mark687 on Nov 30, 2020 14:12:53 GMT
DW MR Shadow of the Daleks 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:26 GMT
DW MR Shadow of the Daleks 2 Extended Interviews DL and PDF Scripts available in Accounts for Subscribers Regards mark687 Hooray! |
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Dec 2, 2020 13:46:28 GMT
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Post by nottenst on May 18, 2021 20:21:53 GMT
Definitely an interesting set of stories put together in these two releases. I thought it all wrapped up quite nicely explaining most everything.
I missed not have a nice photo of the cast, though. Lockdown.
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Post by Ela on Oct 20, 2021 1:40:06 GMT
I agree that the two releases made for an interesting set of stories. Quite interesting and planning on a re-listen at some point.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 20, 2021 19:40:32 GMT
I'm tempted to give them a relisten soon. Too. After Nightmare of the Daleks, because I feel like it could easily be "explained" by the gimmick at the heart of this duology's premise, but I may be misremembering the exact logistics of Shadows' plot.
I think it also helps that these short story collections are much easier to relisten to than the full stories.
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Post by grinch on Mar 18, 2022 19:26:42 GMT
I know we all probably experienced a bit of trepidation when it was announced that the Fifth Doctor would be entering the Time War but I have to say I thought this and the first part were simply brilliant.
Kudos to Big Finish making the best of a rotten situation and coming up with a quite frankly amazing conceit. If anything I think it just makes for further proof that the Fifth Doctor is just excellent when it comes to anthology stories.
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