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Post by melkur on Jan 1, 2021 21:02:20 GMT
Damn near perfect, damn near perfect (but then it could have been utter garbage and I'd still have loved it for the reference to Cardiff's favourite ex-police officer alone...)
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Post by muckypup on Jan 1, 2021 21:03:12 GMT
Well that sent me nicely off to sleep in first 10 mins.......lol
I rewound and watched it.........not really sure if it worked......... John Barrowman seemed to be channeling Alan rickmans panto sheriff from price of thieves shown just before......... The parts were all ok but didn’t seem to add up to much with the poorest of climaxes
And the departures well I didn’t get what I really wanted........and could have lived without the bike stuff........
As Christmas specials go (yes I know it’s new year) was not as terrible as some
As to the great revel........we swap one big ego comedian , for a slightly lesser ego comedian......hmmmmmmmmm
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Post by ollychops on Jan 1, 2021 21:08:20 GMT
Liked it enough, and thought it was a pretty good send-off for Graham and Ryan. Ryan and Yaz had some good moments and development. I adored that shot of the Doctor in the hovering TARDIS surrounded by Daleks.
I did find it very convenient that Robertson (or whoever orchestrated the Dalek-napping) knew exactly where the truck driver was going to stop for a drink. And that Leo managed to clone a Dalek mutant by himself from a tiny extract of DNA in very little time...
If there was one thing that bugged me, it's that I don't really buy the Doctor being locked up in prison and just... accepting it. I mean, maybe she tried to escape and failed but that was never mentioned.
But yeah, otherwise it was probably Chibnall's best script so far.
The John Bishop announcement on the other hand... I don't hate the casting, but after having such a crowded TARDIS, I was hoping Thirteen and Yaz could get some time on their own before bringing anyone else into the fold.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 21:44:34 GMT
I enjoyed that a lot. Solid alien invasion story, with some good character drama (even Grace appearing was a skosh too far for me.) I'm hoping some of the reconnaissance Daleks got away. I like their designs, and it'd be cool to have some potential civil war stories in the future. I guess if those Daleks can survive, consciousness and all, from a single cell, we probably haven't seen the last of them. The John Bishop reveal wasn't positively received in my household though. Well am out of TV land-don’t even know John Bishop so is it a good thing or a bad thing who the f knows had to leave before the end of the tale just caught Graham and Ryan I think leaving the crew or the yeuch FAM (hate that) but I liked what I saw of the story even Captain Jack apart from the obvious dye job was toned down a good bit since I last saw him but was pretty much ok but we have had Dalek civil war type before-pity they killed of the Prime minister because she is a phenomenal actress but overall pretty good story not highly original and will try to catch it on iplayer tomorrow maybe and I prefer the Dalek ray gun as red 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 21:48:12 GMT
Man...I really (and this obviously applies to us all) wanted to love this but almost everything felt like it has been done better elsewhere. It was a bit of New WHo Greatest Hits - but done by a solid, unspectacular cover band. It's the Asutralian Pink Floyd of Who eps. All the elements are there...but it's been done better elsewhere.
Daleks undercover for the UK Govt? Victory Of The Daleks. World leader killed on live TV? The Sound Of Drums. Dalek command ship in the skies? Journey's End. Iconic Who monsters fooling the public that they're safe? Death In Heaven Prime Minister over her head? Harriet Jones. American Businessman over his head with Daleks? Dalek Doctor trapped for years in solitude? Heaven Sent. Out of the shell Dalek on scientist's back controlling them? Resolution. And I'm sure you could add many examples here. I don't think you can just call them tropes or references - lots of these things this ep reused are quite specific iconography. Running through corridors is a trope. These lifts are just copy and paste jobs.
So much of it just felt like joining the dots and making a very generic Dalek ep. Giving them something new in look and genetics may have been interesting but kiling that whole strand off in their first appearance? What's the point? Harriet Walter was wasted, that was a throwaway part at best. It should have been beefed up but Chris Noth's return cut and his plot folded into Walter's PM. I full anticipate him to come back as President in S13 now and, honestly, I couldn't care less. He wasn't taking Daleks seriously, so why should the audience? The new Daleks were BRUTAL, gunning people down left, right and centre. To have Noth no-sell his fear of them, and give him no comeuppance leaves this very unrewarding.
