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Post by constonks on Mar 23, 2021 22:36:41 GMT
From the Dalek Protocol thread:
Hmm. Mark Seven? Any relation to Gary Seven? (Star Trek- Assignment Earth - the Roddenberry pilot for a show that never was, as usual.) OT would never, ever, ever happen... but I'd love to see Big Finish do for Star Trek (or Babylon 5, come to think on it) what they've done for Doctor Who. Not sure how much, if any, Trek material I'd want/need to see expanded, but a Gary Seven range would be a lot of fun--especially if they went all-out with Isis(?) and made her a talking cat. See, I was about to reply to that message, but it was A) from a couple months ago and B) in the Dalek Protocol thread, when the topic at hand could definitely merit some dedicated discussion... So, fans of both Big Finish and Star Trek - and I expect the overlap is rather massive - what would you love to see if the impossible happened and BF was given the kind of access to Trek as they've gotten to Doctor Who, Blake's 7, Survivors and so on?
What ranges would you like to see? Novel and comic adaptations? Full-cast adventures with a specific cast? Weird and exciting spinoffs like the stories of Gary Seven as Kestrel mentioned? Or what about small-scale limited-cast adventures a la Class, Torchwood and Dark Shadows? There's definitely some room for, say, an adventure of Riker and Geordi one month and a story of Data and Worf the next. (Heck, half the time ST has trouble finding roles for its regulars, that type of production might do the stories a world of good!)
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Post by Digi on Mar 24, 2021 3:01:51 GMT
I'm quite content with how the franchise is being run on TV right now and don't really need any tie-ins. I think what would interest me most would be the adventures of a whole new, completely original crew. Set it in a little-explored era and/or region to avoid any part of the franchise stepping on its own toes, and just have Big Finish spin out its own story.
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Post by Jeedai on Mar 24, 2021 6:22:57 GMT
I dont care who does it... Paramount+, Big Finish, table-read podcast... But I want that eighth season of Deep Space Nine that was pitched in What We Left Behind and I want it NOW.
I have a Playmate's DS9 model and Micro Machine Defiant sitting right next to the computer I'm typing this on BTW. Best show of the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:19:27 GMT
I'm quite content with how the franchise is being run on TV right now and don't really need any tie-ins. I think what would interest me most would be the adventures of a whole new, completely original crew. Set it in a little-explored era and/or region to avoid any part of the franchise stepping on its own toes, and just have Big Finish spin out its own story. While we disagreed with the direction of TV Trek (though I thought Disco 3 was easily the best of all the newer projects so here's hoping that keeps going up) I agree for storytelling and licencing, not to mention casting, a new era would be best if BF, Audible or whomever, were handed the franchise. A bit like the New Frontier novels from the 90s. It's the only way CBS would even consider a sub-licence for it too, I think. BF got the rights to do the Prometheus trilogy but they were pretty poor. The only reason they could even get those is they were a very obscure set of German sub-licenced novels by Cross Cult, who literally only had the right to make three and no more. Wheras the rest of the Trek books are from Titan who have all the rights to books now, from TOS and TNG to Disco and Picard. It did lead to some people getting carried away thinking "BF have the Trek licence" when it was rather obvious that they had those 3 alone hence not even being able to use the Trek logo and "starting" with translations of three obscure sublicenced books . It would be like someone assuming the rights to make the Brigadier audiobooks gives Fantom the rights to make Doctor Who audio dramas too. Just imagining BF could somehow get the rights, it'd need to be a fresh crew or recasts as the ensembles would be a logistical nightmare even if all were willing to return. CBS did their own version of what Disney did with the Star Wars books and "Legends" in ending a lot of the lines, so I'm not sure they'd want them cluttered again on audio. In some cases though that was a mercy as they got REALLY fanjodrelly in the 2000s "contnuation" novels with the books treating the characters like a fan-cast, getting characters from multiple shows and putting them on crews together. Dax, Riker and Tuvok at one point was a particularly egregious example. It made the Trek Universe seem very limited and small which is a massive failure in my book. That would be horrible. Yes, Digi is right - a fresh crew would be best. I'd say in the period Nick Meyer and Bryan Fuller wanted Disco to go to next (when it was originally devised as an anthology show with much of the same cast, Trek's American Horror Story) and go to the period after Trek VI (or Generations, I guess) but before TNG. There's a loooong time to play with there and a lot happened. It wouldn't be post-Nemesis for me. Ideally it could be but given Picard...I like to imagine the DS9 and Voyager finales are as far as the timeline gets. CBS wouldn't allow any potential work to be set too far forward anyway I'm sure.
