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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 12:18:02 GMT
More Jerry lacy, be it Tony or someone else. Given Joe and Davy's comments on the various post-bloodlust podcasts with Bobod, I'm not worried. And I don't care how - a sound sample of Louis Edmonds dropped in. Hearing his voice on a BF Dark Shadows would make my life complete
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 23:14:40 GMT
I wouldn't say he's underused in Bloodlust, but a character I'd like to hear more of is Cody, learn what he does when Jackie and Harry aren't around. Does he try to help Rhonda investigate a crime or something? I imagine his relationship with his father is similar to that of Stiles and his father in Teen Wolf, and would be wonderful to hear. I'm sure La Hamonde would leap at the idea of scenes between Cody and Dr Hill. Where's Wally? There he is. And there he is there too. Recasting the character might be a nice way to explore Cody further and correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't there a few recasts in the original series? I don't think Big Finish would take the same stance with an original creation. I don't think Rhonda would let Cody be involved in her police work (she's very protective of Jackie which seems to stem with her own childhood) , personally and circumstances kind of demanded his and Jackie's involvement in Bloodlust.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 23:15:51 GMT
More Jerry lacy, be it Tony or someone else. Given Joe and Davy's comments on the various post-bloodlust podcasts with Bobod, I'm not worried. And I don't care how - a sound sample of Louis Edmonds dropped in. Hearing his voice on a BF Dark Shadows would make my life complete I didn't know Bobod had a podcast!
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Post by omega on Jan 28, 2016 4:42:23 GMT
I'm sure La Hamonde would leap at the idea of scenes between Cody and Dr Hill. Where's Wally? There he is. And there he is there too. Recasting the character might be a nice way to explore Cody further and correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't there a few recasts in the original series? I don't think Big Finish would take the same stance with an original creation. I don't think Rhonda would let Cody be involved in her police work (she's very protective of Jackie which seems to stem with her own childhood) , personally and circumstances kind of demanded his and Jackie's involvement in Bloodlust. Several characters were recast. Victoria went through three actresses and Burke Devlin got two actors. I can so see Cody and Jackie doing a Nancy Drew kind of thing, and there potential in how Harry changes things (we start to see this from her perspective in In the Twinkling of an Eye). It nice seeing normal people doing normal things in Collinsport. Hold on, were Rhonda and Jackie around during the events of Beyond the Grave? Did Mad Jack's violent influence have anything to do with why Rhonda is a single mother?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 5:43:26 GMT
Recasting the character might be a nice way to explore Cody further and correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't there a few recasts in the original series? I don't think Big Finish would take the same stance with an original creation. I don't think Rhonda would let Cody be involved in her police work (she's very protective of Jackie which seems to stem with her own childhood) , personally and circumstances kind of demanded his and Jackie's involvement in Bloodlust. Several characters were recast. Victoria went through three actresses and Burke Devlin got two actors. I can so see Cody and Jackie doing a Nancy Drew kind of thing, and there potential in how Harry changes things (we start to see this from her perspective in In the Twinkling of an Eye). It nice seeing normal people doing normal things in Collinsport. Hold on, were Rhonda and Jackie around during the events of Beyond the Grave? Did Mad Jack's violent influence have anything to do with why Rhonda is a single mother? We don't know when Rhonda arrived in Collinsport, but from Jackie's stance on Collinsport and fears of never getting out in Snowflake, it seems Jackie has lived there all of her life or at least, as long as she remembers and Maggie made particular venemous note of the lack of Jackie's Father in episode seven of Bloodlust in smearing Rhonda, so he wasn't with Rhonda upon her arrival. I think Big Finish are going to go easy with backtracking through their prior output - Bloodlust was deisgned as a jumping on point for new listeners and while there are references to previous releases , there more to intice and are rather small in scale. I think we'll see Bloodline drive things forward and the events of the post- Bloodlust releases will probably recieve the same treatment.
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Post by Trace on Jan 29, 2016 3:07:19 GMT
I'm sure La Hamonde would leap at the idea of scenes between Cody and Dr Hill. Where's Wally? There he is. And there he is there too. Recasting the character might be a nice way to explore Cody further and correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't there a few recasts in the original series? I don't think Big Finish would take the same stance with an original creation. Is there a reason why you think Cody would need to be recast? I haven't heard anything about Wally Hamonde not being available to do the part...have I missed something? I mean, I'm all for recasts, but not when the original is willing and able.
