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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 13, 2021 14:05:31 GMT
Thinking i might save it and listen when it was originally intended to, after all the Dalek universe boxsets, see how different it plays for me compared to others. Not like i havent got enough of a backlog anyways haha I wouldn’t necessarily say that this was intended to come after Dalek Universe, I mean I think it’s more of a case that this would’ve only been released later if Dalek Universe didn’t exist. Tbh I feel like you’ll get the best experience listening to this before DU.
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Post by dorney on Apr 13, 2021 14:53:05 GMT
Thinking i might save it and listen when it was originally intended to, after all the Dalek universe boxsets, see how different it plays for me compared to others. Not like i havent got enough of a backlog anyways haha I wouldn’t necessarily say that this was intended to come after Dalek Universe, I mean I think it’s more of a case that this would’ve only been released later if Dalek Universe didn’t exist. Tbh I feel like you’ll get the best experience listening to this before DU. It’s sort of half-way between the two. Certainly the intent is for Buying Time to make sense if you’ve not heard Protocol (and not spoil it in a major way either).
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 13, 2021 16:07:24 GMT
Really enjoyable story, but I feel the pacing could have been better in places, as the latter two parts are much faster-paced than the first two. The only real issue I had was that {Spoiler} Mark is supposed to be an android and yet isn't affected by the Beacon. This took me out of the story somewhat, as it bugged me quite a bit. I'm sure there's some explanation but it was a little annoying.
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Post by Who Review on Apr 13, 2021 19:37:15 GMT
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Post by jacobz40 on Apr 13, 2021 20:43:58 GMT
Haven't listened yet; would folks say that it's possible to listen to this having listened to the 4DAs series 8, but not having seen Death to the Daleks? Or is it required viewing?
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Post by mark687 on Apr 13, 2021 21:01:30 GMT
Haven't listened yet; would folks say that it's possible to listen to this having listened to the 4DAs series 8, but not having seen Death to the Daleks? Or is it required viewing? Yes you can no prior knowledge is needed Regards mark687
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Post by readyproductions on Apr 14, 2021 0:20:27 GMT
Just finished it! REALLY recommend this story, regardless of whether or not you're planning to listen to Dalek Universe. You DO need to have seen Death Oo The Daleks, but there are elements and references to other stories, most notably Syndicate Master Plan and surprisingly, the Exxilons (An older 4th Doctor/Leela audio also written by Briggs) But they're not required listening, although knowing what happens in Syndicate Master Plan definitely enhances Anya's arc in this story. But yeah, really loved this.
The cast was great, the highlight (surprisingly) being Joe Sims as Mark Seven, a really dynamic and interesting performance. Jane Slavin was also great, there are some scenes with Anya in particular towards the end that honestly got me quite emotional, especially having listened to Syndicate Master Plan. Jamie Robertson's Music and Sound Design were AMAZING, and there are even some old musical motifs from older stories that come back such as Anya and Leela's themes, and even 'Across the Stars' from the old main range stories!
Oh, and the Cliffhanger for part 2 is EXCEPTIONAL. One of the most well-edited and written cliffhangers I've heard from Big Finish in a long time. But yeah, this story is a 9/10 for me. Can't wait for Dalek Universe Volume 1 (Hopefully in a few days time!)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 14, 2021 1:39:48 GMT
Haven't listened yet; would folks say that it's possible to listen to this having listened to the 4DAs series 8, but not having seen Death to the Daleks? Or is it required viewing? It’s requires viewing because it’s an awesome story. For quite a lot of us it was our first Dalek and first Pertwee story.
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Post by melkur on Apr 14, 2021 3:50:26 GMT
Whilst I'm not going to say that I necessarily 'loved' this story, barring maybe a little bit of pacing issues (as mentioned as others), I found this an enjoyable way of spending an afternoon.