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Post by Chakoteya on Mar 24, 2021 11:28:41 GMT
I'm quite content with how the franchise is being run on TV right now and don't really need any tie-ins. I think what would interest me most would be the adventures of a whole new, completely original crew. Set it in a little-explored era and/or region to avoid any part of the franchise stepping on its own toes, and just have Big Finish spin out its own story. The TV trek being constant re-runs of TNG, DS9, Voy and now finally ENT with occasional forays into TOS. No Animated TOS- boo hiss.
The new stuff is just subscription streaming for the 'lucky' countries as far as I can tell, with just one series of DIS having been shown once in the very late hours in the UK on I think it was E4? or some such obscure channel without any fanfare.
So yeah, I think there is massive scope for BF or some other audiodrama company to pick up and do maybe the older novels even if they do have to recast them all. I'm only suggesting that because I hate audiobooks (zzzz) and finding print or e-copies of the early stuff is very difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:32:50 GMT
I dont care who does it... Paramount+, Big Finish, table-read podcast... But I want that eighth season of Deep Space Nine that was pitched in What We Left Behind and I want it NOW.
I have a Playmate's DS9 model and Micro Machine Defiant sitting right next to the computer I'm typing this on BTW. Best show of the franchise.
I backed the Indiegogo for that and got my name in the credits and a Tribble called Hank from Terry Farrell. When I saw the backers' stream for it all I could think of was how the hell can we not get this DS9 reboot now given that aging was written into all their thoughts in the concept. It was terrific and super-original. Yet Aron Eisenberg's sad death makes me think the time for that has long gone - especially with Avery Brooks who was already quite...mercurial...really being quite out there now. I'm not sure he'd be interested or focused enough. I think a comic version would be really cool though - where Aron can live on and Avery can be written and performed as well as the ink allows! The Voyager doc from the same team has raised $900,000 with 8 days to go. I was never anywhere near as big a VOY fan but I backed it anyway as the highs were very high. If we can't have these shows in HD then getting these films to celebrate their legacy is how I'm supporting "classic" Trek these days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:51:23 GMT
I'm quite content with how the franchise is being run on TV right now and don't really need any tie-ins. I think what would interest me most would be the adventures of a whole new, completely original crew. Set it in a little-explored era and/or region to avoid any part of the franchise stepping on its own toes, and just have Big Finish spin out its own story. The TV trek being constant re-runs of TNG, DS9, Voy and now finally ENT with occasional forays into TOS. No Animated TOS- boo hiss.
The new stuff is just subscription streaming for the 'lucky' countries as far as I can tell, with just one series of DIS having been shown once in the very late hours in the UK on I think it was E4? or some such obscure channel without any fanfare.
So yeah, I think there is massive scope for BF or some other audiodrama company to pick up and do maybe the older novels even if they do have to recast them all. I'm only suggesting that because I hate audiobooks (zzzz) and finding print or e-copies of the early stuff is very difficult.
I'm not sure E4 getting Disco repeats 2 years on was ever deserving of much fanfare - Netflix gets a lot more viewers than anything E4. Most UK viewers would have been able to watch Disco S1-3 by the time free to air TV got that first season. and going by Disco being in the top trending every time it's released I'd say people did, by and large, watch streaming. Likewise Amazon Prime having Picard and Lower Decks. A lot of people have these two services anyway. Some don't, sure, but that's the model these days for new and exclusive content. We certainly have it better than the US where having Netflix or Amazon Prime won't help - you'd need CBS All Access on top of that to see the shows. Ideally, yeah, it would have been sold to a free to air channel in the UK but it's not that different than the 90s where Sky had first run and BBC2 and C4 got repeats rights a few years on.