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Post by Trace on Jan 29, 2016 3:19:30 GMT
I think Big Finish are going to go easy with backtracking through their prior output - Bloodlust was deisgned as a jumping on point for new listeners and while there are references to previous releases , there more to intice and are rather small in scale. I think we'll see Bloodline drive things forward and the events of the post- Bloodlust releases will probably recieve the same treatment. I fear you may be right and this is a bit of a double-edged sword for me. While I absolutely adore the new characters and the storylines created for the later years and "next generation", and know that the future of DS depends on it, as a huge fan of the original series and characters, I can't help but be a bit saddened to think that the rich history may not be utilized as much going forward in the continued bid to be new-listener friendly. Does that make sense? I'm all for progress, but hope that it doesn't mean the death of the type of story that fills in a hole/gap in an old storyline...like so many did so beautifully: Clothes of Sand, Echoes of Insanity, The Doll House, Dress Me in Dark Dreams, The Haunted Refrain, Speak No Evil, The Blind Painter, all the 1940s stuff, The Eternal Actress....and so many others.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 3:22:19 GMT
Recasting the character might be a nice way to explore Cody further and correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't there a few recasts in the original series? I don't think Big Finish would take the same stance with an original creation. Is there a reason why you think Cody would need to be recast? I haven't heard anything about Wally Hamonde not being available to do the part...have I missed something? I mean, I'm all for recasts, but not when the original is willing and able. I wasn't refering to Cody, I was refering to his Father Recasting the role (which Wally Hamonde also plays) might be a nice way of exploring Cody further, given (as Bobod says) how similar both performances are and the character has only been heard in a very limited capacity in Bloodlust and In The Twinkling of An Eye so it wouldn't be that much of an issue.
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Post by omega on Jan 29, 2016 3:35:07 GMT
Is there a reason why you think Cody would need to be recast? I haven't heard anything about Wally Hamonde not being available to do the part...have I missed something? I mean, I'm all for recasts, but not when the original is willing and able. I wasn't refering to Cody, I was refering to his Father Recasting the role (which Wally Hamonde also plays) might be a nice way of exploring Cody further, given (as Bobod says) how similar both performances are and the character has only been heard in a very limited capacity in Bloodlust and In The Twinkling of An Eye so it wouldn't be that much of an issue. Having one actor cover two characters saves time, money and resources. It'd give Wally some good experience as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 3:47:24 GMT
I wasn't refering to Cody, I was refering to his Father Recasting the role (which Wally Hamonde also plays) might be a nice way of exploring Cody further, given (as Bobod says) how similar both performances are and the character has only been heard in a very limited capacity in Bloodlust and In The Twinkling of An Eye so it wouldn't be that much of an issue. Having one actor cover two characters saves time, money and resources. It'd give Wally some good experience as well. True, but with all respect to Wally Hamonde, Cody and Doctor Hill sound a little too similar - which makes things a little bit confusing for an audio drama!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 3:57:48 GMT
I think Big Finish are going to go easy with backtracking through their prior output - Bloodlust was deisgned as a jumping on point for new listeners and while there are references to previous releases , there more to intice and are rather small in scale. I think we'll see Bloodline drive things forward and the events of the post- Bloodlust releases will probably recieve the same treatment. I fear you may be right and this is a bit of a double-edged sword for me. While I absolutely adore the new characters and the storylines created for the later years and "next generation", and know that the future of DS depends on it, as a huge fan of the original series and characters, I can't help but be a bit saddened to think that the rich history may not be utilized as much going forward in the continued bid to be new-listener friendly. Does that make sense? I'm all for progress, but hope that it doesn't mean the death of the type of story that fills in a hole/gap in an old storyline...like so many did so beautifully: Clothes of Sand, Echoes of Insanity, The Doll House, Dress Me in Dark Dreams, The Haunted Refrain, Speak No Evil, The Blind Painter, all the 1940s stuff, The Eternal Actress....and so many others. I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?), but I'm sure Bloodline and subsquent productions will pull on the mythology and threads of the original series (I've been told there's quite a few) - it's what the audience expects as well as introducing these elements to new unfarmaliar