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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 18:03:28 GMT
It was a bad show...I fell asleep but never one to judge a release after falling asleep by the third episode lol At your age random naps are an occupational hazard. ππππ€ͺπ
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 18:05:13 GMT
Despite this being a fairly run of the mill type of story (excluding the twist), I found myself really enjoying it. Usually an average story is just an average story for me, but this one just seemed to *work* for some reason. It was nice Now for the twist: I think this is the first solid indication (i.e. not just a teaser) that we're probably going to get some Season 6B stuff. Only Troughton's Doctor matched the description of Tarlos' Doctor and no other companions were mentioned as having been present; add to that that Tarlos knew about the Time Lords and the only logical conclusion is 6B, especially since Tarlos theorises the Time Lords had blocked the Doctor's memories. Personally, I'd rather they kept out of the realms of 6B, but I guess they're going to do what they're going to do... Well, I suppose it's possible that Tarlos' Doctor was one of the Timeless Doctors, but since this would have been written before The Timeless Children aired and the Doctor recognised the incarnation being described, this would seem like a bit of a stretch. EDIT: Just one quick question about the plot - when the heck was the governor killed? He calls his wife "Darling" at the start of Part Four, and the next thing I knew the others were talking about the fact that he'd been killed by the time they'd reached the vehicle. At what point between escaping the lab and getting in the vehicle was Mollis killed? I even played the whole section back and couldn't work it out... Well,if anyone can fix the timeless Children it will be BF but agree it was a good story and also I only fell asleep because I was tired lol not because the story didnβt engage me
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 20, 2021 18:35:55 GMT
Despite this being a fairly run of the mill type of story (excluding the twist), I found myself really enjoying it. Usually an average story is just an average story for me, but this one just seemed to *work* for some reason. It was nice Now for the twist: I think this is the first solid indication (i.e. not just a teaser) that we're probably going to get some Season 6B stuff. Only Troughton's Doctor matched the description of Tarlos' Doctor and no other companions were mentioned as having been present; add to that that Tarlos knew about the Time Lords and the only logical conclusion is 6B, especially since Tarlos theorises the Time Lords had blocked the Doctor's memories. Personally, I'd rather they kept out of the realms of 6B, but I guess they're going to do what they're going to do... Well, I suppose it's possible that Tarlos' Doctor was one of the Timeless Doctors, but since this would have been written before The Timeless ChildrenΒ aired andΒ the Doctor recognised the incarnation being described, this would seem like a bit of a stretch. EDIT: Just one quick question about the plot - when the heck was the governor killed? He calls his wife "Darling" at the start of Part Four, and the next thing I knew the others were talking about the fact that he'd been killed by the time they'd reached the vehicle. At what point between escaping the lab and getting in the vehicle was Mollis killed? I even played the whole section back and couldn't work it out... Well,if anyone can fix the timeless Children it will be BF but agree it was a good story and also I only fell asleep because I was tired lol not because the story didnβt engage me Timeless Children doesn't need fixing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 18:55:50 GMT
Well,if anyone can fix the timeless Children it will be BF but agree it was a good story and also I only fell asleep because I was tired lol not because the story didnβt engage me Timeless Children doesn't need fixing. Says you π
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 20, 2021 19:01:12 GMT
Timeless Children doesn't need fixing. Says you π Yep. I have spoken.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 22, 2021 1:29:52 GMT
Well, that was not at all what I was expecting--but a fun story all the same. But did anyone else have the problem of constantly imagining the insect monsters as the terrible CGI wasp from that one David Tennant episode? So, anyway, my uncollected thoughts: - "Everything is interesting if you look at it with the appropriate curiosity." T H A N K Y O U . I think this line sums up, perfectly, what I most adore about the 6th Doctor's personality, though I must disagree: this applies even (or especially) to measurement systems! Everything means everything.
- Insofar as twist endings are concerned, discovering a second TARDIS is pretty high up there--but it sets up a problem: the ultimate explanation for its presence will need to be at least as interesting as what the audience might imagine. I'm not entirely sure this story really lulled that off.
