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Post by mark687 on Jan 28, 2021 10:14:29 GMT
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Post by grinch on Jan 28, 2021 10:18:18 GMT
Huh. Always nice to see more of Iris but I didn’t think we’d be getting anymore anytime soon. I don’t know why I thought this but I thought there had been a falling out with Paul Magrs and Big Finish.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 28, 2021 10:29:14 GMT
Huh. Always nice to see more of Iris but I didn’t think we’d be getting anymore anytime soon. I don’t know why I thought this but I thought there had been a falling out with Paul Magrs and Big Finish. There were a couple of negative Actor feedback comments that meant The Wishing Beast needed re-writes in studio i gather Mr Magrs was irked BF didn't contact him beforehand. Regards mark687
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Post by grinch on Jan 28, 2021 10:33:54 GMT
Huh. Always nice to see more of Iris but I didn’t think we’d be getting anymore anytime soon. I don’t know why I thought this but I thought there had been a falling out with Paul Magrs and Big Finish. There were a couple of negative Actor feedback comments that meant The Wishing Beast needed re-writes in studio i gather Mr Magrs was irked BF didn't contact him beforehand. Regards mark687 Ah, I see. Be curious to know what those rewrites entailed.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 28, 2021 10:38:51 GMT
I mean, Magrs did work with BF as recently as 2018.
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Post by roosa88 on Jan 28, 2021 11:09:28 GMT
Looking forward to these. I read the novel of Iris Wildthyme and the Polythene Terror last year and really enjoyed it. The monsters were a great concept and I found the story really engaging and easy to read.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 28, 2021 11:48:07 GMT
Very excited for all 5!
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 28, 2021 22:57:41 GMT
I wanted to get the bundle but it didn't seem to be on the website?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 28, 2021 23:06:21 GMT
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Post by stcoop on Jan 29, 2021 1:03:00 GMT
I'm confused as to why the first two are being called Iris books, unless they've been rewritten.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Jan 29, 2021 3:48:15 GMT
That'll be why the line is called "Iris Wildthyme and Friends". Because the first two are only Iris-adjacent. And that's why they're being read by Louis Jameson instead of Katy Manning.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 29, 2021 12:06:00 GMT
Are they just Iris-Adjacent because they were written by Magrs?
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Post by number13 on Jan 29, 2021 12:12:40 GMT
Are they just Iris-Adjacent because they were written by Magrs? I think so, yes.
Although I imagine it's possible that Iris knew the characters / met them / almost ran over them in the bus, etc. and then forgot all about it. Iris has that sort of lives.
And Brenda's base was Whitby and Iris' highly mobile Yorkshire accent was probably from Whitby at some point so maybe they did meet.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Jan 29, 2021 14:37:29 GMT
According to TARDIS Wiki: 666 Charing Cross Road was a novel written by Paul Magrs, featuring elements introduced in Mad Dogs and Englishmen and The Brenda and Effie Mysteries. Continuity: Fox Soames is the editor of the Book of Mayhem series. (PROSE: Kept Safe and Sound, To the Devil — a Diva!) [my note: "Kept Safe and Sound is an entry by Paul Magrs in the "Companions" Doctor Who Short Trips written anthology; "To the Devil — a Diva!" is another novel by him with characters and concepts from BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures "Mad Dogs and Englishmen" and from "Kept Safe and Sound". ] Fellowship of Ink was a 2017 novel by Paul Magrs. It was a spin-off from the acclaimed Brenda and Effie Mysteries series, and it also had a degree of focus on characters first introduced in his 2002 BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novel Mad Dogs and Englishmen. With Hyspero and the Scarlet Guard playing a part in the narrative and Valcea getting a brief mention, it had connections to all three BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novels written by Magrs, as well as the Iris Wildthyme series. Not unlike Magrs previous stories published by Snowbooks Ltd - Enter Wildthyme, Wildthyme Beyond!, and From Wildthyme with Love - this novel had deep ties to other series, such as the aforementioned Brenda and Effie series. Continuity: Reginald Tyler, Cleavis, the Smudgelings, and The True History of Planets first appeared in PROSE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen. John and Cleavis once had an encounter with Mumu Manchu. (PROSE: The Delightful Bag) The Very Fabric of Time and Space is seen. (PROSE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen et al) Hyspero originates from PROSE: The Scarlet Empress. The "lofty peaks of Valcea" are a location in The True History of Planets. (PROSE: The Blue Angel) Valcea is where Iris Wildthyme, Panda, Simon, and Barbra travelled to in their quest to stop Anthony Marvelle from reaching Hyspero. (PROSE: Enter Wildthyme)
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So they have enough tie-ins to Iris and Who works for TARDIS Wiki to consider them part of the Whoniverse. And of the Brenda and Effie Mysteries series itself, it says:
The Brenda and Effie Mysteries was a series of "gothic mystery" prose and audio stories, primarily written by Paul Magrs.
The series followed the adventures of the eponymous Brenda and Effie Jacobs, who, along with Whitby and its residents, have made numerous appearances within the DWU. Some notable instances include: the short epistolary story Brenda's B&B heavily referencing the events of the first few novels; Cleavis and the Smudgelings appearing in the second book Something Borrowed; and Panda appearing in Brenda and Effie Forever!, fleshing out his life prior to meeting Iris Wildthyme, first referenced in Wildthyme at Large.
