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Post by mark687 on Mar 16, 2021 15:00:34 GMT
I still don't get the view a Range for every Doctor makes the overall Customer experience easier for new Customers Also length of stories if the move is towards 3 or 4 disc boxsets I'm hoping we will still get a lot of self-cotained 4 and 2 part stories especialy as i think that format is the most comfortable for new customers Regards mark687 Hmmm depends how they label the adventure boxsets Will it be like The “x” doctors volume 1 Or The “x” Doctor and “companion name” volume 1 Or The “x” Doctor- “insert title of Boxset here” Exactly my personal preference would be for 2 or 3 complete stories per boxset with a Doctor so options 1 and 2. I do acknowledge however that due to Actor availability an ongoing narratives across boxsets may be easier to do (even though it can make me more nit-picky) Regards mark687 |
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Post by number13 on Mar 16, 2021 15:35:48 GMT
I hope this hasn't been shared elsewhere. In a Sci-Fi Bulletin feature about the final monthly range release, there are some words about the future of our classic Doctors.
And here are a few choice words ...
“To anyone visiting us for the first time, trying to work out where to start or which set of adventures to embark upon first, it’s very confusing that each Doctor doesn’t have their own separate range. And that confusion creates a barrier between a potential listener and Big Finish, and a listener losing out. “The Big Finish Main/The Monthly Adventures range is like the bud on a flower – full of great stuff but locked in where no one can see it. By reorganising the way we release things, we’re not stopping/cancelling/ending anything. We’re simply allowing that bud to flower. “As it opens up, the detail of how beautiful all these exciting stories are is revealed. You can see which Doctors feature in which adventures. This really is the beginning of something very exciting. And as with all great Doctor Who, there will be something old, something new, something borrowed and, of course, something blue… vworp, vworp… Four-part stories, two-part stories, three-part stories… maybe even six-part stories. Exciting casting, old monsters, new monsters… so many thrilling adventures ahead.” The bit they forgot...
and for former subscribers to the MR who are used to paying £130 for 12 2CD releases (or £10.83 per 2CD release or £5.42 per CD) plus a free 1 CD release of your choice and 4 subscriber STs, there will be a thrilling price rise to look forward to as well! How large? If (judging by 'Wicked Sisters') a 3CD set costs £19.99 and there are no bundle discounts, that'll be £6.66 per CD or a truly exciting 23% price rise! And no free release of your choice and no bonus STs.
(Come on BF, I hope you'll prove me wrong! Remember your former loyal subscribers in this brave new flowering world.  ) |
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Post by mark687 on Mar 16, 2021 15:52:11 GMT
I hope this hasn't been shared elsewhere. In a Sci-Fi Bulletin feature about the final monthly range release, there are some words about the future of our classic Doctors.
And here are a few choice words ...
“To anyone visiting us for the first time, trying to work out where to start or which set of adventures to embark upon first, it’s very confusing that each Doctor doesn’t have their own separate range. And that confusion creates a barrier between a potential listener and Big Finish, and a listener losing out. “The Big Finish Main/The Monthly Adventures range is like the bud on a flower – full of great stuff but locked in where no one can see it. By reorganising the way we release things, we’re not stopping/cancelling/ending anything. We’re simply allowing that bud to flower. “As it opens up, the detail of how beautiful all these exciting stories are is revealed. You can see which Doctors feature in which adventures. This really is the beginning of something very exciting. And as with all great Doctor Who, there will be something old, something new, something borrowed and, of course, something blue… vworp, vworp… Four-part stories, two-part stories, three-part stories… maybe even six-part stories. Exciting casting, old monsters, new monsters… so many thrilling adventures ahead.” The bit they forgot...
and for former subscribers to the MR who are used to paying £130 for 12 2CD releases (or £10.83 per 2CD release or £5.42 per CD) plus a free 1 CD release of your choice and 4 subscriber STs, there will be a thrilling price rise to look forward to as well! How large? If (judging by 'Wicked Sisters') a 3CD set costs £19.99 and there are no bundle discounts, that'll be £6.66 per CD or a truly exciting 23% price rise! And no free release of your choice and no bonus STs.