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Post by Chakoteya on Mar 24, 2021 14:04:28 GMT
^^ I know, I know. It's just my pension struggles sometimes to cover all the 'essentials' let alone new BF stuff, so paying for streaming TV is not happening for me. Hence my dislike for it and why it annoys me when that's the only place stuff I might like gets shown. At least the BBC has got BSG for me to catch up with at present.
So back on topic - there is so much scope for audio Trek, probably too much, that who knows where to even start? While CBS is milking the video cow, I would hazard that they'd only consider licensing the much older stuff - and then probably at silly money anyway like they did to the fan-run conventions who dared to mention the two magic words and/or wanted to have actors etc drop in for panels and autograph sessions.
But that's the nature of the beast these days, I suppose.
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Post by x2magneto on Mar 24, 2021 17:28:03 GMT
I've thought of this often. I might have mentioned this idea somewhere else on this forum before. The ST licence would be incredible.
To start out, you give BF a crew that they can create from scratch for the TOS era, give them the 60s sound library and a five year mission. See what happens.
I also think that a series set on DS9 when it was Terok Nor would be good.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 24, 2021 17:52:55 GMT
I would also love to see this, but I am aware it will never happen. They definitely should get their own crew, and have to option to have guest stars. They already have some Trek actors on board, and Bob Picardo is friends with Sylvester... Just imagine how awesome it would be to get some continuation after DS9. Without the blood and violence of Picard.
I also have not dared enter the DIS rabbit hole yet, because I just have an inkling it might not improve my mood.
Chakoteya- I totally get where you are coming from. I also have not signed up for streaming, except for Prime. I simply do not have the time to follow all the various series and franchises, and for me it is only a waste of money (especially since I am also not swimming in money). I just follow a few very select things. I also have this impression you got from conventions... It has become so commercialised that the smaller conventions we had back in the day in Germany have all died out. We only have a few big ones left (if at all thanks to COVID and the great way our govenment managed vaccinations). But as it is now, I do not think it would be possible anymore to have one of the better known Star Trek actors visit fanclubs for dinner... 20 years ago, my fanclub in Munich once had dinner with Bob Picardo, right during the golden age of Star Trek, when Voyager was still on air. That was really amazing and not sure that could happen in such a casual way anymore (well, apart from the people who spend hours dressing up as Klingons and Ferengi, but I would not call them "casual" exactly).
I find this sad.
Similar situation with the fan productions (video and I also assume fanfic). The creativity and spark has been taken completely out of the fandom.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 24, 2021 20:13:21 GMT
(And why hasn't Robert Picardo done a BF yet?)
I think that it's doubtful that BF would be able to carry a brand new totally original Star Trek-universe-set line, it would have to be a version of one of the tv series, or at the very least a recognised line from comics or novels (in the way that New Frontier is, for example).
The most probable scenario would be breaking out the old Companion Chronicles format, having one orignial cast member perform their character's official log entry, playing all the different roles except with a second actor to play off for the purposes of the story.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 24, 2021 23:02:41 GMT
(And why hasn't Robert Picardo done a BF yet?) No idea, anybody asked him yet? If there are ever conventions again back here in Germany, I might just do that.
He is hilarious. Just listen to the audios of his own book as the Doctor (no, the other one), they are up on Youtube since it's OOP.
Yeah, agree with you on the Companion Chronicles style stories, that might indeed be one of the only viable options...
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Post by grinch on Mar 24, 2021 23:12:26 GMT
(And why hasn't Robert Picardo done a BF yet?) I think that it's doubtful that BF would be able to carry a brand new totally original Star Trek-universe-set line, it would have to be a version of one of the tv series, or at the very least a recognised line from comics or novels (in the way that New Frontier is, for example). The most probable scenario would be breaking out the old Companion Chronicles format, having one orignial cast member perform their character's official log entry, playing all the different roles except with a second actor to play off for the purposes of the story. Robert Picardo would be great in a Big Finish. Not sure who’d he play but I guess we always have the remaining incarnations of The Collective to cast?
