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Post by shallacatop on Nov 23, 2020 10:43:53 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 23, 2020 10:49:47 GMT
I’m not 100% sure on the 3D style animation, but I really appreciate that they’ve taken the risk to do this. And I think a test on just the one episode is the best way forward to determine if it’s viable for future projects.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 23, 2020 10:56:45 GMT
Its BFs Animation division
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 23, 2020 10:58:54 GMT
Its BFs Animation division Regards mark687 I think Fury from the Deep was too. Big Finish Creative are essentially Planet 55, who worked on The Reign of Terror, The Tenth Planet & The Moonbase also. |
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 23, 2020 11:25:26 GMT
I called it!  Excellent news! I think the recon on the DVD did the job quite nicely to cover the missing ep, but an animation is almost always a better alternative  Can't wait to see it (and all the special features this version is going to have too!). |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 23, 2020 11:33:30 GMT
I'm split on the animation, will need to see more of it, but more hoping we get some actual bonus features this time.
(Seriously 2Entertain, you really couldn't have scraped something together for the original release?)
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 23, 2020 11:46:11 GMT
I'm split on the animation, will need to see more of it, but more hoping we get some actual bonus features this time. (Seriously 2Entertain, you really couldn't have scraped something together for the original release?) To be fair, they got the episodes back to the UK in March and needed to have the stories ready commercially by November. That's a pretty tight turnaround, especially considering that the majority of episodes released on DVD already had the VHS restorations as a base. All nine of the new episodes had to be fully restored from scratch (maybe ten - I believe the new copy of Web 1 was actually superior to the previously held copy), so that was also going to cut into the budget more than an average story would. Besides, if they'd got people together to record commentaries and whatnot, there would have been a significantly greater risk of the recovery leaking (I know we all pretty much knew something was coming well in advance anyway, but that's beside the point). I agree, it was an absolute shame to not have any special features (especially considering Deborah Watling was still with us at the time), but I can also understand why they chose not to make any. |
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Post by mark687 on Nov 23, 2020 11:54:51 GMT
I'm split on the animation, will need to see more of it, but more hoping we get some actual bonus features this time. (Seriously 2Entertain, you really couldn't have scraped something together for the original release?) Rumor was at the time they were literally out the door at the end of contract when someone at BBC said "These need to go on DVD" 2 Entertain said "Fine we need an Extras Budget" and BBC said "No you don't" Regards mark687 |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 23, 2020 11:58:10 GMT
I'm split on the animation, will need to see more of it, but more hoping we get some actual bonus features this time. (Seriously 2Entertain, you really couldn't have scraped something together for the original release?) To be fair, they got the episodes back to the UK in March and needed to have the stories ready commercially by November. That's a pretty tight turnaround, especially considering that the majority of episodes released on DVD already had the VHS restorations as a base. All nine of the new episodes had to be fully restored from scratch (maybe ten - I believe the new copy of Web 1 was actually superior to the previously held copy), so that was also going to cut into the budget more than an average story would. Besides, if they'd got people together to record commentaries and whatnot, there would have been a significantly greater risk of the recovery leaking (I know we all pretty much knew something was coming well in advance anyway, but that's beside the point). I agree, it was an absolute shame to not have any special features (especially considering Deborah Watling was still with us at the time), but I can also understand why they chose not to make any. I hadn't been previously aware of that. Thanks. |
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Post by number13 on Nov 23, 2020 13:27:22 GMT
I called it! Excellent news! I think the recon on the DVD did the job quite nicely to cover the missing ep, but an animation is almost always a better alternative Can't wait to see it (and all the special features this version is going to have too!). You did!
'The next arrival at Goodge Street station will be "The Web of Fear". Don't mind the gap - we've filled it with animation.' 
Love that 3D trailer, the style and implementation both look really good. Very exciting times for Troughton fans.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 24, 2020 9:29:21 GMT
It was reported a few years ago that this episode exists and was discovered along with the others, but then stolen by a private collector before it could be returned to the archive.
Does anyone know if this is true or apocryphal?