(Come on BF, I hope you'll prove me wrong! Remember your former loyal subscribers in this brave new flowering world. ) Also there's that as well! Regards mark687 |
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 16, 2021 15:55:07 GMT
I like the 4 episode 120 minute structure, not every release needs be a 4 hr boxset, I'm hoping they still keep to the 4 episode format in future releases. I don't feel the current Fifth Doctor arc & Sixth Doctor & Constance/Flip been resolved yet. This has been confirmed. Some 3-disc sets will have a four and a two parter, some 4-disc sets will have 2 four parters. The change won't remove story format, it'll just allow there to be different formats within releases, and make it more interesting rather than every story being a four parter. |
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Post by pawntake on Mar 16, 2021 16:00:28 GMT
A lot of people have pointed out that they would rather purchase stories featuring their favourite Doctor,which was something a main range sub did not allow you to do.Now they will have that choice.The qestion of value for money is something we cannot yet judge! We keep hearing the word Boxsets,so the question is,What constitutes a Boxset?
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 16, 2021 16:04:00 GMT
I hope this hasn't been shared elsewhere. In a Sci-Fi Bulletin feature about the final monthly range release, there are some words about the future of our classic Doctors.
And here are a few choice words ...
“To anyone visiting us for the first time, trying to work out where to start or which set of adventures to embark upon first, it’s very confusing that each Doctor doesn’t have their own separate range. And that confusion creates a barrier between a potential listener and Big Finish, and a listener losing out. “The Big Finish Main/The Monthly Adventures range is like the bud on a flower – full of great stuff but locked in where no one can see it. By reorganising the way we release things, we’re not stopping/cancelling/ending anything. We’re simply allowing that bud to flower. “As it opens up, the detail of how beautiful all these exciting stories are is revealed. You can see which Doctors feature in which adventures. This really is the beginning of something very exciting. And as with all great Doctor Who, there will be something old, something new, something borrowed and, of course, something blue… vworp, vworp… Four-part stories, two-part stories, three-part stories… maybe even six-part stories. Exciting casting, old monsters, new monsters… so many thrilling adventures ahead.” The bit they forgot...
and for former subscribers to the MR who are used to paying £130 for 12 2CD releases (or £10.83 per 2CD release or £5.42 per CD) plus a free 1 CD release of your choice and 4 subscriber STs, there will be a thrilling price rise to look forward to as well! How large? If (judging by 'Wicked Sisters') a 3CD set costs £19.99 and there are no bundle discounts, that'll be £6.66 per CD or a truly exciting 23% price rise! And no free release of your choice and no bonus STs.
(Come on BF, I hope you'll prove me wrong! Remember your former loyal subscribers in this brave new flowering world. ) Briggs has said that there will be bundles, which will mean you pay less per release. Also, comparing a subscription to a single release isn't really fair. Taking Wicked Sisters vs a MR story, it's £19.99 for three discs vs £14.99 for two, meaning you pay less per disc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 16:50:33 GMT
A lot of people have pointed out that they would rather purchase stories featuring their favourite Doctor,which was something a main range sub did not allow you to do.Now they will have that choice.The qestion of value for money is something we cannot yet judge! We keep hearing the word Boxsets,so the question is,What constitutes a Boxset? This is actually the bit I'm more cautious about. BF say that all the classic Docs will be getting the same treatment, they'll all be regular as ever etc. Yet what if a Doctor's saes plummet compared to the others? What if one catchees on like wildfire? There have been times where all the Docs have had good eras at BF and less successful ones based on popular fan opinion. The subscription model meant that fan opinion wouldn't affect sales too badly as your base have paid beforehand, and probably before any story details were announced. Once we're into an era of picking and choosing everything, I do worry that boxsets will have to become a bit more....gimmicky for lack of a better term. That they'll often have something else to hedge BF's bets rather than just feel like 3 new adventures with a classic TARDIS crew. That's only a potential downside though and I'm sure BF have thought about that as well. How to keep the momentum going for each incarnation. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 16, 2021 17:01:42 GMT
What would we buying into with bundles though? Will people know in advance what the next 2 or 3 boxsets are about? Hard to picture with as tight lipped as they've been so far about what's after the MR. Will people who avoid buying subs because they can't narrow them down to a favorite Doctor avoid bundles because they don't want to get stuck with a Companion they don't like? How do we do on shipping if the bundles are spread out over 2 or 3 years or stock if someone waits 3 years until all the items in the bundle are out to purchase? Someone has a plan, I hope??