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 25, 2021 8:13:02 GMT
(And why hasn't Robert Picardo done a BF yet?) I think that it's doubtful that BF would be able to carry a brand new totally original Star Trek-universe-set line, it would have to be a version of one of the tv series, or at the very least a recognised line from comics or novels (in the way that New Frontier is, for example). The most probable scenario would be breaking out the old Companion Chronicles format, having one orignial cast member perform their character's official log entry, playing all the different roles except with a second actor to play off for the purposes of the story. Robert Picardo would be great in a Big Finish. Not sure who’d he play but I guess we always have the remaining incarnations of The Collective to cast? Or the Corsair...
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Post by grinch on Mar 25, 2021 8:14:34 GMT
Robert Picardo would be great in a Big Finish. Not sure who’d he play but I guess we always have the remaining incarnations of The Collective to cast? Or the Corsair... Depends on how Big Finish present the character I guess. I’m not exactly the biggest fan of Titan Comics depiction of the character myself.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 25, 2021 8:17:21 GMT
Depends on how Big Finish present the character I guess. I’m not exactly the biggest fan of Titan Comics depiction of the character myself. I agree, these comics were not the best. I was close to giving up on the comics back then. But at least the comics that followed (apart from TLV that is) were great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 11:16:31 GMT
I think there could be some good mileage in Gary Seven, if we're looking at preexisting properties. Anthony Stewart Head played him in the Eugenics Wars audiobooks. He did such an excellent job drawing me into the stakes of Seven's world that it was a bit jarring to hear him speak Klingonese at one point. I'd completely forgotten about the framing story with Kirk and crew in the 23rd century. There's a fan-written Assignment: Earth alternate history floating around somewhere where the series carried on with Nimoy and Barbara Feldon. From memory, they end up locking horns with another Supervisor and his familiar "played" by Pat Troughton and Jacqueline Hill, respectively, working at the United Nations headquarters in New York.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 27, 2021 11:41:01 GMT
How about an adaption of the two William Shatner books. The Return and Avenger.
I remember reading them back in the day and being entertained. Although I cannot recall much about them.
Produce them as a hybrid between narration and full cast for certain dialogue with music and sound effects. They might even be able to get William Shatner in to voice Kirk.
I believe these are already considered alternative timeline stories, but if successful Big Finish could continue the story on.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 27, 2021 15:38:54 GMT
I think a Shatner audio would be the best way to go*, but could BF afford him? OK, he's not a big movie star, but I suspect he might command a larger-than-average fee.
* Particularly if it's a good story that he can get his teeth into and do some proper acting. If you've not seen the Batman '66 cartoon he did (he was Twoface), it's worth watching, best role he's had in a very long time.
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 27, 2021 19:04:29 GMT
It's interesting to speculate, but sadly I think most of the "ideal" scenarios are pretty impossible. Like I don't see any scenario where the TOS or TNG casts get back together to record stories, and I'd be very hesitant about seeing any continuation of DS9 considering how poorly the LitVerse handled the characters and how bad Behr & co.'s pitch for a season 8 was ("we need to randomly kill off characters because that's what modern TV audiences expect" is such a shallow take).
Personally I'd say there are two approaches I'd be game for:
1. A continuation of Enterprise. This is basically the equivalent of the 6th Doctor's era of the TV show, right? A lot of potential for awesome storytelling let down by really, really awful writing.... cancelled right when things were finally improving. The "Rise of the Federation" books would provide some basic groundwork--stories focusing on the Earth-Romulan War, and the eventual establishment and early years of the Federation.
2. A standalone series focusing on a new ship, with a new crew, going off to explore the galaxy. Basically another TOS/TNG/VOY.
Though at this point, I must say, as much of a Trekkie as I am (and I'm an enormous one) I'd be pretty hesitant to jump into any new media, given how monumentally disappointing the Kurtzman era has been. The most important thing, I think, is that this hypothetical audio range adhere to the core themes and principles of the franchise--after that, nothing else really matters, does it?
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