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Post by Whovitt on Mar 26, 2021 10:15:50 GMT
Okay, here's my theory of what 2022 will look like for Doctor Who content: We all knew we were moving over to 3-disc box sets for all the Main Range Doctors (I'm not sure if follow-up series to Stranded will retain the 4-disc set up or not). Based on today's announcement regarding the Fourth Doctor Adventures, I think we can begin to estimate approximately how many sets we'll get per Doctor per year. Before todays announcement, Tom Baker's 2022 run would have consisted of 8 discs. With the confirmation of a ninth disc for both Series 11 and 12, that suggests they're trying to bring the number of Fourth Doctor discs in line with the expected yearly output of the other Doctors, which we can infer to be 9 discs. That suggests, with 3 discs a set, we can expect to get 3 box sets per Doctor per year. If that's the case, we're getting 3 more discs worth of content from Doctors 5-7 a year! Other evidence that supports this theory: Dalek Universe is three 3-disc box sets. Need I say more? The Ninth Doctor Adventures are also scheduled to release 9 discs this year, with the remaining 3 of the currently announced episodes being released in early 2022. A bit circumstantial I'll grant you, but it does fit the facts... Is that right? We currently get 26 discs worth a year of Drs 5-7 with the MR (13x2) but if we move to 9 a year per Dr that is 27 (9x3) so only 1 disc more, not 3 You're absolutely right. I took 12 months and multiplied by 2, I completely forgot there were 13 MR releases a year. Yes, it would only be one extra disc, which means the output will be essentially identical, just reorganised into a different schedule
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 26, 2021 10:19:01 GMT
Okay, here's my theory of what 2022 will look like for Doctor Who content: We all knew we were moving over to 3-disc box sets for all the Main Range Doctors (I'm not sure if follow-up series to Stranded will retain the 4-disc set up or not). Based on today's announcement regarding the Fourth Doctor Adventures, I think we can begin to estimate approximately how many sets we'll get per Doctor per year. Before todays announcement, Tom Baker's 2022 run would have consisted of 8 discs. With the confirmation of a ninth disc for both Series 11 and 12, that suggests they're trying to bring the number of Fourth Doctor discs in line with the expected yearly output of the other Doctors, which we can infer to be 9 discs. That suggests, with 3 discs a set, we can expect to get 3 box sets per Doctor per year. If that's the case, we're getting 3 more discs worth of content from Doctors 5-7 a year! Other evidence that supports this theory: Dalek Universe is three 3-disc box sets. Need I say more? The Ninth Doctor Adventures are also scheduled to release 9 discs this year, with the remaining 3 of the currently announced episodes being released in early 2022. A bit circumstantial I'll grant you, but it does fit the facts... Is that right? We currently get 26 discs worth a year of Drs 5-7 with the MR (13x2) but if we move to 9 a year per Dr that is 27 (9x3) so only 1 disc more, not 3 This is true, but it'll now be 9 discs per Doctor per year, rather than 8 and one Doctor with 10. Also, it'll be better value - 19.99x3 is 59.97 for 9 discs rather than 14.99x4 which is 59.96 for 8 discs.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 10:27:37 GMT
Is that right? We currently get 26 discs worth a year of Drs 5-7 with the MR (13x2) but if we move to 9 a year per Dr that is 27 (9x3) so only 1 disc more, not 3 This is true, but it'll now be 9 discs per Doctor per year, rather than 8 and one Doctor with 10. Also, it'll be better value - 19.99x3 is 59.97 for 9 discs rather than 14.99x4 which is 59.96 for 8 discs. That is based on individual purchases, as a subscriber to the MR I paid £10.83 per release so 8 discs cost me £43.33. Granted there will be bundle deals on the new boxsets and we don't know what they will be, but I would be very very surprised if they work out better value than a MR sub when calculated on a per disc basis.
Thinking about it, that is probably a major (unstated) reason for ending the MR in addition to the publicly announced reasons - it is a way of getting in a price rise with as little fuss as possible.
