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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 18, 2021 12:16:55 GMT
See it’s the best of both worlds. BF get to market it as a Dalek release and get more money.
While we don’t have to endure three boxsets worth of Dalek stories. It’s a win-win.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Jul 18, 2021 14:05:48 GMT
John Dorney's said a couple of times that it had always been intended to be a sort of 'Terry Nation Universe', but that the title Dalek Universe was decided upon because it is a universe inhabited by the Daleks. Personally I don't think it's false advertising; the first set was never advertised to have Daleks in it and in the second set it was only The Trojan Dalek which was advertised as having Daleks in. then again, that's technically the only episode that doesn't feature any genuine Daleks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 14:46:13 GMT
John Dorney's said a couple of times that it had always been intended to be a sort of 'Terry Nation Universe', but that the title Dalek Universe was decided upon because it is a universe inhabited by the Daleks. Or, as is more likely, Dalek Universe was decided upon as BF thought it would make them more money. As the Whoniverse has been inhabited by Daleks since day one ... they haven't gone away yer know!
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Post by Chakoteya on Jul 18, 2021 16:11:30 GMT
Trojan done. Now there was a good story. A vocal tour de force from David, he really gets you caught up in the passion.
(thermostat says 28 degrees indoors with the curtains closed and no breeze to move them... phew.)
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Post by constonks on Jul 18, 2021 16:19:44 GMT
I felt a bit disappointed after hearing the first set, based on how it was marketed ... 'Dalek Universe' to me implies Daleks! I haven't bothered buying the second set, assuming it would be similar. Once bitten, twice shy and all that ... I'm not sure I'd put myself in the "really angry" category though. It is what it is. See, I would say the Daleks have some kind of presence in every single story! It's about a universe where the Daleks are on everybody's mind... Everyone has lost someone to the Daleks, almost every action taken is because of them somehow. And the arc appears to be specifically about how Earth plans to defeat the Daleks. And it certainly sounds like Vol 3 will be three episodes with Daleks in them! (Certainly the first episode will, and we've known the titles of the other two (at least the working titles) for ages and they're both to do with Daleks.
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Post by cjr on Jul 19, 2021 0:41:06 GMT
Having heard the first set, I came to accept this as Dalek Universe in the same way that Charley and the Doctor were in the Divergent Universe. The Universe has been influenced by the Daleks, they’re felt in everything even if they’re not the protagonists in every story. I couldn’t really take 9 stories in a row that were solely Dalek-centric.
But with sets 1 and 2, I’m loving the way the story is rolling out. Bring on volume 3!!
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Post by agentten on Jul 19, 2021 15:08:00 GMT
Finished this over the weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it. This is really shaping up to be a fantastic series and I'm excited for the conclusion. The close spaces between releases was also the right move as it's doing a lot to help maintain the narrative momentum of the series.
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Post by ollychops on Jul 19, 2021 16:04:25 GMT
Really enjoyed this set, with The Trojan Dalek being a particular highlight for me. Also I was happy to hear Oliver Harper to get a name-check in The Lost - as he only really shows up in 3 CC's, I feel like he kinda gets forgotten about, so it was nice to hear him referenced (as well as Lucie!).
I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed that the artwork for the third set spoiled two pretty big twists for this set. Given that he wasn't on the cover or even credited, it was kind of obvious Mark wasn't going to make it out of this set, and I figured that it was going to end on a cliffhanger involving River (especially since I accidentally saw a tweet from someone making a big deal about the last two words in the final episode...). But still great nonetheless.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 19, 2021 20:38:43 GMT
The close spaces between releases was also the right move as it's doing a lot to help maintain the narrative momentum of the series. Agree there. This release method would’ve benefitted other ranges, particularly the Eighth Doctor.
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Post by Chakoteya on Jul 20, 2021 16:25:18 GMT
Lost... and I'm done. Another vocal tour-de-force with (I assume) the principals providing the variant voices too where appropriate. Nice to hear a northern accent again. A bit timey-wimey at the end, but a 'logical' solution - not that we were given any clues as to how because that's just a standard Whovian technobabble resolution that the TV show has immured us to - and...