- Speaking of which, my thoughts immediately raced toward future Doctors--possibly the 8th Doctor--given that were in the final three MR releases and the last story will involve all four MR Doctors (or three?) teaming up to deal with some problem. Seems like this story would've been a good place to start foreshadowing that problem, and make these final three releases a kind of trilogy or something. They could still be doing that, of course (especially as 274 seems to involve temporal shenanigans) but that seems unlikely unless we get a surprise visit from the 2nd Doctor.
- Speaking of whom, do y'all think this is hinting at Big Finish' rumored 2DA range? Could they be tackling a "season 6B" with the 2nd Doctor working for the CIA, thereby explaining why his memories were wiped and why he might choose someone of less-than-typical morals as his companion? It might be very interesting to see the other side of this story, when the a doctor recruits Tarloss, who then becomes a companion for a bit. It would certainly be a way to do the 2DAs sans Jamie.
- This is only my second or third outing with Mrs. Clarke, and I continue to like her as a companion. She's no Evelyn Smythe, perhaps, but who is? Of course, I've got a big problem with her that I've had since her debut story--and the fact that it persists makes it an even bigger problem: her husband. She doesn't know whether he's alive or dead, and is out gallivanting through time and space. She says that she's worried about him, but that concern is not evident in her actions. You'd think she'd at least ask the Doctor to help solve that mystery, and that she doesn't makes me suspect her character. Unless there's some weird perception filter at play or other timey-wimey reason why the Doctor would want to specifically avoid investigating that mystery, I can't imagine this story thread being wrapped up in a way that would satisfy me.
so, hm... that's basically where I am. Toss me in the pile with the other 4/5 voters: good, not great. Mrs. Clarke's blind faith in the Doctor makes me wonder that she's not had that "eye-opening" moment where she realizes, clearly, that he's got a darker side and has done some dubious things in the past--or even that he makes mistakes and let's good people die on occasion. Without that fuller understanding of the Doctor, their relationship feels somewhat superficial, so I hope that changes soon. From what I can tell, though, this is still early days in their travels, right? Still the honeymoon period, I suppose.
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 22, 2021 7:14:13 GMT
Well, that was not at all what I was expecting--but a fun story all the same. But did anyone else have the problem of constantly imagining the insect monsters as the terrible CGI wasp from that one David Tennant episode? So, anyway, my uncollected thoughts: - "Everything is interesting if you look at it with the appropriate curiosity." T H A N K Y O U . I think this line sums up, perfectly, what I most adore about the 6th Doctor's personality, though I must disagree: this applies even (or especially) to measurement systems! Everything means everything.
- Insofar as twist endings are concerned, discovering a second TARDIS is pretty high up there--but it sets up a problem: the ultimate explanation for its presence will need to be at least as interesting as what the audience might imagine. I'm not entirely sure this story really lulled that off.
- Speaking of which, my thoughts immediately raced toward future Doctors--possibly the 8th Doctor--given that were in the final three MR releases and the last story will involve all four MR Doctors (or three?) teaming up to deal with some problem. Seems like this story would've been a good place to start foreshadowing that problem, and make these final three releases a kind of trilogy or something. They could still be doing that, of course (especially as 274 seems to involve temporal shenanigans) but that seems unlikely unless we get a surprise visit from the 2nd Doctor.
- Speaking of whom, do y'all think this is hinting at Big Finish' rumored 2DA range? Could they be tackling a "season 6B" with the 2nd Doctor working for the CIA, thereby explaining why his memories were wiped and why he might choose someone of less-than-typical morals as his companion? It might be very interesting to see the other side of this story, when the a doctor recruits Tarloss, who then becomes a companion for a bit. It would certainly be a way to do the 2DAs sans Jamie.
