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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 28, 2021 20:52:29 GMT
Julian Wadham as the One, Hugh Fraser as the Ten (or whoever is the hypnotist) Good choices but it would be nice to have actors/actresses who haven’t been in other ranges or these ranges already I think personally I was thinking that because it’s a pretty hard sell, and would probably be a “one off character” (as the default seems to be the Eleven), someone who is “already on site”, so to speak, picks up an extra couple of days work recording when already there for another role.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 28, 2021 21:02:15 GMT
The one for David Suchet would be Poirot! I've seen zero episodes of Poirot (which is a reminder to remedy that) but didn't they adapt every single Poirot story by the end of it? (Also on the actual topic... I can't recall if the remaining eight incarnations have all been called "he"??) theMeddlingmonk posted the following previously which was from the script of Dark Universe ELEVEN (ONE): (FUSSY, OLD) Fussy old archivist, pedantic and knowledgeable on many Gallifreyan secrets. ELEVEN (TWO): (CALM, CHARMING) Calm, reasonable, convincing, charming, liar and manipulator. ELEVEN (THREE): (CHILDISH, PETULANT) A childish, playful self-centred persona, prone to petulant tantrums if crossed. ELEVEN (FOUR): (SOPHISTICATED, SUPERIOR) Sophisticated game-player, convinced of his own intellectual superiority. ELEVEN (FIVE): (COCKY, CONCEITED) Wise-cracking and confident trickster. The joker in the pack. ELEVEN (SIX): (CRAZED, MANIACAL) A crazed psychopath, prone to arbitrary acts of murder. ELEVEN (SEVEN): (PRECISE, ANALYTICAL) Precise and clinically analytical scientist, prefers elegant solutions. ELEVEN (EIGHT): (DECENT, HONEST) A short-lived but thoroughly decent man living with the torment of what his other lives have done. ELEVEN (NINE): (GREEDY, POSSESSIVE) Greedy kleptomaniac, wants to steal everything and can’t let anything go. ELEVEN (TEN): (DECEITFUL, HYPNOTIC) A deceitful mesmerist, capable of hypnotic control. ELEVEN: (COLD, RUTHLESS) Cold-as-steel gentleman, uptight and utterly ruthless. So no mention of whether any incarnations were male or female apart from the ones we have already encountered and The Four.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 28, 2021 21:09:45 GMT
I have been impressed by her versatility in the Pathfinder Legends range and I am now imagining what Ashleigh Loeb would do with The Six.
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Post by constonks on Jan 28, 2021 22:58:39 GMT
So no mention of whether any incarnations were male or female apart from the ones we have already encountered and The Four. The Twelve also called Six a "horrible little man" or something along those lines. And I'm pretty sure Tessno called the Ten "he" but I might be wrong.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 29, 2021 6:32:15 GMT
I can't really comment on casting, save to say that as far as I'm aware, Big Finish has yet to miscast a single role... but I'm definitely very intrigued at the idea of seeing other incarnation of "the Eleven." (Sorry, I can't really think of the character by any other name.)
It's probably a pipe dream, but I'd love to see them get their own boxset "origin story" kind of thing. First story might have them be rather friendly and helpful--an ally to the Doctor in sorting out whatever nastiness is going on. Then said nastiness results in a regeneration, so the second (and third, maybe?) story deals with the the Two basically going mad as two different personalities vie for control... the story would hinge on the Doctor tryin to help the Two as they become increasingly unreliable and erratic. Culminating into a full turn to villainy after a second regeneration. One boxset, one villain, multiple regenerations/voice actors.
