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Post by apollo2019 on Feb 27, 2021 18:28:06 GMT
A friend of mine told me there was a fan theory that the General is Romana using a different name owing to the fact it was revealed in Hell bent she'd had 10 female and 1 male incarnation. So i did some digging and apparently Jonathan Morris backs the theory and has said the next official story he writes whenever that is, he's going to make it canon.
Thinking about how that would work considering in the latest Gallifrey box set, Rassilon imprisoned her in a pocket universe, i thought that in the young War Doctor series, maybe he somehow frees her from her prison and sends her into the past for her own safety, where she regenerates into her third incarnation (hopefully Juliet Landau again) and assumes a new identity, eventually becoming the General. Haven't figured out yet why she would want to become Gallifrey's military leader, but it's notable she survived the Time War and eventually helped the twelfth Doctor exile Rassilon from Gallifrey.
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Post by grinch on Feb 27, 2021 18:58:17 GMT
Admittedly, it’s the first time I’ve heard of this theory. Personally I prefer the General to be their own character than simply another incarnation of Romana.
Feel like she’d have revealed her true identity to the Twelfth Doctor anyway considering their history with one another.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 19:01:29 GMT
I can't see it, not for a moment. As grinch says, one of them would have mentioned it, and it's hard enough accepting the Doctor shooting anyone down, but definitely not Romana.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 28, 2021 0:11:23 GMT
First time Ive heard this theory too.
Its interesting but yeah dont think it quite works
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Post by constonks on Feb 28, 2021 4:28:04 GMT
Not a fan, personally, partly because the Doctor Who Magazine comics already gave the General a name - Kenossium! I'd rather see Big Finish explore the General as a character in her first nine incarnations, whether she was in the military, the CIA, the Chancellery Guard... Who knows?
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 28, 2021 11:08:17 GMT
I can't see it, not for a moment. As grinch says, one of them would have mentioned it, and it's hard enough accepting the Doctor shooting anyone down, but definitely not Romana.Worst scene by far in New Who..... |
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 28, 2021 11:23:10 GMT
I can't see it, not for a moment. As grinch says, one of them would have mentioned it, and it's hard enough accepting the Doctor shooting anyone down, but definitely not Romana.Worst scene by far in New Who..... Really? the worst scene in New Who i can already think of several scenes that are much worse (mind you half of them are 13th Doctor era scenes)
i dont have any issues with The Doctor shooting people (he did it alot in the classic era) but Hell Bent was one of the worst capaldi era stories and before the current era the worst episode of the revival
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Post by The Brigadier on Feb 28, 2021 12:02:39 GMT
It's a nice idea..in theory. In reality..not so much.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 28, 2021 12:03:38 GMT
Worst scene by far in New Who..... Really? the worst scene in New Who i can already think of several scenes that are much worse (mind you half of them are 13th Doctor era scenes)
i dont have any issues with The Doctor shooting people (he did it alot in the classic era) but Hell Bent was one of the worst capaldi era stories and before the current era the worst episode of the revival
Yep, I totally agree.
I think I just do not like the Doctor shooting people.... especially non-villains and actually helpful people like the general. The Doctor just shot him for.... reasons.
I can understand Five shooting the Cybermen or Four holding the villains in check with a pistol. Or Sixie running around with a gun. But all these instances were violence against the villains, not just some more or less friendly guy standing in the way. That was wrong.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Feb 28, 2021 12:06:31 GMT
I can't see it, not for a moment. As grinch says, one of them would have mentioned it, and it's hard enough accepting the Doctor shooting anyone down, but definitely not Romana.Worst scene by far in New Who..... So true, & from the Doctor who bangs on more than once about being kind. Another reason why I hate the 12th Doctor. |
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Post by number13 on Feb 28, 2021 12:24:16 GMT
Worst scene by far in New Who..... So true, & from the Doctor who bangs on more than once about being kind. Another reason why I hate the 12th Doctor. But it's "the writing" isn't it? Not the Doctor. 2/3 of his finales were bad to rubbish imo, and then the very last one was wonderful.