The fifth book The Bride That Time Forgot acted as a sequel to Magrs' audio story The Boy That Time Forgot. The series received a spin-off Fellowship of Ink in 2017 focusing on characters first introduced in Magrs' 2002 BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novel Mad Dogs and Englishmen.
The first four novels were revealed to have fictional counterparts existing within N-Space, as penned by the N-Space equivalent of Paul Magrs, in the aforementioned Brenda's B&B.
666 Charing Cross Road was a novel set in the continuity of both Magrs' EDAs and The Brenda and Effie Mysteries. .
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Post by ollychops on Jan 30, 2021 11:04:50 GMT
I only picked up the Iris audiobooks, decided to hold off on the other two since Iris isn't featured in them. Might get them in the future when I'm more familiar with the characters involved in them.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 30, 2021 12:22:02 GMT
According to TARDIS Wiki: 666 Charing Cross Road was a novel written by Paul Magrs, featuring elements introduced in Mad Dogs and Englishmen and The Brenda and Effie Mysteries. Continuity: Fox Soames is the editor of the Book of Mayhem series. (PROSE: Kept Safe and Sound, To the Devil — a Diva!) [my note: "Kept Safe and Sound is an entry by Paul Magrs in the "Companions" Doctor Who Short Trips written anthology; "To the Devil — a Diva!" is another novel by him with characters and concepts from BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures "Mad Dogs and Englishmen" and from "Kept Safe and Sound". ] Fellowship of Ink was a 2017 novel by Paul Magrs. It was a spin-off from the acclaimed Brenda and Effie Mysteries series, and it also had a degree of focus on characters first introduced in his 2002 BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novel Mad Dogs and Englishmen. With Hyspero and the Scarlet Guard playing a part in the narrative and Valcea getting a brief mention, it had connections to all three BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novels written by Magrs, as well as the Iris Wildthyme series. Not unlike Magrs previous stories published by Snowbooks Ltd - Enter Wildthyme, Wildthyme Beyond!, and From Wildthyme with Love - this novel had deep ties to other series, such as the aforementioned Brenda and Effie series. Continuity: Reginald Tyler, Cleavis, the Smudgelings, and The True History of Planets first appeared in PROSE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen. John and Cleavis once had an encounter with Mumu Manchu. (PROSE: The Delightful Bag) The Very Fabric of Time and Space is seen. (PROSE: Mad Dogs and Englishmen et al) Hyspero originates from PROSE: The Scarlet Empress. The "lofty peaks of Valcea" are a location in The True History of Planets. (PROSE: The Blue Angel) Valcea is where Iris Wildthyme, Panda, Simon, and Barbra travelled to in their quest to stop Anthony Marvelle from reaching Hyspero. (PROSE: Enter Wildthyme)
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So they have enough tie-ins to Iris and Who works for TARDIS Wiki to consider them part of the Whoniverse. And of the Brenda and Effie Mysteries series itself, it says:
The Brenda and Effie Mysteries was a series of "gothic mystery" prose and audio stories, primarily written by Paul Magrs.
The series followed the adventures of the eponymous Brenda and Effie Jacobs, who, along with Whitby and its residents, have made numerous appearances within the DWU. Some notable instances include: the short epistolary story Brenda's B&B heavily referencing the events of the first few novels; Cleavis and the Smudgelings appearing in the second book Something Borrowed; and Panda appearing in Brenda and Effie Forever!, fleshing out his life prior to meeting Iris Wildthyme, first referenced in Wildthyme at Large.
The fifth book The Bride That Time Forgot acted as a sequel to Magrs' audio story The Boy That Time Forgot. The series received a spin-off Fellowship of Ink in 2017 focusing on characters first introduced in Magrs' 2002 BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures novel Mad Dogs and Englishmen.
The first four novels were revealed to have fictional counterparts existing within N-Space, as penned by the N-Space equivalent of Paul Magrs, in the aforementioned Brenda's B&B.
666 Charing Cross Road was a novel set in the continuity of both Magrs' EDAs and The Brenda and Effie Mysteries. .
Well guess im getting all 5 then lol
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 30, 2021 13:22:26 GMT
I enjoy Magrs's work, but it's often quite frustrating the way he picks up and runs with various ideas in various inconsistent contexts ("To the Devil a Diva" is brilliantly written but NOTHING happens; one of the Brenda and Effie books deals with the same main plotline, so why not jsut read that?). "The Fellowship of Ink" was essentially a pilot for a series of novels that's never been written; so much potential not carried through. Perhaps this might be a route to getting more?
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Jan 30, 2021 20:39:31 GMT
I enjoy Magrs's work, but it's often quite frustrating the way he picks up and runs with various ideas in various inconsistent contexts ("To the Devil a Diva" is brilliantly written but NOTHING happens; one of the Brenda and Effie books deals with the same main plotline, so why not jsut read that?). "The Fellowship of Ink" was essentially a pilot for a series of novels that's never been written; so much potential not carried through. Perhaps this might be a route to getting more? That would be nice; if this led to more original works.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Jan 30, 2021 22:42:39 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Mar 10, 2021 18:34:11 GMT
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