For goodness' sake. Her? Is that just because she was doing her next box set at the same time so it was simple to add into the fray?
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 20, 2021 20:42:27 GMT
I received my dispatch email for the cd. Has anyone in UK received their physical copy yet?
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 20, 2021 22:31:14 GMT
I received my dispatch email for the cd. Has anyone in UK received their physical copy yet? No, not as yet. Plus I haven’t seen a dispatch email either.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 24, 2021 1:54:27 GMT
My gut says 5/5 for these sets. Each is one story, really. It's brilliant. I suppose the last episode was a bit talky, and I get the tension between him and Anya..... ....but they set it up for more, didn't they? If it's "now that that's settled", they can move on.
I hope this means they're keen enough to keep recording that they'll do these and he'll do the other 10DAs.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 28, 2021 9:24:49 GMT
I received my dispatch email for the cd. Has anyone in UK received their physical copy yet? CDs have now been received in Middle England.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 28, 2021 9:25:04 GMT
I think I will need to give these stories another listen before I decide on a score. Unfortunately unlike the first set I do not feel compelled to listen to them again straight away.
It wasn’t nearly as much fun as I had hoped, but David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor continues to impress and entertain in equal measure.
The first story was interesting enough, but felt pedestrian after the previous set.
With the second, having listened to the Ann Kelso series recently I think that casting Blake Ritson as a villain in another story about genetic manipulation was a mistake. He has such a distinctive voice I kept wondering if there would be a twist to reveal him to be the same character…somehow!? As it was his presence for me was a distraction from the story.
All the stories were ok, but The Lost felt like a tv episode were they have run out of money. Perhaps it’s significance will become apparent in the final set, but it just felt like filler.
And speaking of the final set, that last line was a brilliant set up for the next set and still makes me eager for more.
I know it wasn’t in his episode, but I bet John Dorney came up with the idea for that line!
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 28, 2021 10:15:40 GMT
My take on DU2 has just landed at CultBox: the calm before the storm? I wish they hadn't revealed the third volume's cover so early! Regardless, a great set of stories.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 28, 2021 17:54:17 GMT
So.... one thing that continues to bug me a bit: the existence of a "pre-time War universe."
See, before this series was even thought up, one thing that always bugged me about the new series is that it simply made no sense that the Doctor could no longer run into any other Timelords who are in their own timelines pre-Time-War.
Right now, the 4th Doctor and Romana are running around Paris in the year 1979. They are always there unless and until that history is rewritten. As seven says in one of the BF eps, everyone he meets is both dead and alive. Similarly, Axos is always attempting to siphon energy from Earth in March 1971. And Caesar always crosses the Rubicon at a particular date and time. A time traveler can visit any of these, provided the historical event hasn't been changed by someone else.
So why couldn't post-Time-War doctors ever run into pre-time-war other timelords? It's not like Timelord incarnations are always lined up when they meet. We have Simm turning into Missy at some point during/before 12's reign. But then... 12 runs into Simm's Master, too. So while they may only visit Gallifrey chronologically (relative to their own timeline, that is), they seem to be able to run into each other out of sync. (There's also your multi-doctor stories).
It was suggested that the Time War rewrote history so comprehensively that the "pre Time War universe" does not exist anymore, and that this in some way explains why 11 couldn't accidentally run into the Beavers Master; why reboot Doctor was (temporarily) truly the 'last of the timelords'.
But now, there is very much a "pre Time War universe" and a "post Time War universe", and one can travel between them (albeit in the rather unique fashion presented here).