- This is only my second or third outing with Mrs. Clarke, and I continue to like her as a companion. She's no Evelyn Smythe, perhaps, but who is? Of course, I've got a big problem with her that I've had since her debut story--and the fact that it persists makes it an even bigger problem: her husband. She doesn't know whether he's alive or dead, and is out gallivanting through time and space. She says that she's worried about him, but that concern is not evident in her actions. You'd think she'd at least ask the Doctor to help solve that mystery, and that she doesn't makes me suspect her character. Unless there's some weird perception filter at play or other timey-wimey reason why the Doctor would want to specifically avoid investigating that mystery, I can't imagine this story thread being wrapped up in a way that would satisfy me.
so, hm... that's basically where I am. Toss me in the pile with the other 4/5 voters: good, not great. Mrs. Clarke's blind faith in the Doctor makes me wonder that she's not had that "eye-opening" moment where she realizes, clearly, that he's got a darker side and has done some dubious things in the past--or even that he makes mistakes and let's good people die on occasion. Without that fuller understanding of the Doctor, their relationship feels somewhat superficial, so I hope that changes soon. From what I can tell, though, this is still early days in their travels, right? Still the honeymoon period, I suppose.
Concerning Constance- I can reassure you that the search for her husband is topic of one of the episodes in the range. If it is satisfying to you or not you will have to make your mind up yourself, for me, it was quite a good story.
And the eye- opening moment.... yes, we also get that. VERY much so. Sadly, so far, we are still missing a decent follow-up for that eye-opener, though.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 22, 2021 7:37:48 GMT
It does makes sense that itβs a Timeless Doctor that sixie recognises because Tarlos knows that Doctor and theyβre sharing memories - itβs why the Doctor often forgets that Doctor afterwards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
Well, that was not at all what I was expecting--but a fun story all the same. But did anyone else have the problem of constantly imagining the insect monsters as the terrible CGI wasp from that one David Tennant episode? So, anyway, my uncollected thoughts: - "Everything is interesting if you look at it with the appropriate curiosity." T H A N K Y O U . I think this line sums up, perfectly, what I most adore about the 6th Doctor's personality, though I must disagree: this applies even (or especially) to measurement systems! Everything means everything.
- Insofar as twist endings are concerned, discovering a second TARDIS is pretty high up there--but it sets up a problem: the ultimate explanation for its presence will need to be at least as interesting as what the audience might imagine. I'm not entirely sure this story really lulled that off.
- Speaking of which, my thoughts immediately raced toward future Doctors--possibly the 8th Doctor--given that were in the final three MR releases and the last story will involve all four MR Doctors (or three?) teaming up to deal with some problem. Seems like this story would've been a good place to start foreshadowing that problem, and make these final three releases a kind of trilogy or something. They could still be doing that, of course (especially as 274 seems to involve temporal shenanigans) but that seems unlikely unless we get a surprise visit from the 2nd Doctor.
- Speaking of whom, do y'all think this is hinting at Big Finish' rumored 2DA range? Could they be tackling a "season 6B" with the 2nd Doctor working for the CIA, thereby explaining why his memories were wiped and why he might choose someone of less-than-typical morals as his companion? It might be very interesting to see the other side of this story, when the a doctor recruits Tarloss, who then becomes a companion for a bit. It would certainly be a way to do the 2DAs sans Jamie.
- This is only my second or third outing with Mrs. Clarke, and I continue to like her as a companion. She's no Evelyn Smythe, perhaps, but who is? Of course, I've got a big problem with her that I've had since her debut story--and the fact that it persists makes it an even bigger problem: her husband. She doesn't know whether he's alive or dead, and is out gallivanting through time and space. She says that she's worried about him, but that concern is not evident in her actions. You'd think she'd at least ask the Doctor to help solve that mystery, and that she doesn't makes me suspect her character. Unless there's some weird perception filter at play or other timey-wimey reason why the Doctor would want to specifically avoid investigating that mystery, I can't imagine this story thread being wrapped up in a way that would satisfy me.
so, hm... that's basically where I am. Toss me in the pile with the other 4/5 voters: good, not great. Mrs. Clarke's blind faith in the Doctor makes me wonder that she's not had that "eye-opening" moment where she realizes, clearly, that he's got a darker side and has done some dubious things in the past--or even that he makes mistakes and let's good people die on occasion. Without that fuller understanding of the Doctor, their relationship feels somewhat superficial, so I hope that changes soon. From what I can tell, though, this is still early days in their travels, right? Still the honeymoon period, I suppose.
Concerning Constance- I can reassure you that the search for her husband is topic of one of the episodes in the range. If it is satisfying to you or not you will have to make your mind up yourself, for me, it was quite a good story.