Jack as exposition dump is fine but I'd love to have heard something like "Seems like Earth needs Torchwood back..." from him or The Doctor yet he too was just generic happy-go-lucky Jack from no fixed time and with no fixed goal that makes sense. And he's able to easily break out a prison that can hold an Angel? Well, OK...I'll buy that just about - but I liked the cinematography of the prison. There was more story there - but the breakout and back to Sheffield sequence took about 2mins. The notion of the "fam" struggling to deal with a Dalek invasion without the Doctor was raised and dropped like a hot kettle. Then Jack leaves off-screen? The Doctor sends her love to Gwen (did they not just have a ten sec video chat in Journey's End? Maybe BF have a REAL gap to fill here!) and we get no notion of what Jack has been up to or what he plans to do. As said above, just a notion that he's got a revived sense of purpose and wants to reboot Torchwood - that'd at least leave some story open instead of coming out of nowhere and leaving likewise. All those other times The Doctor was in trouble post-Tennant, I guess Jack knew Smith, Capaldi and Jodie till now would be fine without him, but this jailbreak was the time to act? For an ep with The Doctor in prison forever, Daleks galore and companions we know are leaving...there was a real lack of jeapordy. No-one seemed to be breaking a sweat here.
I bloody loved The Timeless Children and was so excited to see where this went. But this felt more like S11 Chibnall - an RTD fan-film version of the show rather than any new take. Yeah, there were positives - as I said, I really liked the new Daleks (RIP), Graham and Ryan's exit was heartwarming and tasteful - without laying the heartstring tugs too think. Yaz really does seem to have romantic feelings for the Doctor and with Mandip open to that being explored I think it'd be a great move. But there were far fewer positives than negatives for me. And they were mostly thematic.
I say "negatives" - nothing about them was inherently bad (except Noth's character) they were just dull. And my old creed, that I've bored people with for years on here is that I'd rather a bad story trying something than a dull, safe one. Sadly this was as middle of the road as it gets.
And it broke my - and RTD's - cardinal rule of Who. Leave something that'll get people excited to see the show back. There was nothing "in-story" that did this. John Bishops's casting announcement was fun but it's hard to see that he'll be much else than John Bishop.....fun, sarcastic Scouser. Is his casting worthy of an "Introducing..." trailer? He's surely just going to do what Graham did in the plots. WHen I've seen him in things like Route Irish and Fearless, he's not far off his own persona. He'll do fine I'm sure though....I'm kinda miffed not to get the first all girl TARDIS crew. That had potential for storytelling in itself.
So...this story leaves me with my last Who ep for a year being pretty poor. I hope Ryan and The Doctor's chat about her searching for her past builds to something and there's more to S13 than this as I felt like it was Jodie's weak first season again. Compounded by both a namedrop AND a shot of a P'Ting which sums it all up for me...doubling down on the bad. I had a teacher who said to me once "Do more of the good stuff, less of the bad stuff". Yeah....that, Chris. Please.
I was against the grain on here in disliking a lot of S11 and then again but in reverse I loved S12. I'm hoping the upcoming 8 part series is more the latter and not like this ep or S11, otherwise Jodie's era is going to be 1/3 for me in terms of good seasons. A season with eps as safe and cookie cutter as this ep was would leave me, sorry to say, eager for a new showrunner and lead actor. This was a real stepback for Jodie's portrayal, the plot, the writing and the villains.
I was SO onboard for S12, so there's still hope there. Yet this ep left me feeling flat with a loooong gap till the next run. At least the absysmal Battle Of Ravioli-KP Nuts at the finale of S11 had Resolution to cleanse the palette a few weeks later. I don't like feeling kinda numb about the show, it's something I've never really had. Yet...again - S12 being cut down gives me hope it can be tight, concise and give me more of the show's mythos being expanded and Jodie getting a lot more to work with. She deserves it.
Lizo, the BBC's entertainment correspondant, reckons this was the best ep of the Jodie era. I...man....I'd love to feel that but I just don't see anything in it to get me anywhere near that upbeat about this one. A 2/5 for me.
