It'd be pretty hard for this to live up to the hype but i didn't expect it to fail on nearly every conceivable level. over long and under good and what was all that Wind in the Willows flim flam. There aren't many BF stories that i will never listen to again but this is one of them
Only listened to the first part so far but, wow, I'm disappointed by it.
Okay, Part 2 was a bit of an improvement, but overall quite disappointed by it. It wasn't actively awful by any means but I thought it was going to be more enjoyable than it was. I think there are far too many spinning plates in this story, for the most part the Hodiac just tends to repeat the same thing (talking about looking for his Other), Six and Mel don't really get into the main plot until Part 2 (they spend most of Part 1 making references to Wind in the Willows and just generally... being there and not much else), and I hate to say it but it's just a bit generic and bland.
Don't get me wrong, when it's good it's good, but unfortunately it's too far and few between for me. It's certainly very 80s Who (which includes its flaws...) mixed with RTD's era - it's quite interesting that here you get a flavour of the kind of themes he would bring into his later Who work.
The cast themselves are on fine form and the score was good, just a shame that its other flaws let it down.
For a story, it's... fine, but I expected more than that from this release.
Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 7, 2022 10:44:24 GMT
Well, that was underwhelming. Stellar performances from Colin and Bonnie and indeed all the cast, but...frankly if this hadn't RTD's name on it I'm not sure it would exist. At least not in the way it does now, as a Lost Story. If it was being proposed as a new story then I think it would go through a few more revisions and so on, at least. I'm not trying to be negative deliberately here, there is a need to separate out the hype/anticipation from the end result, but even with that it's not in any top list I have for Sixie, and with his work at BF that's a LONG list of excellent material.
Its got a sense of the ideas that RTD would hone later on, but it is utterly knee-capped by the traits of the 80s Who era it’s emulating. The plot takes an age to get going, with aplenty of superfluous TARDIS scenes, resulting in the Doctor and Mel not meeting any supporting characters till over halfway through (the comedy receptionist doesn’t count)! There are so many superfluous characters, like the array of minions the Hodiac just kills off whenever he fancies it, the aforementioned receptionist and the woman whose only job is to repeat after the Hodiac and give him someone to talk to as he just casually saunters his way to actually doing anything. There’s also the faction of warriors wanting to fight the Hodiac’s hired warriors for reasons which aren’t really elaborated at all.
So you end up with a well-performed (Annette Badland especially has a ball with her dialogue) and well-produced hybrid, sporting gems of ideas that RTD has built on spectacularly elsewhere and all the flaws to be expected with 80s Who.
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt too.
But I do have to say how much I love Annette Badland in everything she does. That woman can't do wrong in my opinion. I can't think of anything I've heard of seen her in where she wasn't superb.
You'd have loved her in Eastenders.
"You don't understand, i'm not a human being i'm a Timelord i walk in eternity"
I thought The Mind of Hoadic was fine. There was nothing wrong with it, but nothing I loved either.
As others have said, it gets stuck in its trappings, specifically Season 22 where the Doctor is kept out of events for the first half and pretty much everything he endures during that time is superfluous. There's a lot going on, so none of it is properly developed and ultimately means every single member of the guest cast is wasted. It's a shame because without the RTD name you won't get that in a Big Finish production, certainly not in that quantity.
Kudos to Scott Handcock, though, as you cannot tell the join between the two parts at all and that they're by different writers, nearly 40 years apart! I think this could've been something special if it was done in the style of other Lost Stories, or even the Novel Adaptations, where it's tackled from the ground up. I don't think that would've lessened the RTD branding either; marketing and appeal wise it remains the same, whether it's story by or written by.
NAME YOUR S***ING CHARACTERS IN THE DIALOGUE ASAP, RTD! How the heck did BF and Scott in particular let that lot get through? Slavish adherence to the almighty God of NuWho's original, where no mortal is worthy to do a quick edit for clarity's sake?
It's an audio drama now, not TV. We can't see if that bloke's tall and that one's short. Thank goodness they (mostly) sound a bit different.
And the overall story so far is bouncing along at 1.5 stars. Still, plenty of time to pick up. (Now then, what about that Yan Bingtao versus Mark Selby snooker epic last night, eh? That's what I call sport. )
Is it just me who realised that the Arthur Koestler Trust is a real thing - and calling the founder barking mad in the script is a dreadful slur. Shame. Another thing that should never have got through the editing process- unless RTD 'changed the spelling' - but not the pronounciation.
Part one get a big fat Null Points from this judge. Let's see what Scott can do to rescue it later in the week.
At the risk of being contrary, I really rather enjoyed this. My take is now up at CultBox.
I enjoyed it too. I think it might have been a better story if they’d more heavily edited the first episode but honestly I’d rather have the messier yet true to the original intention version that we got. It’s an extremely interesting historical document but also, IMO a fascinating merging of RTD’s early style blended with the style of 80s Who.
Well, it picked up a little in part two, but still my perennial gripe of characters given names on the script but never name-checked in the audio continued. Not a storyline that grabbed me, but then the person I was when this was written is not the person I am now. Times and tastes change. (Not entirely sure I'd have liked it back then, actually. The Hodiac came across more like a little boy who'd never been set boundaries than a special lifeform. If spanking was still legal, I'd have put him over my knee in a nanosecond. What all this says about RTD's (and my) psyches does not bear investigation.
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