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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 7, 2021 13:42:03 GMT
According to The Tardis Wikia Season 16 was to have a story featuring The Master's daughter trying to take revenge on the doctor on behalf of her father anyone think she would be an interesting addition to The War Master range?
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Post by grinch on Apr 7, 2021 17:06:20 GMT
Not sure I’d be too keen on the actual Master’s Daughter making an appearance. But I could see something such as The War Master travels with a companion who is apparently his Daughter for a while only to reveal that it’s some alien/otherworldly entity which has mesmerised the Master into thinking she’s really his daughter.
Then of course when he realises he’d exact some terrible revenge on her while musing that she could never hope “to come close to the real thing.”
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 7, 2021 17:22:46 GMT
According to The Tardis Wikia Season 16 was to have a story featuring The Master's daughter trying to take revenge on the doctor on behalf of her father
Not quite what it says.
It doesn't seem a great motivation, and the fact that Lucy Saxon was killed off suggests that there's not much scope for these kinds of secondary characters.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 7, 2021 20:32:46 GMT
Surely the Master’s Daughter was Nyssa?!
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Post by grinch on Apr 7, 2021 21:55:28 GMT
Surely the Master’s Daughter was Nyssa?! Saying that, I’m surprised we haven’t had a story where Ainley Master finds himself struggling with a newly awakened Tremas personality. Of course, such a story would naturally end with Tremas permanently ‘exorcised’ although perhaps in an act of self sacrifice to save his daughter?
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 9, 2021 3:02:27 GMT
Honestly the villain in Transcendence of ephros is about as close to this as I’d be willing to go.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 20, 2021 9:44:38 GMT
According to The Tardis Wikia Season 16 was to have a story featuring The Master's daughter trying to take revenge on the doctor on behalf of her father
Not quite what it says.
It doesn't seem a great motivation, and the fact that Lucy Saxon was killed off suggests that there's not much scope for these kinds of secondary characters.
Yeah, that's definitely not a great premise for a character. But I don't think the concept itself is inherently flawed... but any potential daughter would need to have a function defined by more than just her relationship to the Master. I think the example to point at in this case is Braxiatel, right? Speaking more broadly, I think some very interesting things could be done with family. Just, you know, in general. And not just with the Master! We know that Time Lords have families--children, siblings, spouses, parents--and the whole regeneration thing must, surely, produce some unique family dynamics. Yet that's never really been explored, to my knowledge. Definitely fertilere ground for Storytelling, even before adding the whole "renegade time-traveler and embarrassing madman" thing to the mix. Also, someday I'll formalize my thoughts on Time Lord Ethics, but for now I'll simply pose the question: what do you think the Master's family would think of him? Would they be outraged by his atrocities, or simply embarrassed by his violation of Gallifreyan taboos? Personally I'm leaning more toward the latter....
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Post by x2magneto on Apr 21, 2021 18:56:59 GMT
Surely the Master’s Daughter was Nyssa?! Saying that, I’m surprised we haven’t had a story where Ainley Master finds himself struggling with a newly awakened Tremas personality. Of course, such a story would naturally end with Tremas permanently ‘exorcised’ although perhaps in an act of self sacrifice to save his daughter? Shut up and get writing...now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 3:55:06 GMT
I'll welcome new ranges of Time Lords any day!!
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 27, 2021 12:40:11 GMT
Not quite what it says.
It doesn't seem a great motivation, and the fact that Lucy Saxon was killed off suggests that there's not much scope for these kinds of secondary characters.
Yeah, that's definitely not a great premise for a character. But I don't think the concept itself is inherently flawed... but any potential daughter would need to have a function defined by more than just her relationship to the Master. I think the example to point at in this case is Braxiatel, right? Speaking more broadly, I think some very interesting things could be done with family. Just, you know, in general. And not just with the Master! We know that Time Lords have families--children, siblings, spouses, parents--and the whole regeneration thing must, surely, produce some unique family dynamics. Yet that's never really been explored, to my knowledge. Definitely fertilere ground for Storytelling, even before adding the whole "renegade time-traveler and embarrassing madman" thing to the mix. Also, someday I'll formalize my thoughts on Time Lord Ethics, but for now I'll simply pose the question: what do you think the Master's family would think of him? Would they be outraged by his atrocities, or simply embarrassed by his violation of Gallifreyan taboos? Personally I'm leaning more toward the latter.... At a Gallifreyan wedding ceremony the vows are taken " . . . 'til regeneration do us part . . . ."
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Post by constonks on Aug 27, 2021 20:45:43 GMT
I actually think the series (or EU) missed a trick long ago when they didn't have the Master be Susan's OTHER Grandfather.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 28, 2021 0:09:31 GMT
I actually think the series (or EU) missed a trick long ago when they didn't have the Master be Susan's OTHER Grandfather. Or did they? Remmber the obscure origins of the Master’s dark star alloy clasp…. Given to them when their daughter … did something whereafter a gift might be given. my pet theory (and remmber kids I was right about the Morbius Doctors) is that it was “when my daughter married his son”.
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Post by Kestrel on Sept 5, 2021 7:45:34 GMT
I actually think the series (or EU) missed a trick long ago when they didn't have the Master be Susan's OTHER Grandfather. This might be more in the realm of fanfic-style, but imagine if the original rift between the two was that the Master kept spoiling Susan and the curmudgeonly Doctor gets really annoyed by it, and the Master's optimism/sheer fullness in general, and dares the Master to go out into the universe "to see how unpleasant things really are."
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 12, 2021 22:02:00 GMT
Kinda funny that just a few months after this thread was made, we got a story where the Master has a child, in a manner of speaking. Not sure they really capitalized on the premise, though, but I think it was definitely an interesting take on the concept. I'd love to see it expanded on or followed up on someday. {Missy 3 spoilers:} The idea that the Master's "children" would effectively be living weapons, trapped in a state of perpetual suffering, genetically programmed to be incapable of defying the !aster's will.
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