And the eye- opening moment.... yes, we also get that. VERY much so. Sadly, so far, we are still missing a decent follow-up for that eye-opener, though.
Am wondering if this is Constance post Static ?
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Post by number13 on Jan 22, 2021 13:55:01 GMT
This had 'Second Doctor' written all over it even before the twist! It's one of those classic base-under-siege stories so strongly associated with his era, a clever choice of story style for what I agree looks like the setup of a 6B range or at least a strand.
Even without the twist, this was a really good, uncomplicated, by-the-numbers 4* sort of 'Doctor Who' - and I mean that as a compliment, I'm always up for a story where the Doctor saves a gallant but doomed group of people from the monsters! We don't always need good people to turn out evil or vice versa. Yes it would be far better not to go around collecting endangered species in a casual freelance way, or to research an alien ecosystem with one eye open for potential new weapons (along with more moral goals too) but these were bad choices rather than the 'I want to destroy/rule/enslave the world' stuff the Doctor has to deal with on a daily basis!
So they needed saving and he and Constance did their job - and isn't she a terrific Companion? Picking off giant alien wasps and taking charge of the 'infected' colonists and ordering them to safety without a second's hesitation. Leading WREN Clarke, ready for action. I think this one was set quite early in her time with the Doctor, probably between the first two trilogies and certainly after 'Planet of the Rani' and before 'Quicksilver'; Constance refers to the 'giant cockroaches' of the Rani's realm and is sympathetic about the then-unknown fate of Tarlos and relates it to her own fears for her (still missing) husband.
I liked the characters and the way their own lives meshed neatly into the adventure - and I liked the hint at the end that if they do explore the mystery of Tarlos and his Doctor in future, Sixie (and hopefully Constance) will be involved somehow. Sixie wants to find out what happened - and he's a Doctor who usually gets his own way.
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Post by grinch on Jan 22, 2021 14:02:33 GMT
This had 'Second Doctor' written all over it even before the twist! It's one of those classic base-under-siege stories so strongly associated with his era, a clever choice of story style for what I agree looks like the setup of a 6B range or at least a strand.
Even without the twist, this was a really good, uncomplicated, by-the-numbers 4* sort of 'Doctor Who' - and I mean that as a compliment, I'm always up for a story where the Doctor saves a gallant but doomed group of people from the monsters! We don't always need good people to turn out evil or vice versa. Yes it would be far better not to go around collecting endangered species in a casual freelance way, or to research an alien ecosystem with one eye open for potential new weapons (along with more moral goals too) but these were bad choices rather than the 'I want to destroy/rule/enslave the world' stuff the Doctor has to deal with on a daily basis!
So they needed saving and he and Constance did their job - and isn't she a terrific Companion? Picking off giant alien wasps and taking charge of the 'infected' colonists and ordering them to safety without a second's hesitation. Leading WREN Clarke, ready for action. I think this one was set quite early in her time with the Doctor, probably between the first two trilogies and certainly after 'Planet of the Rani' and before 'Quicksilver'; Constance refers to the 'giant cockroaches' of the Rani's realm and is sympathetic about the then-unknown fate of Tarlos and relates it to her own fears for her (still missing) husband.
I liked the characters and the way their own lives meshed neatly into the adventure - and I liked the hint at the end that if they do explore the mystery of Tarlos and his Doctor in future, Sixie (and hopefully Constance) will be involved somehow. Sixie wants to find out what happened - and he's a Doctor who usually gets his own way. Now that I think about it, I suppose it would make sense that the Sixth Doctor would try and unravel the mystery behind what happened in his Second incarnation. From his perspective he only just met him recently so he probably has a close connection with that specific incarnation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 11:54:48 GMT
I really enjoyed this. A terrific Doctor arrives/uncovers a monster problem/leaves standalone tale, to which an extra dimension is added with Episode Two's wonderful cliffhanger. The location is very appealing, and a dark, foreboding forest full of seemingly hostile creatures is expertly conveyed. Headphones on, you can really believe you are there. Steve Foxon's musical soundtrack is suitably unsettling and vaguely Eighties, and the performances are very strong (Andrew James Spooner as Tarlos sounds very much like David Troughton to my ears - I had to check the credits). Some nice bone-popping body horror, insectoid metamorphosis which is perhaps even less palatable on audio than it would be on television. Perhaps the story loses a little steam during episode three, but soon picks up again, not least because it foreshadows, and adds weight to, events that are revealed in the Doctor's future, when he has become a she. Only Big Finish can do things like this, and I love it. A terrific release.