Your favorite thing is coming to an end. What does the future hold? We're not telling you. Muwahahaha!
Personally I prefer the stories to be full of suspense, not the shopping... :-)
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Post by mark687 on Mar 16, 2021 17:18:25 GMT
Wow the new Bundles to complete the MRs (just via a particular Doctor) are about £50 more then a 12 Release Sub and there's only 1-3 releases more included.
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Post by vivdunstan on Mar 16, 2021 17:55:50 GMT
Sad to just get my last “CD dispatched” email for a Main Range Monthly Adventures release. The new boxset model doesn’t work well for the way I pick and choose which to keep. Typically I would keep 1 or 2 out of every 3 stories, but enjoy listening to all of them, and then sell on the ones I don't keep. I’m not keen on download alone given the high cost of subscribing (I know I am lucky not to pay an extra hefty overseas postal surcharge). So I may be out. Been listening to these since 2004. At least I still have my Torchwood monthly CDs for now! Phew.
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Post by grinch on Mar 16, 2021 18:02:27 GMT
You know, with all this talk of old monsters returning for boxsets alongside original ones I’m actually trying to think of what classic monsters Big Finish haven’t used at some point.
Maybe we’ll get a prequel to The Underwater Menace featuring a young and slightly less mad Professor Zaroff trying to escape over the Iron Curtain?
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 16, 2021 18:02:46 GMT
What would we buying into with bundles though? Will people know in advance what the next 2 or 3 boxsets are about? Hard to picture with as tight lipped as they've been so far about what's after the MR. Will people who avoid buying subs because they can't narrow them down to a favorite Doctor avoid bundles because they don't want to get stuck with a Companion they don't like? How do we do on shipping if the bundles are spread out over 2 or 3 years or stock if someone waits 3 years until all the items in the bundle are out to purchase? Someone has a plan, I hope?? Your favorite thing is coming to an end. What does the future hold? We're not telling you. Muwahahaha! Personally I prefer the stories to be full of suspense, not the shopping... :-) They have three-quarters of a year to announce things. My guess is they'll start announcing stuff very soon. They've clearly done this for financial reasons, so I highly doubt this won't be well thought-out. |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 16, 2021 19:05:13 GMT
You know, with all this talk of old monsters returning for boxsets alongside original ones I’m actually trying to think of what classic monsters Big Finish haven’t used at some point. Maybe we’ll get a prequel to The Underwater Menace featuring a young and slightly less mad Professor Zaroff trying to escape over the Iron Curtain? By my reckoning, these are the only classic series stories left that Big Finish hasn’t done some kind of sequel/prequel or tie-in to- {Spoiler-tagged for length}
The Edge of Destruction
Marco Polo
The Aztecs
The Reign of Terror
Planet of Giants
The Rescue
The Romans
The Crusade
The Space Museum
The Chase
The Myth Makers
The Massacre
The Ark
The Gunfighters
The Smugglers
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Evil of the Daleks
The Abominable Snowmen
The Enemy of the World
Fury from the Deep
The Wheel in Space
The Dominators
The Space Pirates
The War Games
The Ambassadors of Death
Colony in Space
The Mutants
The Time Monster
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
The Sontaran Experiment
Planet of Evil
The Face of Evil
Underworld
The Ribos Operation
The Pirate Planet
The Stones of Blood
The Androids of Tara
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
The Leisure Hive
Meglos
Four to Doomsday
Kinda
Black Orchid
Time-Flight
Mawdryn Undead
The King’s Demons
The Awakening
Planet of Evil
The Twin Dilemma
Attack of the Cybermen
The Two Doctors
Timelash
Delta and the Bannermen
Silver Nemesis
Battlefield
Ghost Light
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Post by grinch on Mar 16, 2021 19:15:08 GMT
You know, with all this talk of old monsters returning for boxsets alongside original ones I’m actually trying to think of what classic monsters Big Finish haven’t used at some point. Maybe we’ll get a prequel to The Underwater Menace featuring a young and slightly less mad Professor Zaroff trying to escape over the Iron Curtain? By my reckoning, these are the only classic series stories left that Big Finish hasn’t done some kind of sequel/prequel or tie-in to- {Spoiler-tagged for length}