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Post by constonks on Jan 29, 2021 7:23:43 GMT
I can't really comment on casting, save to say that as far as I'm aware, Big Finish has yet to miscast a single role... but I'm definitely very intrigued at the idea of seeing other incarnation of "the Eleven." (Sorry, I can't really think of the character by any other name.) It's probably a pipe dream, but I'd love to see them get their own boxset "origin story" kind of thing. First story might have them be rather friendly and helpful--an ally to the Doctor in sorting out whatever nastiness is going on. Then said nastiness results in a regeneration, so the second (and third, maybe?) story deals with the the Two basically going mad as two different personalities vie for control... the story would hinge on the Doctor tryin to help the Two as they become increasingly unreliable and erratic. Culminating into a full turn to villainy after a second regeneration. One boxset, one villain, multiple regenerations/voice actors. Coming soon from Big Finish Productions... "One Two Three Four"
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 29, 2021 7:59:20 GMT
I wouldn’t object to Ten being female - a seductress rather than a master-style hypnotist.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 29, 2021 8:00:03 GMT
Ohh good lord, can you imagine the drama when the Two realises that the One is still there?
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Post by grinch on Jan 29, 2021 8:35:34 GMT
Ohh good lord, can you imagine the drama when the Two realises that the One is still there? Make for one hell of a post credit scene at least.
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Post by grinch on Jan 29, 2021 9:44:54 GMT
I know later on in his lifespan, the Collective basically became another calculating psychopath but I think if you were to do a story featuring an extremely early incarnation it would be interesting to play up the tragedy of his condition. Unlike say the Doctor or the Master, the Collective isn’t really so much a renegade by choice (although his later actions might say otherwise) but rather because his condition means he has been ostracised by his own people.
One could also make the argument that whilst some of his prior incarnations were villains in their own right it was only during the latter half of his lifespan when he became truly monstrous. The amount of voices stacking up, goading him on or otherwise berating him. Drive anyone loopy.
In fact, I could quite easily see someone such as the Two trying to seek help from his people or other such institutions.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 29, 2021 9:50:18 GMT
I know later on in his lifespan, the Collective basically became another calculating psychopath but I think if you were to do a story featuring an extremely early incarnation it would be interesting to play up the tragedy of his condition. Unlike say the Doctor or the Master, the Collective isn’t really so much a renegade by choice (although his later actions might say otherwise) but rather because his condition means he has been ostracised by his own people. One could also make the argument that whilst some of his prior incarnations were villains in their own right it was only during the latter half of his lifespan when he became truly monstrous. The amount of voices stacking up, goading him on or otherwise berating him. Drive anyone loopy. In fact, I could quite easily see someone such as the Two trying to seek help from his people or other such institutions. Anyone with the Six sitting in their head is likely to have a REALLY hard time remaining sane.
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Post by kennysmith on Jan 29, 2021 13:15:18 GMT
Robert Carlyle as the Six. End of.
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Post by grinch on Jan 29, 2021 13:19:01 GMT
Robert Carlyle as the Six. End of. Great suggestion. He’d be legitimately terrifying in the role.
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Post by grinch on Jan 29, 2021 18:14:08 GMT
Reese Shearsmith could make for a good The Seventh. Or alternatively the Five.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 30, 2021 19:03:00 GMT
I know later on in his lifespan, the Collective basically became another calculating psychopath but I think if you were to do a story featuring an extremely early incarnation it would be interesting to play up the tragedy of his condition. Unlike say the Doctor or the Master, the Collective isn’t really so much a renegade by choice (although his later actions might say otherwise) but rather because his condition means he has been ostracised by his own people. One could also make the argument that whilst some of his prior incarnations were villains in their own right it was only during the latter half of his lifespan when he became truly monstrous. The amount of voices stacking up, goading him on or otherwise berating him. Drive anyone loopy. In fact, I could quite easily see someone such as the Two trying to seek help from his people or other such institutions. It might be a problematic angle due to all the rampant misconceptions re: schizophrenia, but I think this premise would be an excellent vehicle to examine how society tends to view people with mental health problems as subhuman, and would rather ignore than help. Gallifrey itself has always been a rather thinly-veiled analog to contemporary culture (which i freely admit has often annoyed me in the past) so I think it's fair to expect them to be just as und lightened in this regard as our own, modern world. Basically just really, really play into the mental health angle--and all the anxiety and fear that these problems generate in both the people suffering and those who witness the episodes. And really, the more we talk about it the more I realize what an incredibly rich (and largely untapped) vein of storytelling potential the Eleven is. They could do so much! Its also worth considering that the early incarnations of the Eleven would have been of the same era, more or less, as the early incarnations of the Doctor--so, stuck on a super-isolationist Gallifrey that probably wouldn't even consider exile. So the Two, Three, Four, would basically be forced to live with people who fear him, or are at least really creeped out by him. Going rogue and stealing a TARDIS may very well have been a very smart, very healthy move for him at the time--just to escape a deeply toxic environment.