Having said all that I would be very happy to be proved wrong when the bundle deals are announced.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 26, 2021 10:41:07 GMT
Another interesting thing with Today's 4DA announcement is that they've also pushed the release dates back to March and June for the next 2 years I wonder what Who's going in the January/ February slots instead
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 26, 2021 10:44:37 GMT
Another interesting thing with Today's 4DA announcement is that they've also pushed the release dates back to March and June for the next 2 years I wonder what Who's going in the January/ February slots instead Regards mark687 I imagine it's got more to do with the fact that the first two Series 13 box sets are scheduled for March/June 2024 than having alternate ideas for Jan/Feb. It's probably to establish a consistent release schedule every year moving forward. For instance, we can now anticipated that when Series 14 is announced, it will consist of 3 box sets, with one released in each of March, June, and September 2025.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 11:14:03 GMT
Thinking about it, that is probably a major (unstated) reason for ending the MR in addition to the publicly announced reasons - it is a way of getting in a price rise with as little fuss as possible. I'd say that ££ was the main reason for the MR ending and the move to box sets... Big Finish are a business, when any business changes the way it operates the bottom line is usually they'll make more money from doing so. I'm sure there will be deals for bundles and the usual pre-order discounts but if the change to box sets meant that Big Finish would be out of pocket in the long run, I'm pretty certain the MR would still be operating!
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Post by mark687 on Mar 26, 2021 11:16:19 GMT
Another interesting thing with Today's 4DA announcement is that they've also pushed the release dates back to March and June for the next 2 years I wonder what Who's going in the January/ February slots instead Regards mark687 I imagine it's got more to do with the fact that the first two Series 13 box sets are scheduled for March/June 2024 than having alternate ideas for Jan/Feb. It's probably to establish a consistent release schedule every year moving forward. For instance, we can now anticipated that when Series 14 is announced, it will consist of 3 box sets, with one released in each of March, June, and September 2025. True still leaves the issue of what goes in the vacant slots though. Regards mark687
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 26, 2021 11:38:32 GMT
I imagine it's got more to do with the fact that the first two Series 13 box sets are scheduled for March/June 2024 than having alternate ideas for Jan/Feb. It's probably to establish a consistent release schedule every year moving forward. For instance, we can now anticipated that when Series 14 is announced, it will consist of 3 box sets, with one released in each of March, June, and September 2025. True still leaves the issue of what goes in the vacant slots though. Regards mark687 Yeah, fair point. My guess is we'll get at least one box set from one of the 5-7 Doctors each month for Jan/Feb, with the three month gap between successive releases becoming the norm (with every 4th 3-month cycle off, if that makes sense). Allowing for a 10 Doctor release pattern, the end result would hypothetically look something like this, allowing for a more staggered release schedule across the year (it's a bit messy, but I think it conveys the point reasonably well): Jan - 2, 5 Feb - 6, 8 March - 4, 9, 10 April - 1, 2, 5 May - 3, 6, 7, 8 June - 4, 10 Jul - 1, 5 Aug - 3, 6 Sep - 4, 7, 9 Oct - 1, 2 Nov - 3, 8 Dec - 7, 9, 10
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Post by cwm on Mar 26, 2021 11:58:17 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown.
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 26, 2021 12:04:59 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. I know. That's why I said it was a hypothetical scenario. It's more the principle of the thing I was going for
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Post by theillusiveman on Mar 26, 2021 12:13:12 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. Well we got a fair number of 10DAs from 2020 to 2022
9 Episodes in The Dalek Universe Series
3 Episodes in The Out of Time Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Classic Companions Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Tenth Doctor and River Trilogy
1 Time Lord Victorious Audio
so 19 Audios in Total that are announced
wonder if there are more
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Post by mark687 on Mar 26, 2021 12:14:51 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. 3 maybe a bit much 2 perhaps, i mean he seems to be taking every TV job he's offered lately. Regards mark687
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Post by constonks on Mar 26, 2021 14:20:05 GMT