The Edge of Destruction
Marco Polo
The Aztecs
The Reign of Terror
Planet of Giants
The Rescue
The Romans
The Crusade
The Space Museum
The Chase
The Myth Makers
The Massacre
The Ark
The Gunfighters
The Smugglers
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Evil of the Daleks
The Abominable Snowmen
The Enemy of the World
Fury from the Deep
The Wheel in Space
The Dominators
The Space Pirates
The War Games
The Ambassadors of Death
Colony in Space
The Mutants
The Time Monster
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
The Sontaran Experiment
Planet of Evil
The Face of Evil
Underworld
The Ribos Operation
The Pirate Planet
The Stones of Blood
The Androids of Tara
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
The Leisure Hive
Meglos
Four to Doomsday
Kinda
Black Orchid
Time-Flight
Mawdryn Undead
The King’s Demons
The Awakening
Planet of Evil
The Twin Dilemma
Attack of the Cybermen
The Two Doctors
Timelash
Delta and the Bannermen
Silver Nemesis
Battlefield
Ghost Light
Survival Huh. That’s a lot more than I thought it would be. Mind you, it gets rather murky when it comes to Dalek stories considering how they tend to continue on elements introduced in one story into other stories. |
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Post by constonks on Mar 16, 2021 19:52:29 GMT
You know, with all this talk of old monsters returning for boxsets alongside original ones I’m actually trying to think of what classic monsters Big Finish haven’t used at some point. Maybe we’ll get a prequel to The Underwater Menace featuring a young and slightly less mad Professor Zaroff trying to escape over the Iron Curtain? By my reckoning, these are the only classic series stories left that Big Finish hasn’t done some kind of sequel/prequel or tie-in to- {Spoiler-tagged for length}
The Edge of Destruction
Marco Polo
The Aztecs
The Reign of Terror
Planet of Giants
The Rescue
The Romans
The Crusade
The Space Museum
The Chase
The Myth Makers
The Massacre
The Ark
The Gunfighters
The Smugglers
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Evil of the Daleks
The Abominable Snowmen
The Enemy of the World
Fury from the Deep
The Wheel in Space
The Dominators
The Space Pirates
The War Games
The Ambassadors of Death
Colony in Space
The Mutants
The Time Monster
Invasion of the Dinosaurs
The Sontaran Experiment
Planet of Evil
The Face of Evil
Underworld
The Ribos Operation
The Pirate Planet
The Stones of Blood
The Androids of Tara
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
The Leisure Hive
Meglos
Four to Doomsday
Kinda
Black Orchid
Time-Flight
Mawdryn Undead
The King’s Demons
The Awakening
Planet of Evil
The Twin Dilemma
Attack of the Cybermen
The Two Doctors
Timelash
Delta and the Bannermen
Silver Nemesis
Battlefield
Ghost Light
Survival Give me a long list and I'll give you too many thoughts: First there are a few they've already done:
The Rescue - The Crash of the UK-201
The Chase - I mean... the Mechanoids have shown up a few times, Return of the Rocket Men has prequel elements for Steven. Not sure what else you could do!
The Faceless Ones - the Chameleons showed up in a Torchwood
The Abominable Snowmen - The Secrets of Det-Sen, coming soon!
The Wheel in Space - Legend of the Cybermen, kind of... and also the Zoe CCs kind of
Kinda - The Cradle of the Snake
Then there are the Historicals (Marco Polo, The Aztecs, The Reign of Terror, The Romans, The Crusade, The Myth Makers, The Massacre, The Gunfighters, The Smugglers, The Highlanders and Black Orchid) which, unless the Doctor appears in the same spot and meets the same people, are pretty hard to write a sequel for. EDIT: I should note, though, that Lawrence Miles followed up a Highlanders plot point in Alien Bodies, BBC Books did two different prequels to the Romans and the Virgin Missing Adventures as well as our own Tim Bradley have returned to the world of Black Orchid, so it's not impossible!Also I've no idea how you'd pre/sequelize The Edge of Destruction. Or Planet of Giants given that Candy Jar did the other (full-sized) side of the story already! But here's the ones on the list I think deserve SPECIAL MENTIONS:The Ark - Monoids have appeared in a Benny, but there's definitely room for a sequel about Refusis!