Same with Jodie. So far, one of her finales was forgettable and the second one I just wish I could forget. So it's the writing, not the Doctor. Although I do think Peter Capaldi was the far better Doctor, but that's just me.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 28, 2021 12:41:32 GMT
Really? the worst scene in New Who i can already think of several scenes that are much worse (mind you half of them are 13th Doctor era scenes)
i dont have any issues with The Doctor shooting people (he did it alot in the classic era) but Hell Bent was one of the worst capaldi era stories and before the current era the worst episode of the revival
Yep, I totally agree.
I think I just do not like the Doctor shooting people.... especially non-villains and actually helpful people like the general. The Doctor just shot him for.... reasons.
I can understand Five shooting the Cybermen or Four holding the villains in check with a pistol. Or Sixie running around with a gun. But all these instances were violence against the villains, not just some more or less friendly guy standing in the way. That was wrong.
The Third and Fourth Doctor used guns quite a fair bit (Day of the daleks, talons of weing chiang, seeds of doom and the sontaran 4th doctor and leela story)
I find it baffling that Steven Moffatt wrote Hell Bent and the previous story Heaven Sent which was one of the best 12th Doctor stories of his era as the stark contrast between the two is unbelievable)
i mean Hell bent had so much wrong with it
The Doctor shooting his own ally who was helping him throughout the story (could have easily have pistol whipped)
Clara coming back after her death / Exit
Rassilon went from Impressive Powerful Timothy Dalton to a bloke that had no intimidation whatsover and got easily kicked off the planet
The Hybrid Resolution which made no sense and was complete BS
if it wasnt For The Timeless Children this would be my all time hated episode of the franchise
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Post by number13 on Feb 28, 2021 13:11:06 GMT
As for the 'theory', no, just no. I don't see the rationale or the point. Romana is Romana, why would she possibly become the General?
And after all those adventures together, surely the Doctor would have recognised Romana in an instant, whatever body she was wearing. Even at the start of 'Destiny of the Daleks', he never doubted it was her!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 13:51:30 GMT
Really? the worst scene in New Who i can already think of several scenes that are much worse (mind you half of them are 13th Doctor era scenes)
i dont have any issues with The Doctor shooting people (he did it alot in the classic era) but Hell Bent was one of the worst capaldi era stories and before the current era the worst episode of the revival
Yep, I totally agree.
I think I just do not like the Doctor shooting people.... especially non-villains and actually helpful people like the general. The Doctor just shot him for.... reasons.
I can understand Five shooting the Cybermen or Four holding the villains in check with a pistol. Or Sixie running around with a gun. But all these instances were violence against the villains, not just some more or less friendly guy standing in the way. That was wrong.
That scene in Earthshock is probably one of the best examples of how to do a scene like that well. It's this frenzied, frantic, panicked moment. Tegan saves the Doctor's life, he saves Nyssa's and the console room just goes mad. The shooting itself is horrific, but it's the only solution he has because the Cyber-Leader has no interest in negotiation. It will just kill him, kill Tegan, kill Nyssa and take the TARDIS. There are no clever barbs, no wit that can get him out of that situation, just straightforward brawn. And it's... messy. He has to keep firing. Again and again and again. Into the Leader's chest to stop it from getting back onto its feet and murdering everyone in that room. It feels uncomfortable, as it should for the Doctor, but it's difficult to find fault with his reaction there when it was the armed Cyberman vs. the unarmed passengers. |
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Post by apollo2019 on Feb 28, 2021 16:28:30 GMT
As for the 'theory', no, just no. I don't see the rationale or the point. Romana is Romana, why would she possibly become the General?