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Post by obluda on Jan 1, 2021 21:52:17 GMT
This John Bishop stuff is news to me. I watched the UHD on iPlayer, which ended on THE DOCTOR WILL RETURN (very Bond-esque!) and the Chibnall / Strevens credits, as an episode usually would. Seems a strange omission. Can anyone shed any light? Yeah, there was a post-credits scene. Will try and find a copy of it for you. EDIT: Got it.
It seems odd to introduce him as "John Bishop" rather than as his character.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 1, 2021 22:37:40 GMT
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Post by project37 on Jan 1, 2021 23:14:54 GMT
I enjoyed that! Quick highlights for me:
- The prison life sequence for the Doctor, really cool use of icons and familiar DW monsters. "Angela!!!" - The Doctor and Ryan having an extended conversation just on their own, beautifully played. Why did we have to wait this long? - Jack giving Yaz some helpful advice about enjoying the journey and understanding that the joy is worth the inevitable hurt. Also fully onboard with the hints that Yaz is navigating some feelings.
- That gorgeous shot of the Doctor standing in the TARDIS doorway confronting the Death Squad Daleks! - I have never heard of John Bishop before. My wife said, "Well, he's certainly handsome." No argument here. Just looked him up and saw that he and wife are currently fighting COVID. Wishing them the best and looking forward to welcoming a new companion (although I'm selfishly hoping for the Doctor and Yaz to at least have a few adventures on their own first!).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 23:25:03 GMT
I enjoyed that! Quick highlights for me:
- The prison life sequence for the Doctor, really cool use of icons and familiar DW monsters. "Angela!!!" - The Doctor and Ryan having an extended conversation just on their own, beautifully played. Why did we have to wait this long? - Jack giving Yaz some helpful advice about enjoying the journey and understanding that the joy is worth the inevitable hurt. Also fully onboard with the hints that Yaz is navigating some feelings.
- That gorgeous shot of the Doctor standing in the TARDIS doorway confronting the Death Squad Daleks! - I have never heard of John Bishop before. My wife said, "Well, he's certainly handsome." No argument here. Just looked him up and saw that he and wife are currently fighting COVID. Wishing them the best and looking forward to welcoming a new companion (although I'm selfishly hoping for the Doctor and Yaz to at least have a few adventures on their own first!). Audio Watchdog said the same to me on FB. It's probably taken for granted in the UK but he's a very, very successful comedian and presenter. His DVDs are perennial Christmas gifts and he's one of the mainstays of BBC comedy. He's done some serious acting as I mentioned above in my post but he tends to play to type. Which is fine - Bradley Walsh did and that worked great.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 2, 2021 0:16:39 GMT
Jipeee!!! So this finally found it's way onto iTunes. Who needs sleep anyways? The night is young and I have the weekend off.
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Post by pazzer on Jan 2, 2021 0:30:31 GMT
Never really drew me in and found my mind wandering to other things. Felt a bit depressing as fam seemed to have gone backwards and Doctor given up. Potential for interesting story line for Yaz. Prison did look amazing and was fun to play spot the monster. Am sure will be a list somewhere so will find out which ones I missed.
Jack was basically the sonic as he solved nearly all the problems. His appearance would have been worth it if only for the moment between him and Yaz where they discussed the Doctor. But that didn't quite work for me. So was left hoping for there to be a moment where he got shot by a Dalek.
As for the rest was basically Dalek greatest hits. Was half expecting Davros to make an appearance. Nice moment between the Doctor and Ryan. Departure was fine though strangely it felt like they should have already been gone as their story done awhile ago.
Overall wasn't what I expected but was fine.
Was excited for adventures with just Yaz and the Doctor. But now seems is going to be a new companion which is disappointing.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 2, 2021 0:37:50 GMT
Well, I thought that was a shedload of fun. I won't list all the reasons, because they're probably the same as others enjoyed. But there were some nice nods to the past, some good jokes, a slightly toned-down Captain Jack, some incredible special effects, lots of exterminations and a really good send-off for two favourites.
{Spoiler} I'm glad Graham and Ryan simply decided to leave the Doctor. That doesn't seem to have happened with companions/friends for a long time. Not until Grace, perhaps, all those years ago?