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Post by slithe on Jan 23, 2021 12:35:34 GMT
I really enjoyed this one. A solid little tale that is well written and performed. I thought it came across as very atmospheric and claustrophobic on audio - it reminded me a lot of Planet of Evil in the setting and from the cover I visualised it like such. The idea of being trapped and the alien menace coming from the outside and being already here has been done many times before, but was well realised here - it's very apt for the current environment but again echoed back to other stories (Planet of Evil and Horror of Fang Rock spring to mind).
The story has some good twists and turns in it. Initially, I thought Tarlos was the Second Doctor (albeit aged) and this is developed and teased across the story. It is a neat idea - previous companion of the Doctor turns up and ends up knowing more about the Doctor than the current companion/guest cast. I too thought that it was David Troughton playing the role and I did wonder if this was a 'hidden or guest' role that would be revealed.
The insects were a great threat - once again showing that most of the best ideas of science-fiction are actually routed in fact. Kudos also must go to not following the stereotypical Alien-esque approach. Again, echoes of the Wirrrin here and Ark in Space. The idea of accidentally bringing in a pest/parasite from outside is a subtle nod to current events (and what most gardeners end up worrying about!)
I like the fact that the Doctor chooses not to be availed of what his (presumably, Second) earlier incarnation was up to. Clearly, this is going to be explored soon with BF, which allows these final few releases to lay the foundations of the future stories with the Doctor.
Whilst I love Peri, I think Constance is more suited to a tale like this. Her realisation that human lives are 'fleeting' to the Doctor is well done and the fear of being forgotten by the Doctor has been echoed in many stories (most recently Revolution of the Daleks). To a Timelord, his/her human companions are small dots - but the impact that the Doctor has is much larger to them. The reference to the Doctor 'collecting' human companions is perhaps a bit more true than Tarlos realises. The Sixth Doctor quoting literature is always a highlight for me and his reference to the 'Past as a Foreign Country' made me smile.
A very good release. 2021 has started well. Strongest opener to a year for a long while...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 23, 2021 16:46:05 GMT
Apart from the twist this is an unremarkable but fun adventure. I am guessing that this is setting up the idea/mystery of series 6B for those unfamiliar with the concept. To be honest I'm pretty ambivalent about the idea, it depends how BF handle it. If it is just further adventures of the 2nd Doc then what's the point?
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 23, 2021 18:27:56 GMT
Well, good solid Sixie adventure, with an interesting added twist. I like the setting and the idea of the insect race, although I wish we finally would meet an insect race that does not need wiping out and with which we could make friends. Evil insects has become such a clichee, hasn't it? I would love to just explore a friendly insect hive mind for a change, one of these days. I would not even mind taking one along for a TARDIS ride. Anyways, while this is not the best or even gripping Sixie adventure, it also is far from the worst. Constance is great in this and used to the best of her abilities. Looking forward to hearing from her again, especially when facing off against the Eleven. While Sixie does not go out with a bang, he certainly leaved the monthly range at a high note.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 18:35:21 GMT
Well, good solid Sixie adventure, with an interesting added twist. I like the setting and the idea of the insect race, although I wish we finally would meet an insect race that does not need wiping out and with which we could make friends. Evil insects has become such a clichee, hasn't it? I would love to just explore a friendly insect hive mind for a change, one of these days. I would not even mind taking one along for a TARDIS ride. Anyways, while this is not the best or even gripping Sixie adventure, it also is far from the worst. Constance is great in this and used to the best of her abilities. Looking forward to hearing from her again, especially when facing off against the Eleven. While Sixie does not go out with a bang, he certainly leaved the monthly range at a high note. Well wasps and mosquitoes types π³...not a fan. My physical copy arrived today but...I just spent the afternoon with Claras final three stories and weirdly I really really really loved them but now itβs back to audio....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 18:35:32 GMT
Well, good solid Sixie adventure, with an interesting added twist. I like the setting and the idea of the insect race, although I wish we finally would meet an insect race that does not need wiping out and with which we could make friends. Evil insects has become such a clichee, hasn't it? I would love to just explore a friendly insect hive mind for a change, one of these days. I would not even mind taking one along for a TARDIS ride. Anyways, while this is not the best or even gripping Sixie adventure, it also is far from the worst. Constance is great in this and used to the best of her abilities. Looking forward to hearing from her again, especially when facing off against the Eleven. While Sixie does not go out with a bang, he certainly leaved the monthly range at a high note. Well wasps and mosquitoes types π³...not a fan. My physical copy arrived today but...I just spent the afternoon with Claras final three stories and weirdly I really really really loved them but now itβs back to audio....
