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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 2:45:10 GMT
So I was reading something recently, and it was talking about how BF had planned for there to be 9 box sets for the War Doctor. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn they had announced only 4... And when they were done there was talk about maybe a 5th or 6th. Info?
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Post by Digi on Apr 16, 2021 3:19:28 GMT
It was definitely only ever four announced.
I don't remember ever hearing anything about nine planned, but I do recall someone (a writer, maybe) saying that a number of additional scripts past the four John Hurt boxsets had at least been sketched out, if not completed entirely.
My understanding (though I couldn't begin to tell you where I heard it) is that the Jonathon Carley scripts are at least somewhat repurposed from the unused John Hurt stories.
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Post by constonks on Apr 16, 2021 4:08:35 GMT
I believe some of the Eighth Doctor Time War stories past Vol 1 were repurposed from plans for John Hurt... The Conscript? I think?EDIT: The Conscript was in Vol 1... The story I was thinking of was The Lords of Terror. |
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Post by Digi on Apr 16, 2021 4:19:15 GMT
I believe some of the Eighth Doctor Time War stories past Vol 1 were repurposed from plans for John Hurt... The Conscript? I think?EDIT: The Conscript was in Vol 1... The story I was thinking of was The Lords of Terror.I have a feeling this is what I was thinking of when I wrote my post. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 16, 2021 5:52:03 GMT
I wonder if Heart of Darkness was meant to be a WarDoc versus WarMaster story?
I mean... solo Doctor, a Doctor who the Time Lords would allow past a WarTARDIS interdiction of a system....
OHH ... War Valeyard versus WarDoc would have been interesting! The man who wants the name but diesn’t deserve it versus the man who doesn’t want the name but deserves it....
Or a WarDoc take on “the Conscript”? It would be a great way to show how different the WarDoc is.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 16, 2021 6:20:08 GMT
There were plans to do Volumes 5-8. Volume 5 at the very least had been written and was due to be recorded (I think November 2016?), but cancelled as John Hurt was unwell and was ultimately never recorded. We know Leela was going to stick around and that they’d approached Ken Bones to reprise The General.
All of this was in the John Hurt tribute issue of DWM, except the Ken Bones piece, which was from The Eighth Doctor: The Time War 4 preview article in DWM.
At a guess I’d say Volumes 5 and 6 are probably of a completed state, script wise. That’s just based on what we know above and the quick turnaround of the War Doctor range, which in part was due to Hurt’s availability at the time. It’s a shame there doesn’t seem to be any plans to do them as audiobooks or anything, but I’ve been banging that drum for 4 years now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:51:40 GMT
There were plans to do Volumes 5-8. Volume 5 at the very least had been written and was due to be recorded (I think November 2016?), but cancelled as John Hurt was unwell and was ultimately never recorded. We know Leela was going to stick around and that they’d approached Ken Bones to reprise The General. All of this was in the John Hurt tribute issue of DWM, except the Ken Bones piece, which was from The Eighth Doctor: The Time War 4 preview article in DWM. At a guess I’d say Volumes 5 and 6 are probably of a completed state, script wise. That’s just based on what we know above and the quick turnaround of the War Doctor range, which in part was due to Hurt’s availability at the time. It’s a shame there doesn’t seem to be any plans to do them as audiobooks or anything, but I’ve been banging that drum for 4 years now! Maybe they could try the J&L Series 14 experiment, depending on how it's received by fans? |
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Post by antartiks on Apr 16, 2021 10:58:20 GMT
Do you think Ollistra would have been redeemed by the end of the saga ? I feel she was slowly becoming more agreeable by the end of volume 4.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 16, 2021 11:08:20 GMT
Do you think Ollistra would have been redeemed by the end of the saga ? I feel she was slowly becoming more agreeable by the end of volume 4. I think so, yeah. I’d have quite liked the series to have ended on her allowing / helping the Doctor to get into the Omega Vault and securing The Moment. |
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 16, 2021 11:10:44 GMT
There were plans to do Volumes 5-8. Volume 5 at the very least had been written and was due to be recorded (I think November 2016?), but cancelled as John Hurt was unwell and was ultimately never recorded. We know Leela was going to stick around and that they’d approached Ken Bones to reprise The General. All of this was in the John Hurt tribute issue of DWM, except the Ken Bones piece, which was from The Eighth Doctor: The Time War 4 preview article in DWM. At a guess I’d say Volumes 5 and 6 are probably of a completed state, script wise. That’s just based on what we know above and the quick turnaround of the War Doctor range, which in part was due to Hurt’s availability at the time. It’s a shame there doesn’t seem to be any plans to do them as audiobooks or anything, but I’ve been banging that drum for 4 years now! Maybe they could try the J&L Series 14 experiment, depending on how it's received by fans? I’m sure after the young war Doctor they would simply use Jonathan carley and regenerate ollistra |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 11:21:05 GMT