If it's true then it must mean the BBC have given up hope of getting their hands on the original anytime soon.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 24, 2020 10:11:18 GMT
It was reported a few years ago that this episode exists and was discovered along with the others, but then stolen by a private collector before it could be returned to the archive. Does anyone know if this is true or apocryphal? If it's true then it must mean the BBC have given up hope of getting their hands on the original anytime soon. It's definitely true - or at least it is true that it is believed to be held by a private collector. I was all over the news at the time and it was mentioned several times that all six episodes had been there when they first found them in 2011, but when they returned for them in 2013 ep 3 of Web was suspiciously absent. As for the BBC giving up hope, it's two totally different departments who deal with potential returns and Who animations. I've heard Phil Morris was asked about the animation on Facebook and he responded by saying that the animation was a business decision and had no bearing on loss or recovery (I trust the source on this forum dedicated to Doctor Who missing eps: missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/160695/thread ). So I wouldn't give up hope on the eventual return of Web 3, but I wouldn't hold your breath either (We've been saying this since we learned Web 3 was with the other episodes back in 2014, so if anyone has been holding their breath since then...) |
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 24, 2020 10:33:31 GMT
It was reported a few years ago that this episode exists and was discovered along with the others, but then stolen by a private collector before it could be returned to the archive. Does anyone know if this is true or apocryphal? If it's true then it must mean the BBC have given up hope of getting their hands on the original anytime soon. It's definitely true - or at least it is true that it is believed to be held by a private collector. I was all over the news at the time and it was mentioned several times that all six episodes had been there when they first found them in 2011, but when they returned for them in 2013 ep 3 of Web was suspiciously absent. As for the BBC giving up hope, it's two totally different departments who deal with potential returns and Who animations. I've heard Phil Morris was asked about the animation on Facebook and he responded by saying that the animation was a business decision and had no bearing on loss or recovery (I trust the source on this forum dedicated to Doctor Who missing eps: missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/160695/thread ). So I wouldn't give up hope on the eventual return of Web 3, but I wouldn't hold your breath either (We've been saying this since we learned Web 3 was with the other episodes back in 2014, so if anyone has been holding their breath since then...) Well presumably whoever took the business decision is of the view that the return is unlikely anytime soon. No one would start to invest money in a project like this if they thought there was a chance of the episode being returned when the animation was, for example, 80% complete because then their investment would have to be written off. That risk is obviously present for every animation but it is that bit higher in the case of the only one of the 97 missing episodes definitely known to exist.
So I'm pleased we are getting the animation and will certainly buy it, but there's a part of me that is a little bit sad as well.
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Post by polly on Nov 24, 2020 22:38:40 GMT
So much for Phil Morris and his magical stockpile of missing episodes.  IIRC he has claimed to know who has Web 3 but never gave any details other than implying the station manager in Nigeria stole it on behalf of someone else after Phil found the cans. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 23:01:40 GMT
So much for Phil Morris and his magical stockpile of missing episodes. IIRC he has claimed to know who has Web 3 but never gave any details other than implying the station manager in Nigeria stole it on behalf of someone else after Phil found the cans. Its difficult to say anything without being litigious, but he has had some stick online (twitter as usual) recently from some well known names and others, regarding the nature of its disappearance and actual whereabouts. As to facts, I know nothing except that his star has fallen somewhat since the big find in terms of the esteem and respect of many Who alumni. |
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Post by polly on Nov 25, 2020 2:04:32 GMT
Its difficult to say anything without being litigious, but he has had some stick online (twitter as usual) recently from some well known names and others, regarding the nature of its disappearance and actual whereabouts. As to facts, I know nothing except that his star has fallen somewhat since the big find in terms of the esteem and respect of many Who alumni. Well, there have been so many conspiracy theories swirling about, it's hard to pick out what was actually said and when, for a layperson like myself. I find the rumours interesting, and usually fun to read. But I've seen a few people around the internet still clinging to the idea of a massive haul wasting away in Morris' garden shed or something. If he's lost credit with some big names, maybe he implied himself into a corner? I haven't been following closely for quite some time now. Generally my stance on the missing episodes saga is this - until I have a shiny disc I can purchase, there's no point worrying about it. |
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Post by number13 on Nov 25, 2020 2:20:10 GMT
Its difficult to say anything without being litigious, but he has had some stick online (twitter as usual) recently from some well known names and others, regarding the nature of its disappearance and actual whereabouts. As to facts, I know nothing except that his star has fallen somewhat since the big find in terms of the esteem and respect of many Who alumni. Well, there have been so many conspiracy theories swirling about, it's hard to pick out what was actually said and when, for a layperson like myself. I find the rumours interesting, and usually fun to read. But I've seen a few people around the internet still clinging to the idea of a massive haul wasting away in Morris' garden shed or something. If he's lost credit with some big names, maybe he implied himself into a corner? I haven't been following closely for quite some time now. Generally my stance on the missing episodes saga is this - until I have a shiny disc I can purchase, there's no point worrying about it.Exactly. As one of the "no home video and almost no repeat broadcasts" generation I remember the moment I saw my first 'Target' novelisation in 1974 and found you could actually buy 'Doctor Who' and enjoy it not on Saturday and more than once!!!