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Post by grinch on Feb 3, 2021 18:52:51 GMT
Would never happen as I don’t think he has ever done any audio work but I think someone such as Matt Frewer would be a good fit.
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Post by grinch on Feb 5, 2021 16:41:35 GMT
After relistening to Hothouse I think Nigel Planer could make for a good The One. I know his incarnations hasn’t exactly got any prior incarnations hanging around in his head but I guess you could always rectify it by having him meet one of his future incarnations. I don’t know, maybe one of them travels back to an earlier point in their timeline as a part of some grand plan.
Plus, while I wouldn’t class him as a regular of there’s he has done a few things with Big Finish since Hothouse.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 6, 2021 11:00:30 GMT
So no mention of whether any incarnations were male or female apart from the ones we have already encountered and The Four. The Twelve also called Six a "horrible little man" or something along those lines. And I'm pretty sure Tessno called the Ten "he" but I might be wrong. That quote got me thinking I wonder if the Six is Height Impaired and one of the reasons he is so mad is that his past selves make fun of him for it. I can picture the Sixth Doctor holding him at arms length with his head on the top of the Six’s head try to talk him out of his frenzy. I also thought perhaps the Six could be infatuated with one of the Doctor’s companions which would then soften his manic persona and give the character a bit more light and shade. Peri would be too obvious, so how about Mel? I can see her wanting to try and rehabilitate this monster. Then the Six could beg the Two to take over and try and woo the girl for him! When I was thinking about his past selfs taunting him a thought about all the Collective/Numbered/Multiple came to mind. Where as each new incarnation of the Doctor has all his past self’s knowledge and experience, (if a little muddled at the start) perhaps a new incarnation like The Six does not know his past. Then if he meets the Doctor or any other character he has to rely on his past selves telling him about that person. Each incarnation might have a different opinion and his past selves could always lie... So when they say “our new form will be perfect if we ever need to go undercover as a Sontaran” The Six would ask “What’s a Sontaran?” Introducing Christopher Ryan as The Six
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Post by constonks on Feb 6, 2021 14:16:05 GMT
The Twelve also called Six a "horrible little man" or something along those lines. And I'm pretty sure Tessno called the Ten "he" but I might be wrong. That quote got me thinking I wonder if the Six is Height Impaired and one of the reasons he is so mad is that his past selves make fun of him for it. (...) So when they say “our new form will be perfect if we ever need to go undercover as a Sontaran” The Six would ask “What’s a Sontaran?” Introducing Christopher Ryan as The Six Or Dan Starkey! (I also assume that the Twelve was being literal and Six was a short guy. The Tasmanian Devil, small and vicious.)
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Post by grinch on Feb 6, 2021 14:57:02 GMT
That quote got me thinking I wonder if the Six is Height Impaired and one of the reasons he is so mad is that his past selves make fun of him for it. (...) So when they say “our new form will be perfect if we ever need to go undercover as a Sontaran” The Six would ask “What’s a Sontaran?” Introducing Christopher Ryan as The Six Or Dan Starkey! (I also assume that the Twelve was being literal and Six was a short guy. The Tasmanian Devil, small and vicious.) I like that idea a lot. Short and stocky but still the sort to put your head through a wall if you look at him the wrong way.
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