audiences. But, Bloodlust as a serialised drama - Dark Shadows as it was - was a big jumping on point for new customers and it made sense to acknowledge, but not go into overt detail the events of previous releases with that significant back catalog, to intice, rather then overwhelm (Maggie remembering Barnbas kidnapping her, the adult life of Amy Jennings, Barnbas's new body, the disapperance of The Collins, Kate's damage and recounting and bringing the Anti-Christ storyline to a halt in See No Evil). That said, I was disappointed how 'The Missing Collins' arc was handled. I understand wanting the post- Bloodlust audios to be approchable to new listeners and having as many of the old favourites around as possible and that the actors are sadly no longer with us and that certain parts of the resolution would have to happen off stage, but I was expecting something a little more dynamic, particularly given the creativity Big Finish have deployed on past occasions with these characters, then Roger and Elisabeth simply being overseas
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Post by Trace on Jan 29, 2016 4:36:02 GMT
I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?) No, I know it from TV, but am a crazy fan of Big Finish and have never missed a release.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 4:42:23 GMT
I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?) No, I know it from TV, but am a crazy fan of Big Finish and have never missed a release. Sorry, that was meant to be a comedic preamble about my qualifications to make my arguement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 5:34:21 GMT
I can see Michael's point to a certain extent. Especially with David and Amy's wedding approaching - no way would his Aunt Liz miss that (Roger might have some important business in Bangor ) so something more than "still out of town" would be nice but with Joe's stance on re-casting quite hardline, there's not much to be done. And the original series had characters miss important events all the time. And to his other point and Trace's, yes, being so newbie friendly each time does mean you can't maybe get in as deep to an ongoing mythos as you'd like but with this range only getting renewed a year at a time, BF kinda need to get new folks in each and every time a new release comes out and that's why "It's a perfect jumping on point" has almost become the catchphrase of quite a lot of Dark Shadows BF releases, I guess. They kinda have to be, really, though I'd say they do a good job of taking a chance and just throwing in things that do have very involved mythos going back deep into the show itself like Petofi and The Leviathans. They haven't shied away from those. I think people worry too much about the newbie-friendly thing in all the different BF ranges. People are oftentimes very good at catching up quickly if you have even just a little expositional dialogue. OT slightly but I have changed my mind on recasting TV characters massively in the past few months after seeing hundreds more episodes than I had. There's no way I want a new Roger, Stokes or Julia - absolutely no way. Louis Edmonds, Thayer David and Grayson Hall are just too iconic and too unique and idiosyncratic in my mind to have anyone else do the parts. I did used to say "But there's no-one more iconic than Barnabas and he was re-cast" and at the time never bought the "well, it's a new body so that allows it to be acceptable " reason but now I see that it was almost certainly a decision by Stuart Manning and co a decade ago to add commerical appeal in order to even get BF's Dark Shadows off the ground. They needed a Barnabas - for better or worse he IS Dark Shadows for a lot of people - and with Johnathan Frid being all but impossible (little did they know..) they made the smart choice.
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Post by bobod on Jan 29, 2016 9:52:37 GMT
Is there a reason why you think Cody would need to be recast? I haven't heard anything about Wally Hamonde not being available to do the part...have I missed something? I mean, I'm all for recasts, but not when the original is willing and able. I wasn't refering to Cody, I was refering to his Father Recasting the role (which Wally Hamonde also plays) might be a nice way of exploring Cody further, given (as Bobod says) how similar both performances are and the character has only been heard in a very limited capacity in Bloodlust and In The Twinkling of An Eye so it wouldn't be that much of an issue. I never said they sounded similar!! I don't especially think they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 9:56:32 GMT
I can't have thought were too similiar as I never picked up on them being the same till afterwards
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Post by bobod on Jan 29, 2016 9:57:39 GMT
Having one actor cover two characters saves time, money and resources. It'd give Wally some good experience as well. True, but with all respect to Wally Hamonde, Cody and Doctor Hill sound a little too similar - which makes things a little bit confusing for an audio drama! I don't think there's an issue. Maybe if Dr Hill and Cody were to have big meaty scenes together. But at the moment I think you're the only person asking for Dr Hill to be beefed up.