I will say though, considering that I did break this release up throughout the day (and was worrying slightly about my dictaphone's battery cutting out at any moment), I will probably, time allowing, give this a re-listen when 'DU1' gets released...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 9:12:48 GMT
Couldn't impress me enough. A thrilling prequel to the Dalek Universe series, with many nostalgic surprises which you won't see coming. {SPOILERS} - Truly warmed my heart when the Doctor mentioned Sarah Jane Smith by name, referencing Death to the Daleks. - I was absolutely gobsmacked when Anya revealed to Leela that these events were the Doctor's past. Now that explains why she cloaked her voice and hid her face. Intriguing as River Song's timeline!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 14:49:58 GMT
really enjoyed this a story too am not sure about others quibbles about pacing it was a solid Tom Baker story with Leela and K9 and then the surprise after I finished to find Dalek Universe had been released too. geez and the fact I was happy with a Dalek story too things are looking up 😂
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Post by IndieMacUser on Apr 15, 2021 20:07:36 GMT
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Post by constonks on Apr 15, 2021 20:33:03 GMT
Yeah, I liked this as much as the actual Dalek Universe set - a different type of story, absolutely, but a good re-introduction to Anya and Mark with a good use of the Doctor and Leela - and some sassy K9, which is a must!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 15, 2021 22:45:29 GMT
Haven't listened yet; would folks say that it's possible to listen to this having listened to the 4DAs series 8, but not having seen Death to the Daleks? Or is it required viewing? It’s requires viewing because it’s an awesome story. For quite a lot of us it was our first Dalek and first Pertwee story. I listened to my own advice, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. Again. Even though it has TWO of the most naff cliffhangers ever in Doctor Who (and remember, one cliffhanger is literslly the Doctor hanging off a cliff and another is a Dalek playing Choo-Choo games with the Doctor).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 11:41:27 GMT
Daleks - Exxillon - Bellal - Space Plague - Mark Seven/SSS/ADF = Nicholas Briggs's ultimate nostalgic wet dream! Oh, and there's even a tower that needs to be climbed too...
We go back to the future with this TV sequel/audio prequel story that does exactly what it says on the tin... and as a Doctor Who old fogey that enjoyed Death to the Daleks* this was right up my street so I found it thoroughly enjoyable. I imagine this is the sort of story that Nick could write in his sleep. The Dalek Protocol was really good fun once it got going, with a lot of nods to the past and also some nods to the future. It was a well spent couple of hours listening to The Dalek Protocol and getting myself ready for Dalek Universe... a strong 4/5 for me.
[Standard response #267 - Daleks with guns! What's not to like?!]
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Post by Chakoteya on Apr 16, 2021 14:46:43 GMT
I liked it. (Tom Baker, what's not to like?)
A time when technology was simpler by NuWhovian standards, when stories built over a respectable time frame with regular cliff-hangers. (Well, that was a whole load of nothing. I'm guessing you did something clever, Mark?) A time when you can imagine the steam coming out of the Supreme Dalek's vents as the Doctor calls him a neurotic little pepperpot... and he refers to plungers! Yay!
Okay, so for me it was an introduction to M7 and Anya because I've not got up to 4DA season 8 yet, which I assume is why she is paranoid about him not knowing who she is, but that's not a problem.
Happy memories of watching Jon Pertwee and Elisabeth Sladen in Death to the Daleks while listening to this 'sequel'.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 17, 2021 5:18:00 GMT
Well, that was fun. I a, consistently amazed at how effortlessly Tom Baker inhabits the role of,the Doctor--he sounds exactly the same now as he did a half-century ago. It's almost as though no time at all has passed.
Meanwhile, thankfully. Louise Jameson is far, far better as Leela now than she ever was on the TV show. I definitely need to Rewatch those old episodes before I speculate on why that is, but I suspect that (beyond the experience born of age) she's simply allowed to do more with the character now that she's no longer functioning as the requisite fanservice character. This Leela doesn't need to be sexy, so she can be 100% awesome.
Like, yeah, yeah, Tom Baker is great. I get it, I get it, he's the iconic Doctor. We all get it. But, co e on, Leela's the standout character here, right? She's just the absolute and inarguable BEST.