And I didn't realise John Bishop was going to be the new companion, which is heavily implied. Interesting ...
I just have one small question ...
{Spoiler} ... that Dalek/Service Drone we saw at the beginning, dousing the crowd with water cannons. Just where does he keep his water supply? The same place that Jack kept his vortex manipulator?
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 2, 2021 0:52:51 GMT
I mostly enjoyed that. Aside from a reference to the New Year, though, it didn’t feel “special”.
What I disliked: - The tea van popping up precisely where it needed to be (despite being signposted by the Secretary of Technology/ PM) - No mention of the gang from TTC and what they’d been up to (a reference would have been nice and tied up what happened to them) - who’s cleaning up the Dalek SAS ship wreckage? - Graham and Ryan’s scene at the end (a little too cheesy for me, and with reference to stuff that’s going on around the world, why bother leaving the Doctor when all that other stuff is happening on negate the reason for leaving the Doctor?)
What I liked: - pretty much everything else.
I enjoyed seeing the Doctor in prison and adjusting to life there, the break-out was a delight, although a little silly (Jack was ridiculously well-equipped for being in a prison that can hold a weeping angel). The fam’s reaction to the return of the Doctor was terrific and showed how they’ve changed and adapted. The Daleks (new and old) looked great. The cloned recon and his puppet were as chilling as ever (“Purchase orders” was excellently observed by Jack Robertson and raises a perfectly valid argument). Despite there being a ton of extras, the central cast was quite small and I think that worked in the episode’s favour. Like Davy, I noted the reuse of plot elements but I just shrugged it off: they’re tropes that Doctor Who uses a lot, and not just in earth-based stories, so to complain about a bunch all showing up like buses seems a little redundant. It could be lazy storytelling but since I enjoyed it, I’m going to give it a pass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 2:54:10 GMT
Was I able to watch it? Yep.
I watched a bunch of videos guessing as to what would happen, and I usually assume they would be wrong... But WOW none were close... And the sad thing is alot of those guesses would have been more enjoyable.
I'll say this, had this not been the special and just like a random episode, it would have been more enjoyable, but as a special it just kept falling short in expectations. The parts I enjoyed most was the Doctor is prison... And we all know how fast that was.
Normally in the Chibnall era there's a lot of talking, but this has so many just randomnesses. Like I'd have loved to have seen more about why and how Jack ended up in the prison. Why he left Torchwood for 19 years. How did he hear about the Doctor being in prison. Why is his vortex manipulator working so well?
One thing that was really weird to me, is why did it take so long to go to Japan? The TARDIS can literally go to the moon before you say let's go to the moon, but here The Doctor and Ryan had along conversation like they were on a plane. It made no sense.
I guess what I'm saying is, it was just underwhelming when there were clear moments to not be. There were some good ideas in place, but not the greatest execution. Will I add this special to my collection? Yes. Would I recommend it to a Jack fan? Nope.
Seriously, the execution was sooooo bizarre.
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Post by nottenst on Jan 2, 2021 3:05:10 GMT
Yeah, there was a post-credits scene. Will try and find a copy of it for you. EDIT: Got it.
It seems odd to introduce him as "John Bishop" rather than as his character. I thought that was his character name until I googled "John Bishop."
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Post by nottenst on Jan 2, 2021 3:18:15 GMT
All in all it was lots of fun. I'm glad that Ryan and Graham didn't sacrifice themselves to save the day.
I am also glad they had the line about Jack getting in touch with Gwen. I half expected Ryan and Graham to somehow join up with Jack to protect the Earth. When Ryan said he knew what he wanted to do now, I was wondering how he was going to accomplish that. I still don't think the psychic paper is enough. (Too bad The Doctor got rid of the spare TARDIS.) In any case, Big Finish has another series they can do when the actors feel like stepping into their roles again.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 2, 2021 3:20:45 GMT
Alright... I will just give my first impressions.
Might get a bit heavy on the spoiler tags...
1. One thing that struck me throughout was the heavy reliance on lighting. I think this worked very well. They played a lot with different kinds of lights, different colours, intensities, moods... I never noticed it that strongly before, maybe because this was really excessive.