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Post by number13 on Jan 24, 2021 14:02:00 GMT
I really enjoyed this. A terrific Doctor arrives/uncovers a monster problem/leaves standalone tale, to which an extra dimension is added with Episode Two's wonderful cliffhanger. The location is very appealing, and a dark, foreboding forest full of seemingly hostile creatures is expertly conveyed. Headphones on, you can really believe you are there. Steve Foxon's musical soundtrack is suitably unsettling and vaguely Eighties, and the performances are very strong (Andrew James Spooner as Tarlos sounds very much like David Troughton to my ears - I had to check the credits). Some nice bone-popping body horror, insectoid metamorphosis which is perhaps even less palatable on audio than it would be on television. Perhaps the story loses a little steam during episode three, but soon picks up again, not least because it foreshadows, and adds weight to, events that are revealed in the Doctor's future, when he has become a she. Only Big Finish can do things like this, and I love it. A terrific release. Snap! I jumped at the end of Ep 2 when he sounded so much like him - and his illustrious father - that I wondered if the twist was an even bigger twist than we actually got and if this was another 'guest recast Doctor' as in {2020 Main Range Spoiler}'Thin Time' I almost always listen to BF productions with headphones, their sound designers are audio magicians creating worlds in our ears and I like to get the full effect. If moving around, some not expensive but surprisingly decent earbuds, but best of all when I can relax with an audio and my favourite 'gamer' headphones, the big over-ear noise blocking cyber-helmet style. Then I am upgraded and the audio world wraps around me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 15:38:53 GMT
I really enjoyed this. A terrific Doctor arrives/uncovers a monster problem/leaves standalone tale, to which an extra dimension is added with Episode Two's wonderful cliffhanger. The location is very appealing, and a dark, foreboding forest full of seemingly hostile creatures is expertly conveyed. Headphones on, you can really believe you are there. Steve Foxon's musical soundtrack is suitably unsettling and vaguely Eighties, and the performances are very strong (Andrew James Spooner as Tarlos sounds very much like David Troughton to my ears - I had to check the credits). Some nice bone-popping body horror, insectoid metamorphosis which is perhaps even less palatable on audio than it would be on television. Perhaps the story loses a little steam during episode three, but soon picks up again, not least because it foreshadows, and adds weight to, events that are revealed in the Doctor's future, when he has become a she. Only Big Finish can do things like this, and I love it. A terrific release. Snap! I jumped at the end of Ep 2 when he sounded so much like him - and his illustrious father - that I wondered if the twist was an even bigger twist than we actually got and if this was another 'guest recast Doctor' as in {2020 Main Range Spoiler}'Thin Time' I almost always listen to BF productions with headphones, their sound designers are audio magicians creating worlds in our ears and I like to get the full effect. If moving around, some not expensive but surprisingly decent earbuds, but best of all when I can relax with an audio and my favourite 'gamer' headphones, the big over-ear noise blocking cyber-helmet style. Then I am upgraded and the audio world wraps around me. BF - and especially Steve Foxon here - really spoil us with the sound design. An immersive soundscape can make up for a lot of short-comings in a story. Luckily I found Colony of Fear to be my kind of story too. A great audio experience!
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Post by x2magneto on Jan 24, 2021 16:56:13 GMT
Liked it, but I think Tarlos' history and why the Doctor's memory is blocked should have paid off. Are they teasing a Second Doctor run after the War Games or...?
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