Okay, here's my theory of what 2022 will look like for Doctor Who content: We all knew we were moving over to 3-disc box sets for all the Main Range Doctors (I'm not sure if follow-up series to Stranded will retain the 4-disc set up or not). Based on today's announcement regarding the Fourth Doctor Adventures, I think we can begin to estimate approximately how many sets we'll get per Doctor per year. Before todays announcement, Tom Baker's 2022 run would have consisted of 8 discs. With the confirmation of a ninth disc for both Series 11 and 12, that suggests they're trying to bring the number of Fourth Doctor discs in line with the expected yearly output of the other Doctors, which we can infer to be 9 discs. That suggests, with 3 discs a set, we can expect to get 3 box sets per Doctor per year. If that's the case, we'll be getting 3 1 more disc worth of content from Doctors 5-7 a year One more disc, but the thirteenth release gave each one a third of a release per year, so it comes close to evening out. I'm going to guess nine hours/three sets a year for the Doctors they actually have and six hours/two sets for the ones they don't with more and less based on actor availability.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 26, 2021 14:24:04 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. Well we got a fair number of 10DAs from 2020 to 2022
9 Episodes in The Dalek Universe Series
3 Episodes in The Out of Time Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Classic Companions Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Tenth Doctor and River Trilogy
1 Time Lord Victorious Audio
so 19 Audios in Total that are announced
wonder if there are more
Aren't they all from lockdown 1? Maybe there will be another 19 from lockdown 2
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Post by cwm on Mar 26, 2021 14:30:05 GMT
In Lockdowns II & III TV and film production was able to continue, so I think Tennant spent a lot of it finishing Around the World in 80 Days and other projects interrupted by the first one.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 26, 2021 20:53:11 GMT
To sum up what I believe to be happening with the 2022 ranges (from various sources, none cited unfortunately as they're all memory), here's what's been confirmed so far, including the news today about the 4DAs:
- Each of the first twelve incarnations of the Doctor will have their own range of boxsets. Whether this means 1-12 or 1-11 + War remains unclear.
- The most common format for these boxsets will be 3-disc jewel cases, although slipover boxsets, 4- and 5- disc sets, and other formats will also be released from time to time.
- Any series currently running will keep the same format.
- There will be no price rise per story with the new ranges.
It's reasonable to assume that the increase to nine Fourth Doctor discs next year will be to keep it in line with the other Doctors (9 discs per Doctor), but I have doubts about this. For the past three years (at least), the Fourth Doctor has had additional releases to the 4DAs. In 2019 there were the Comic Strip Adaptations; in 2020 there was Genetics of the Daleks; in 2021 there will have been two Lost Stories, The Dalek Protocol, and another Philip Hinchcliffe Presents. I think this will be the same for other Doctors as well - maybe three 'main' releases each year but with additional stuff as well.
Hope this is a useful round-up.
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Post by dannybl on Mar 26, 2021 21:02:40 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. Well we got a fair number of 10DAs from 2020 to 2022
9 Episodes in The Dalek Universe Series
3 Episodes in The Out of Time Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Classic Companions Trilogy 3 Episodes in The Tenth Doctor and River Trilogy
1 Time Lord Victorious Audio
so 19 Audios in Total that are announced
wonder if there are more
Plus The Tenth Doctor's in an episode of Torchwood. So 20 audios!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 26, 2021 22:27:53 GMT
I think it's optimistic to presume we'll be getting three boxsets of stories a year from Tennant after lockdown. 3 maybe a bit much 2 perhaps, i mean he seems to be taking every TV job he's offered lately. Regards mark687 he has to feed his 10 children LOLZ
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 27, 2021 10:37:05 GMT
True still leaves the issue of what goes in the vacant slots though. Regards mark687 Yeah, fair point. My guess is we'll get at least one box set from one of the 5-7 Doctors each month for Jan/Feb, with the three month gap between successive releases becoming the norm (with every 4th 3-month cycle off, if that makes sense). Allowing for a 10 Doctor release pattern, the end result would hypothetically look something like this, allowing for a more staggered release schedule across the year (it's a bit messy, but I think it conveys the point reasonably well): Jan - 2, 5 Feb - 6, 8 March - 4, 9, 10 April - 1, 2, 5 May - 3, 6, 7, 8 June - 4, 10 Jul - 1, 5 Aug - 3, 6 Sep - 4, 7, 9 Oct - 1, 2 Nov - 3, 8 Dec - 7, 9, 10 Although I expect each of the Doctors to get an announcement of a three boxset run or collection of stories I wouldn’t be surprised if there is more than a four month gap between sets for some of the Doctors. Therefore not all will have 9 discs in a rolling 12 month period.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 28, 2021 11:58:56 GMT
Interesting Dorney just Tweeted to the effect that boxsets with the story format of (1 story across 1 boxset) like Wicked Sisters, 9DA The Ravagers and 6DA The Eleven Won't be the usual Format going forwards.
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