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Post by bobod on Jan 29, 2016 10:05:58 GMT
I fear you may be right and this is a bit of a double-edged sword for me. While I absolutely adore the new characters and the storylines created for the later years and "next generation", and know that the future of DS depends on it, as a huge fan of the original series and characters, I can't help but be a bit saddened to think that the rich history may not be utilized as much going forward in the continued bid to be new-listener friendly. Does that make sense? I'm all for progress, but hope that it doesn't mean the death of the type of story that fills in a hole/gap in an old storyline...like so many did so beautifully: Clothes of Sand, Echoes of Insanity, The Doll House, Dress Me in Dark Dreams, The Haunted Refrain, Speak No Evil, The Blind Painter, all the 1940s stuff, The Eternal Actress....and so many others. I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?), but I'm sure Bloodline and subsquent productions will pull on the mythology and threads of the original series (I've been told there's quite a few) - it's what the audience expects as well as introducing these elements to new unfarmaliar audiences. But, Bloodlust as a serialised drama - Dark Shadows as it was - was a big jumping on point for new customers and it made sense to acknowledge, but not go into overt detail the events of previous releases with that significant back catalog, to intice, rather then overwhelm (Maggie remembering Barnbas kidnapping her, the adult life of Amy Jennings, Barnbas's new body, the disapperance of The Collins, Kate's damage and recounting and bringing the Anti-Christ storyline to a halt in See No Evil). That said, I was disappointed how 'The Missing Collins' arc was handled. I understand wanting the post- Bloodlust audios to be approchable to new listeners and having as many of the old favourites around as possible and that the actors are sadly no longer with us and that certain parts of the resolution would have to happen off stage, but I was expecting something a little more dynamic, particularly given the creativity Big Finish have deployed on past occasions with these characters, then Roger and Elisabeth simply being overseas The main issue there I think is describing it as an 'arc'. That's drawing attention to the absence, where as everything BF does is pretty much to ignore it. Just like the TV show does. Roger will be missing for ages and there'll just a 'business trip' line. It's how DS works when someone is unavailable. Recasts only happen when they WANT to tell more story with that character. If they don't then they just say they're away. I found it astonishing in the TV show when after Elizabeth hasn't left Collinwood for 18 years that once she finally had done - to go to hospital - they then, when Joan Bennett was not in a few episodes, just said she's gone off to Bangor (or somewhere) for a few days. Her first trip to the city for nearly 20 years should have been a plot-point not a one-off line to cover her absence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:13:02 GMT
I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?), but I'm sure Bloodline and subsquent productions will pull on the mythology and threads of the original series (I've been told there's quite a few) - it's what the audience expects as well as introducing these elements to new unfarmaliar audiences. But, Bloodlust as a serialised drama - Dark Shadows as it was - was a big jumping on point for new customers and it made sense to acknowledge, but not go into overt detail the events of previous releases with that significant back catalog, to intice, rather then overwhelm (Maggie remembering Barnbas kidnapping her, the adult life of Amy Jennings, Barnbas's new body, the disapperance of The Collins, Kate's damage and recounting and bringing the Anti-Christ storyline to a halt in See No Evil). That said, I was disappointed how 'The Missing Collins' arc was handled. I understand wanting the post- Bloodlust audios to be approchable to new listeners and having as many of the old favourites around as possible and that the actors are sadly no longer with us and that certain parts of the resolution would have to happen off stage, but I was expecting something a little more dynamic, particularly given the creativity Big Finish have deployed on past occasions with these characters, then Roger and Elisabeth simply being overseas The main issue there I think is describing it as an 'arc'. That's drawing attention to the absence, where as everything BF does is pretty much to ignore it. Just like the TV show does. Roger will be missing for ages and there'll just a 'business trip' line. It's how DS works when someone is unavailable. Recasts only happen when they WANT to tell more story with that character. If they don't then they just say they're away. I found it astonishing in the TV show when after Elizabeth hasn't left Collinwood for 18 years that once she finally had done - to go to hospital - they then, when Joan Bennett was not in a few episodes, just said she's gone off to Bangor (or somewhere) for a few days. Her first trip to the city for nearly 20 years should have been a plot-point not a one-off line to cover her absence. I agree enitrely (and we've both used the 'business trip' as an example in responding, shows how prevalent it was, though Joan Bennett seems to be carted off to asylums quite a lot too ) major, major characters would just pop off for weeks on end. Sometimes with explanation, often just ignored untill they had a storyline for them. My personal favourite was Roger taking David to Boston for the weekend and they came back a month later
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Post by bobod on Jan 29, 2016 10:15:22 GMT
The main issue there I think is describing it as an 'arc'. That's drawing attention to the absence, where as everything BF does is pretty much to ignore it. Just like the TV show does. Roger will be missing for ages and there'll just a 'business trip' line. It's how DS works when someone is unavailable. Recasts only happen when they WANT to tell more story with that character. If they don't then they just say they're away. I found it astonishing in the TV show when after Elizabeth hasn't left Collinwood for 18 years that once she finally had done - to go to hospital - they then, when Joan Bennett was not in a few episodes, just said she's gone off to Bangor (or somewhere) for a few days. Her first trip to the city for nearly 20 years should have been a plot-point not a one-off line to cover her absence. I agree enitrely (and we've both used the 'business trip' as an example in responding, shows how prevalent it was, though Joan Bennett seems to be carted off to asylums quite a lot too ) major, major characters would just pop off for weeks on end. Sometimes with explanation, often just ignored untill they had a storyline for them. My personal favourite was Roger taking David to Boston for the weekend and they came back a month later Elizabeth gets her annual proper 'writing her out for a month' story each year, for Joan's hollibobs.
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