But I liked that style. Only issue- what is it with all the lens flares? Ever since the Star Trek reboot this really has become a thing.
2. The ending actually had me in tears. But then I cry easily.
3. So do many secret dodgy British government meetings happen in rainy muddy forests? Maybe this is where Boris got his hairstyle from, after crawling through some dense undergrowth. In general, they are not even trying to show the British government as in any way competent anymore. For a national TV service, I am not really sure if this is maybe going a bit too far.
Yes, there is a long history of incompetent government officials in Doctor Who, but at least Harriet Jones got things done and she was maybe a good natured joke, but still competent. This is beyond a joke now.
I actually did fall into the good old German practice of "Fremdschämen", feeling embarrassed on someone's behalf.
I do not think you could do anything similar, on that scale, on German national television. Harriet Jones, yes. But this was borderline offensive.
At least this is what this looks like to me as an uninitiated foreigner.
4. I loved the alien prison. I thought the whole setup, including meeting the other inmates, was very well done. Again, I really adore what they did with the lighting and setting the mood through colours. {Spoiler} Plus, I loved the scene where Jack busts the Doctor out of the prison. Might well be my favorite scene.
In general, I think I liked this more than the last New Years special. It just felt kind of more focused, but maybe that was because of the smaller cast.
I also did not mind Captain Jack in this. He worked surprisingly well. I thought he would be just a gimmick, but he actually made me smile a couple of times. So this is a win.
As for the story and plot... I am generally not the biggest fan of the Daleks, and they have been overused in the past months (if you are a BF fan, that is). And this was not exactly the most original plot. {Spoiler} So this is basically Blood of the Daleks playing out on Earth, right? So Nick not only brought his voice modulator, but also some scripts...
However, again, the visuals were great, and check out the lighting in the Dalek scenes! Plus, I love how creepy they made the Daleks in these New Years appearances. Makes your skin crawl!
Otherwise, this was good, fun entertainment for an hour.
We even get some nice character scenes in, which are always welcome and have been often overlooked in the past. So I appreciate the quiet moments instead of non stop action.
Some heart, instead of 60 mins of Dalek go boom.
Another thing- have they listened to fan critisism or what? {Spoiler} I did not see the screwdriver at all. It was conspicuous for it's complete absence. That must have been a first in the recent series. However,
{Spoiler} the at least for me very unsatisfying Timeless Child story came up again. So it looks as if it is there to stay. Right, these are my thoughts so far. Think I should go to bed now. Maybe I will think about a few more things tomorrow.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 2, 2021 3:54:09 GMT
3. So do many secret dodgy British government meetings happen in rainy muddy forests? Maybe this is where Boris got his hairstyle from, after crawling through some dense undergrowth. In general, they are not even trying to show the British government as in any way competent anymore. For a national TV service, I am not really sure if this is maybe going a bit too far.
Yes, there is a long history of incompetent government officials in Doctor Who, but at least Harriet Jones got things done and she was maybe a good natured joke, but still competent. This is beyond a joke now.
I actually did fall into the good old German practice of "Fremdschämen", feeling embarrassed on someone's behalf.
I do not think you could do anything similar, on that scale, on German national television. Harriet Jones, yes. But this was borderline offensive.
At least this is what this looks like to me as an uninitiated foreigner.
Have a read of Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman in which the ducks in the pond at Regents Park have become incredibly fussy about bread because of the numerous meetings there by spies from different countries who are also feeding them to avoid looking suspicious. But do not watch Yes, Minister or its sequel series Yes, Prime Minister if you don’t like a series to be disrespectful of governments (please do watch them: they are hilarious). I think most shows get away with it by not applying a party name to the politicians being made fun of.
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Post by timegirl on Jan 2, 2021 4:05:13 GMT
I had mixed feelings about this special, here are my thoughts in no particular order:
Even though it was a bit derivative I thought some of the stuff with the Daleks was interesting, I like how they expanded on their ability to latch onto people’s backs and thought the scenes of the Dalek drones going up against the rioters was pretty chilling. I thought they could have done more with the human made Daleks working for the government.