So every release of every story - "lost" or not - in any form still seems an event when I never really expected to see any of them again, or ever if they were from before I started watching in 1971.
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Post by polly on Nov 25, 2020 2:31:11 GMT
Exactly. As one of the "no home video and almost no repeat broadcasts" generation I remember the moment I saw my first 'Target' novelisation in 1974 and found you could actually buy 'Doctor Who' and enjoy it not on Saturday and more than once!!!
So every release of every story - "lost" or not - in any form still seems an event when I never really expected to see any of them again, or ever if they were from before I started watching in 1971.
You know, I'm young enough that I've never known a world without widely-available home video. But I'm old enough that I do not trust digital with very few exceptions, so I always want a disc. To me, streaming is like a rental or a TV broadcast - it's ephemeral. So for missing Who, until I can have some kind of permanent archive of it, it is effectively lost whether it was junked 50 years ago, or safely hidden away in someone's attic. It's funny, I find I'm experiencing the opposite trajectory you did. You went from never expecting to see a TV show again, to having them all widely available. For me, we're going from getting anything you could possibly want on disc, to that method being abandoned more and more. I want to own The OA on Blu-ray. Except you can't. No such thing. No DVD either. It's Netflix or nothing. Maybe I can get Target to start novelising it.  |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 25, 2020 5:52:52 GMT
It was reported a few years ago that this episode exists and was discovered along with the others, but then stolen by a private collector before it could be returned to the archive. Does anyone know if this is true or apocryphal? If it's true then it must mean the BBC have given up hope of getting their hands on the original anytime soon. It's definitely true - or at least it is true that it is believed to be held by a private collector. I was all over the news at the time and it was mentioned several times that all six episodes had been there when they first found them in 2011, but when they returned for them in 2013 ep 3 of Web was suspiciously absent. As for the BBC giving up hope, it's two totally different departments who deal with potential returns and Who animations. I've heard Phil Morris was asked about the animation on Facebook and he responded by saying that the animation was a business decision and had no bearing on loss or recovery (I trust the source on this forum dedicated to Doctor Who missing eps: missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/160695/thread ). So I wouldn't give up hope on the eventual return of Web 3, but I wouldn't hold your breath either (We've been saying this since we learned Web 3 was with the other episodes back in 2014, so if anyone has been holding their breath since then...) No matter what episode they pick, there's a chance it will turn up. (Except maybe The Feast of Steven, which I think was never sold, so pretty definitely lost.) The "worst case" here is that we have an animated version and the original available. (Which is the case for several parts of The Faceless Ones and they already had those.) |
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Post by doctorkernow on Nov 25, 2020 22:16:08 GMT
Hello again.
Yes! I really love The Web of Fear, my first experience of it was the wonderful Terrance Dicks novelisation. This I picked up in the Cinema bookshop in Hay-on-Wye along with The Ice Warriors. My classmates couldn't understand my joy at finding them. I read and reread this book many times. Next I listened to the CD soundtrack. Creepy! Finally, When BBC Store folded I used my credit to buy amongst others, The Web of Fear. This was the first time I'd actually seen this story. It didn't disappoint apart from odd photo-story version of episode 3.
So, a new DVD with an animated episode 3 is a real plus for me. I do hope they put some good extras on. The Fury on the Deep DVD looked it had some great extras on it. The fact they include the colour and black and white versions is excellent. While the animations are never going to replace the originals, they are for me, an excellent way to get an idea how the missing story looked.
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Can't wait to see it (and all the special features this version is going to have too!).
IIRC he has claimed to know who has Web 3 but never gave any details other than implying the station manager in Nigeria stole it on behalf of someone else after Phil found the cans.