Speaking of which, I always kind of low-key hated the implication in School Reunion (and later Clara stories) that the Doctor didn't really discuss past companions. As such, I positively adore the fact that the Doctor was so fond of Leela that he'd frequently talk about her to subsequent companions after she left the TARDIS.
As well he should! Who wouldn't miss Leela? She's the best.
All that said, why isn't this a 4DA? As far as I can tell, it's totally unrelated to Tenant's Dalek Universe range aside from the fact that the 10th Doctor references Anya Kingdom's past with the 4th Doctor--but that past also exists in the 4DAs, right? So there was really no need to depict it here--especially with a contrived premise that precludes any direct interaction between Anya and the Doctor. This story definitely would have fit much better had it occurred after the first Dalek Universe Boxset, from Kingdom's POV. Imagine: she's on Exxilon at the behest of the 10th Doctor, and therefore cannot reveal much to the 4th Doctor. If you're going to link these stories together, you really ought to link the stories together.
So much as was the case with the baffling Time Lord Victorious range, I'm left wondering why? Making a series out of standalone stories just feels oddly misrepresentational, and really only serves to establish a set of false expectations.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 17, 2021 6:38:20 GMT
All that said, why isn't this a 4DA? As far as I can tell, it's totally unrelated to Tenant's Dalek Universe range aside from the fact that the 10th Doctor references Anya Kingdom's past with the 4th Doctor--but that past also exists in the 4DAs, right? So there was really no need to depict it here--especially with a contrived premise that precludes any direct interaction between Anya and the Doctor. This story definitely would have fit much better had it occurred after the first Dalek Universe Boxset, from Kingdom's POV. Imagine: she's on Exxilon at the behest of the 10th Doctor, and therefore cannot reveal much to the 4th Doctor. If you're going to link these stories together, you really ought to link the stories together.My guess is it was moved to pre-Dalek Universe because this way it can serve as an introduction to Mark Seven. Also, it's worth bearing in mind that this is a 4DA. It's just not part of a boxset.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 17, 2021 12:44:46 GMT
I just was in Facebook and read the epic comment battle between Nick and one of the reviewers on there. So some reviewer gave a less favourable review and Nick... objected. I have not listened to this yet, but from what everybody writes here, this cannot be too bad...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 13:07:08 GMT
I just was in Facebook and read the epic comment battle between Nick and one of the reviewers on there. So some reviewer gave a less favourable review and Nick... objected. I have not listened to this yet, but from what everybody writes here, this cannot be too bad... One quote from Nick: 'I mostly don't read reviews - except the extracts I read out on the BF Podcast, which are all positive ones pre-selected for me by someone else,' speaks volumes, I think. Should a writer be shielded from negative reviews? Should reviewers not be allowed to post negativity? If so, what is the point of reviewing anything? John Ainsworth also leaps to Nick's defence in the comments section, too. All because a reviewer doesn't like a story. I'm not sure it is necessary to be so publicly defensive about one's work, if I'm honest.
Edited to go further, because this has riled me a bit. Nick Briggs didn't mind having a go at Paul Magrs writing on a podcast some while back, concerning The Boy that Time Forgot. Neither was he hesitant to point out how he felt he had to give notes to Marc Platt's Night of the Stormcrow. Fair enough, as director, that may be described as part of his job, but not necessarily to broadcast his doubts about Platt's story on the CD Extras. None of this would matter if Nick wasn't so sensitive to criticism himself.
It's all part of the game though isn't it: write a positive review for everything we do, and we'll mention your blog on our podcast/website. Makes business sense, but I'm not sure it's ethical - at worst, it is stifling freedom of speech. With this, and a few other exchanges Nick has put himself forward for - and I must say I am often a fan of his work - I am reminded of the (Dalek) Emperor's new clothes. Fair enough, he puts his 'heart and soul' into his writing, but he is hardly unique in that.
Anyway, genuinely sorry for the deviation, but I had to get that off my chest. In a quote from the Daleks themselves in Parting of the Ways: "Worship him!"
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