I probably shouldn't bother thinking much about it, but it does seem....odd.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Jul 28, 2021 18:15:42 GMT
So.... one thing that continues to bug me a bit: the existence of a "pre-time War universe." See, before this series was even thought up, one thing that always bugged me about the new series is that it simply made no sense that the Doctor could no longer run into any other Timelords who are in their own timelines pre-Time-War. Right now, the 4th Doctor and Romana are running around Paris in the year 1979. They are always there unless and until that history is rewritten. As seven says in one of the BF eps, everyone he meets is both dead and alive. Similarly, Axos is always attempting to siphon energy from Earth in March 1971. And Caesar always crosses the Rubicon at a particular date and time. A time traveler can visit any of these, provided the historical event hasn't been changed by someone else. So why couldn't post-Time-War doctors ever run into pre-time-war other timelords? It's not like Timelord incarnations are always lined up when they meet. We have Simm turning into Missy at some point during/before 12's reign. But then... 12 runs into Simm's Master, too. So while they may only visit Gallifrey chronologically (relative to their own timeline, that is), they seem to be able to run into each other out of sync. (There's also your multi-doctor stories). It was suggested that the Time War rewrote history so comprehensively that the "pre Time War universe" does not exist anymore, and that this in some way explains why 11 couldn't accidentally run into the Beavers Master; why reboot Doctor was (temporarily) truly the 'last of the timelords'. But now, there is very much a "pre Time War universe" and a "post Time War universe", and one can travel between them (albeit in the rather unique fashion presented here). I probably shouldn't bother thinking much about it, but it does seem....odd. Most Time Lords were conscripted into fighting in the Time War. Other than the Doctor, the Master, and a handful of others, all the Time Lords were on Gallifrey, and hence time-locked.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 28, 2021 19:02:04 GMT
So.... one thing that continues to bug me a bit: the existence of a "pre-time War universe." See, before this series was even thought up, one thing that always bugged me about the new series is that it simply made no sense that the Doctor could no longer run into any other Timelords who are in their own timelines pre-Time-War. Right now, the 4th Doctor and Romana are running around Paris in the year 1979. They are always there unless and until that history is rewritten. As seven says in one of the BF eps, everyone he meets is both dead and alive. Similarly, Axos is always attempting to siphon energy from Earth in March 1971. And Caesar always crosses the Rubicon at a particular date and time. A time traveler can visit any of these, provided the historical event hasn't been changed by someone else. So why couldn't post-Time-War doctors ever run into pre-time-war other timelords? It's not like Timelord incarnations are always lined up when they meet. We have Simm turning into Missy at some point during/before 12's reign. But then... 12 runs into Simm's Master, too. So while they may only visit Gallifrey chronologically (relative to their own timeline, that is), they seem to be able to run into each other out of sync. (There's also your multi-doctor stories). It was suggested that the Time War rewrote history so comprehensively that the "pre Time War universe" does not exist anymore, and that this in some way explains why 11 couldn't accidentally run into the Beavers Master; why reboot Doctor was (temporarily) truly the 'last of the timelords'. But now, there is very much a "pre Time War universe" and a "post Time War universe", and one can travel between them (albeit in the rather unique fashion presented here). I probably shouldn't bother thinking much about it, but it does seem....odd. The Doctor can run into old Masters. Eleven confronts Ainley in IDW’s Prisoners of Time and Twelve battles Delagado in DWM’s Doorway to Hell. So its not the case that classic stuff ceased to exist. There was a version of the universe before the Time War kicked off. Where Bliss studied robotics ( Companion Piece), where the First Doctor travelled directly from Cornwall to the South Pole ( First Doc Companion Chronicles) and Ogrons weren’t present when the Third Doctor encountered the Daleks ( Planet of the Ogrons). Then the Time War happened and time was altered, un-altered and altered again numerous times. Eventually the temporal cataclysm ceases, its battles inaccessible in a time lock, but the universe was changed. Now the First Doctor got detoured on the way to the South Pole, and always did, now Ogrons battled the Third Doctor, and always did, and now Bliss studied physics and travelled with the Doctor, and always did. Same universe, and all the things that once existed in it still do just