The Power of the Daleks - "Return to Vulcan" has a certain ring to it...
The Macra Terror - more Macra!
The Evil of the Daleks - DWM did a cool followup with the Humanized Daleks but there's still some room for creativity.
The Enemy of the World - Titan's already brought back Salamander, but I'd like to see more of the world of 2018!
The War Games - this one's surprising to me, I feel like the War Lords could come back in a big way (personally I want to see them turn into Peace Lords during the Time War)
The Ambassadors of Death - should we explain the ambiguous aliens? Does that rob them of their mystery? Trick question, of course we should.
The Time Monster - apparently BF flirted with the idea of including a Chronovore in Legacy of Time... Only a matter of time I think!
The Leisure Hive - give me more Foamasi dangit
Time-Flight & The King’s Demons - such an opportunity for Master/Kamelion stories set between these two!
Battlefield - if the Beeb allowed BF to cast a Distant Future Merlin Doctor, I'd lose my mind.
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Post by eldersensorite on Mar 16, 2021 21:42:50 GMT
I still don't get the view a Range for every Doctor makes the overall Customer experience easier for new Customers Also length of stories if the move is towards 3 or 4 disc boxsets I'm hoping we will still get a lot of self-cotained 4 and 2 part stories especialy as i think that format is the most comfortable for new customers Regards mark687 Totally agree with the first point - I recently introduced a friend to Big Finish and she was so overwhelmed by using the website, I can totally see how it's difficult to navigate for newcomers and I'm sceptical adding a whole new layer of new ranges on top of what's already there will help at all. |
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Mar 16, 2021 21:55:04 GMT
{Spoiler}
The Macra Terror - more Macra! but {Spoiler}
there are no Macra! sorry ... and I will add to what you said with {Spoiler}
Some stories featuring Leela tie in (through her) to The Face of Evil
- most notably The Evil One
The main non-historic element of the King's Demons (other than the Master) was the Kamelion so the MR trilogy 247 to 249 can be considered a follow-on/tie-in |
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Post by constonks on Mar 16, 2021 22:07:47 GMT
{Spoiler}
The Macra Terror - more Macra! but {Spoiler}
there are no Macra! sorry ... and I will add to what you said with {Spoiler}
Some stories featuring Leela tie in (through her) to The Face of Evil
- most notably The Evil One
The main non-historic element of the King's Demons (other than the Master) was the Kamelion so the MR trilogy 247 to 249 can be considered a follow-on/tie-in Good catch with Face/Evil One - that should definitely count (although another story with the Sevateem could totally work - either Gallifrey-era Leela visiting her old home or the Leela encountering the Mordee expedition before their cultural devolution...) I suppose everything with Kamelion could count as a King's Demons sequel, but the partnership between Ainley and his silly singing robot is really just begging to be explored! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2021 23:30:02 GMT
I still don't get the view a Range for every Doctor makes the overall Customer experience easier for new Customers. I reality, it probably won't. New customers are still going to have to wade through all the various Doctor Who stories to find something they think they will like, no matter what you call the range! The only bonus for them now is that they can avoid any Doctors that don't appeal to them, should that be the case. |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 16, 2021 23:40:35 GMT
I still don't get the view a Range for every Doctor makes the overall Customer experience easier for new Customers Same. Anecdotally from Reddit, whenever newbies ask for help with Big Finish their main problems tend to be not knowing where to start due to the numerous ranges (a problem which splitting the Fifith, Sixth and Seventh into their own ranges actually makes worse) and high prices. Inevitably the new boxsets will cost more than a single Main Range audio, if anything making them less appealing to a newcomer wanting to dip their toe in the water. |
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