I liked the prison scenes especially all the cameos of monsters and the little moment where 13 starts reciting “Harry Potter” by heart, but I was actually slightly disappointed Jack busted her out so soon. An episode with 13 in prison could have been a really interesting character piece!
I am glad they are setting up 13 and Yaz, it seems like Thasmin might happen which could be a compelling storyline if they build up the romance well!
Captain Jack seemed a bit one note other than his scene alone with Yaz which I thought was well done. His connection with 13 didn’t seem as strong and personal as it did with 9 or 10.
Interesting reference to Rose Tyler, I wonder if that means we might get an appearance by her and the Meta Crisis Doctor?
Discount Trump ( I can’t remember his actual name so that’s what I am going to call him) was slightly better used here than in “Arachnids” but I was kind of surprised 13 took him in the TARDIS. I was also surprised that the Daleks didn’t take him to see Davros when he said “take me to your leader.”
I am of two minds on Graham and Ryan’s exit, on one had it was interesting to have the first companion exit’s since Martha to be completely voluntary and not tragic, on the other hand it felt a bit underwhelming. I am glad we got the awkward but nice scene with 13 and Ryan, I feel like we needed more scenes like those. Who else thinks BF will eventually create a spinoff with Graham and Ryan as investigators of strange going’s on?! I liked the moment with Graham’s dead wife/Ryan’s gran I thought that was well handled.
As usual I had mixed feelings about 13, I try to like her I do but something about her just doesn’t connect with me the way other incarnations do. I just don’t feel emotionally connected to her the way I do say 12. She did have a few good moments like in the prison, a few quiet moments. Also what seems to be a furthering of her status as the modern 7. Especially in how she went about dealing with the Dalek problem which felt very “Rememberance”.
Like others have said this special feels very derivative. It was pretty much a greatest hits of the RTD era. Another issue I had with this special is it didn’t make me feel hardly anything. Whenever I watch DW, I always look to see if it makes me cry and if it makes my heart beat faster and this episode did neither. I liked a few things about this episode but it just felt a bit meh and middle of the road.
My thoughts on the new TARDIS team: Where an all female TARDIS team could be interesting, I am very curious about John Bishop! I don’t know anything about him but he gives off rough around the edges sexy silver fox vibes that definitely caught my attention!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 5:19:09 GMT
All in all... Yeah, I rather enjoyed that. The good? Nice to get a bit of globetrotting action back in after Spyfall and Praxeus last season. It's served the series well. The comparison of Osaka's vertical farming initiative to greater things in the future (circa the 5000s) was a nice touch. In a similar vein, I rather liked how understated Jack was here. In a story full of all sorts of winks and nods to the past 1, he's less a connection to the show's history and more a symbol of the lives lived by companions after the Doctor. It paints a hopeful picture for Graham and Ryan, I'm going to miss them both. I love the evolution behind the idea of the Dalek execution squads. The story's filled with some gorgeous cinematography and the lure in the vortex -- essentially blood on the water for the sharks -- has to be one of my favourite moments. It's just stationed there waiting for trouble. How many times has the TARDIS just slipped past these things undetected and we've never known about it? I wasn't too sold on the "redesign" of the Reconnaisance Dalek, but once it lit up in all its crimson glory, there was a real sense of presence behind the things. The wanting? I was kind of hoping that we'd get a bit more from the prison itself. As it stands, it's a nice bit of stage setting like the Eye of Orion or the Galapagos Islands. But maybe it'll be returned to in the future? I was a bit surprised about the bit towards the end with Robertson on the bridge, too. I was expecting it to be part of the Doctor's plan, but turns out, she just let him go (I would've thought she'd drag him back into the TARDIS). Incidentally, and this is definitely praise, Chris North's second turn for Revolution here put me a bit to mind of John DeLancie at points. Particularly given his fate. His delivery on some lines ("This is a PR disaster.") was just *chef's kiss* perfect. A solid romp with the necessary touch of heart. Revolution's reminded me, actually, that I haven't got Mistress of Chaos from Panini yet. I've ordered it just now. I never got to see how the arc there played out. Time to find out. 1 - Listen to the Dalek incubation vats, in particular. You'll recognise the noise from Genesis of the Daleks.
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