potentially altered. So all the Masters are still running around somewhere, as are all the Doctors. (Tangent-Those examples are just specifics things it’s been explicitly said the Time War changed, you might also attribute literally any inconsistencies between classics and new series to these alterations. For example, I theorise the Mars Probe space program of The Ambassadors of Death got erased, hence why a probe getting to Mars is such a big deal in The Christmas Invasion. The world of 2018 presented in The Enemy of the World was another casualty, becoming the more familiar present day presented in Series 11 onwards. But I digress.) As for travelling between those iterations of the universe, it’s courtesy of jumping a time track. That’s how back in The Space Museum the Doctor and co briefly got to a timeline where they’d been imprisoned in the museum already, and that’s how the Tenth Doctor accidentally gets to the pre-Time War version of the universe in Prisoner of the Daleks. Dalek Universe doesn’t say the words time track at any point, but I reckon that’s what’s happened when Ten got abducted by a time tunnel. As concepts go, it’s a bit convoluted but fundamentally is just a plot device.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 28, 2021 19:09:08 GMT
So.... one thing that continues to bug me a bit: the existence of a "pre-time War universe." See, before this series was even thought up, one thing that always bugged me about the new series is that it simply made no sense that the Doctor could no longer run into any other Timelords who are in their own timelines pre-Time-War. Right now, the 4th Doctor and Romana are running around Paris in the year 1979. They are always there unless and until that history is rewritten. As seven says in one of the BF eps, everyone he meets is both dead and alive. Similarly, Axos is always attempting to siphon energy from Earth in March 1971. And Caesar always crosses the Rubicon at a particular date and time. A time traveler can visit any of these, provided the historical event hasn't been changed by someone else. So why couldn't post-Time-War doctors ever run into pre-time-war other timelords? It's not like Timelord incarnations are always lined up when they meet. We have Simm turning into Missy at some point during/before 12's reign. But then... 12 runs into Simm's Master, too. So while they may only visit Gallifrey chronologically (relative to their own timeline, that is), they seem to be able to run into each other out of sync. (There's also your multi-doctor stories). It was suggested that the Time War rewrote history so comprehensively that the "pre Time War universe" does not exist anymore, and that this in some way explains why 11 couldn't accidentally run into the Beavers Master; why reboot Doctor was (temporarily) truly the 'last of the timelords'. But now, there is very much a "pre Time War universe" and a "post Time War universe", and one can travel between them (albeit in the rather unique fashion presented here). I probably shouldn't bother thinking much about it, but it does seem....odd. Most Time Lords were conscripted into fighting in the Time War. Other than the Doctor, the Master, and a handful of others, all the Time Lords were on Gallifrey, and hence time-locked. Gallifrey was supposed to be time-locked, meaning nobody could go into its past and rewrite its history as a means of combat. I also recall references to The Time War itself being "time-locked." I'm not sure how that resolves what I'm talking about. Take Timelord Bob. Bob flits about between his 2nd and 4th incarnations. He visits all sorts of planets at various times. He even pops by Earth 2021. He spends his next few incarnations on Gallifrey and the Time War breaks out. He fights it. Why does Gallifrey (or the entire time war) being time-locked mean that the 13th Doctor cannot run into 3rd incarnation Bob on Earth 2021? Or ...the third Doctor run into 3rd incarnation Bob on Earth 2021? That was part 1 of what I've wondered about. And part 2 is: why does Gallifrey or the Time War being time-locked explain how there can be a pre time war universe still intact, such that 10 can be sucked into it, but also a post time war universe that is still intact 'waiting' for 10 to get back to it? The whole point was that histories were written, rewritten, and so on. The War, having occurred across reality, would have rewritten much of reality. And once time is rewritten, the rewrite is how it always was. Someone goes back in time and kills one of your grandparents, you will never have existed (this featured in a relatively recent release). Or, two versions of the Doctor are running around. If the younger one dies, the older one will never have existed. (Ditto). It just seems really odd and incongruous to me for there suddenly to be an unrewritten universe AND the rewritten one; for it to be possible to be on the "wrong side" of the Time War. That said, I can also forget about it and simply enjoy listening.
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