And after all those adventures together, surely the Doctor would have recognised Romana in an instant, whatever body she was wearing. Even at the start of 'Destiny of the Daleks', he never doubted it was her! And yet the twelfth Doctor didn't know Missy was a Time Lord until he felt her hearts, let alone that she was a female incarnation of his greatest frenemy! So why would he know the General was a male incarnation of Romana, especially as they hadn't seen each other since Zagreus and on bad terms? And why would this possible Romana reveal themselves when the last they heard, the Doctor was in his War incarnation? Although not a perfect theory, i much prefer it to not seeing another incarnation of Romana other than Lalla Ward. Is there some contract with her that there can't be another Romana? I really enjoyed Juliet Landau as the third Romana and would liked to have seen more of her in an official capacity or another actress' interpretation of the character. |
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 28, 2021 17:24:22 GMT
As for the 'theory', no, just no. I don't see the rationale or the point. Romana is Romana, why would she possibly become the General?
And after all those adventures together, surely the Doctor would have recognised Romana in an instant, whatever body she was wearing. Even at the start of 'Destiny of the Daleks', he never doubted it was her! And yet the twelfth Doctor didn't know Missy was a Time Lord until he felt her hearts, let alone that she was a female incarnation of his greatest frenemy! So why would he know the General was a male incarnation of Romana, especially as they hadn't seen each other since Zagreus and on bad terms? And why would this possible Romana reveal themselves when the last they heard, the Doctor was in his War incarnation? Although not a perfect theory, i much prefer it to not seeing another incarnation of Romana other than Lalla Ward. Is there some contract with her that there can't be another Romana? I really enjoyed Juliet Landau as the third Romana and would liked to have seen more of her in an official capacity or another actress' interpretation of the character. Yes the being able to tell if it is another TimeLord does seem to be dependent on the writer and what the story requires. The whole Juliet Landau as Romana just seems odd. There is most definitely a story to be told and Big Finish most definitely do not want to tell that story. I am not a fan of this theory that Romana is the General, but what I am most surprised about is Jonathan Morris wanting to confirm it in an adventure! |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Feb 28, 2021 17:57:07 GMT
As for the 'theory', no, just no. I don't see the rationale or the point. Romana is Romana, why would she possibly become the General? And after all those adventures together, surely the Doctor would have recognised Romana in an instant, whatever body she was wearing. Even at the start of 'Destiny of the Daleks', he never doubted it was her! And yet the twelfth Doctor didn't know Missy was a Time Lord until he felt her hearts, let alone that she was a female incarnation of his greatest frenemy! So why would he know the General was a male incarnation of Romana, especially as they hadn't seen each other since Zagreus and on bad terms? And why would this possible Romana reveal themselves when the last they heard, the Doctor was in his War incarnation? Although not a perfect theory, i much prefer it to not seeing another incarnation of Romana other than Lalla Ward. Is there some contract with her that there can't be another Romana? I really enjoyed Juliet Landau as the third Romana and would liked to have seen more of her in an official capacity or another actress' interpretation of the character. But The General being Romana doesn't add anything, apart from making the universe of Doctor Who smaller. Also is there any evidence that Jonathan Morris backs the theory? |
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Post by sherlock on Feb 28, 2021 18:01:01 GMT
Huh, I had not heard this theory before. Big Finish’s recent releases have thoroughly disproved it.
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Post by apollo2019 on Feb 28, 2021 19:55:16 GMT
And yet the twelfth Doctor didn't know Missy was a Time Lord until he felt her hearts, let alone that she was a female incarnation of his greatest frenemy! So why would he know the General was a male incarnation of Romana, especially as they hadn't seen each other since Zagreus and on bad terms? And why would this possible Romana reveal themselves when the last they heard, the Doctor was in his War incarnation? Although not a perfect theory, i much prefer it to not seeing another incarnation of Romana other than Lalla Ward. Is there some contract with her that there can't be another Romana? I really enjoyed Juliet Landau as the third Romana and would liked to have seen more of her in an official capacity or another actress' interpretation of the character. But The General being Romana doesn't add anything, apart from making the universe of Doctor Who smaller. Also is there any evidence that Jonathan Morris backs the theory? Yes, he replied to the theory on twitter basically saying that as soon as he's able to he intends to confirm it in official canon material. |
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Post by grinch on Feb 28, 2021 20:16:01 GMT
I just don’t really get what retroactively making the General another incarnation of Romana adds to the Doctor Who universe.
Just raises more questions than answers in my opinion.
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