Yeah it mig have been a good idea a couple years ago but i imagine whatever plans there was have been cannibalised into 8th doctor stories and war master stories and maybes even now young war doctor stories. Doesn’t really seem a need to adapt the stories now (altho i hope there is some form of final war doctor adventure way down the line to tie up loose ends from big finishes war doctor range, maybes even others as well)
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Post by antartiks on Apr 16, 2021 15:37:49 GMT
Do you think Ollistra would have been redeemed by the end of the saga ? I feel she was slowly becoming more agreeable by the end of volume 4. I think so, yeah. I’d have quite liked the series to have ended on her allowing / helping the Doctor to get into the Omega Vault and securing The Moment. Now, that would have been cool. I'm hoping Big Finish will be able to conclude Ollistra's arc someday, even though Jacqueline Pearce is sadly no longer with us. |
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Post by constonks on Apr 16, 2021 17:44:54 GMT
I think so, yeah. I’d have quite liked the series to have ended on her allowing / helping the Doctor to get into the Omega Vault and securing The Moment. Now, that would have been cool. I'm hoping Big Finish will be able to conclude Ollistra's arc someday, even though Jacqueline Pearce is sadly no longer with us. I would love them to do Audio Novels or Chronicles or Short Trips or something, so we can get more Wardoc/Leela and Ollistra. There are a quite a few potential narrators. |
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 16, 2021 18:11:00 GMT
Now, that would have been cool. I'm hoping Big Finish will be able to conclude Ollistra's arc someday, even though Jacqueline Pearce is sadly no longer with us. I would love them to do Audio Novels or Chronicles or Short Trips or something, so we can get more Wardoc/Leela and Ollistra. There are a quite a few potential narrators. I’m hoping the audiobook range might have a War Doctor story. It’s a range that’s got a lot of potential for TARDIS teams and Doctors we can’t / don’t get a lot from apart from recasts. As you say, there’s quite a few potential narrators as it is, but that quickly expands if you actually include some of the Time Lord characters into the mix; Romana, Susan, etc. A bit left field, but Billie Piper would be a brilliant narrator / reader for a War Doctor story. It could be framed as The Moment tapping into his memories when the box shocks him; it provides her with access to all of his life past, present and future (always getting them mixed up!). |
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Post by constonks on Apr 16, 2021 21:05:39 GMT
As you say, there’s quite a few potential narrators as it is, but that quickly expands if you actually include some of the Time Lord characters into the mix; Romana, Susan, etc. Plus, any actor at all could be the Next Ollistra looking back on the last days of their Jacqueline Pearce incarnation! Actually, get Donald Sumpter in as well and you could have the frame narrative be post-Time War. Fresh from his regeneration and angrier than ever, Rassilon interrogates Ollistra to figure out what went wrong and the part she played... |
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 17, 2021 5:36:03 GMT
I'm definitely not current on the Time War stuff, so maybe this isn't possible, but aside from the obvious difficulty of casting, couldn't Ollistra simply continue in a regeneration? Obviously Jacqueline Pearce is an impossible act to follow, but continuity-wise she's much easier to recast than John Hurt. ...Though now I'm imagining Big Finish using a soundalike in the War Doctor Begins range, and that is not something I'd want. The only way to do a new incarnation of Ollistra, I think, would be to cast a very different performer. There were plans to do Volumes 5-8. Volume 5 at the very least had been written and was due to be recorded (I think November 2016?), but cancelled as John Hurt was unwell and was ultimately never recorded. We know Leela was going to stick around and that they’d approached Ken Bones to reprise The General. All of this was in the John Hurt tribute issue of DWM, except the Ken Bones piece, which was from The Eighth Doctor: The Time War 4 preview article in DWM. At a guess I’d say Volumes 5 and 6 are probably of a completed state, script wise. That’s just based on what we know above and the quick turnaround of the War Doctor range, which in part was due to Hurt’s availability at the time. It’s a shame there doesn’t seem to be any plans to do them as audiobooks or anything, but I’ve been banging that drum for 4 years now! Ffffffffffffff-- that would have been so good! |
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 17, 2021 5:54:42 GMT
I don’t think there would be an issue with using the Carolyn Pickles version, as it’s no different to meeting The Master out of order, but Big Finish haven’t used Ollistra in Time War ranges since Jacqueline Pearce passed away. Only in Dark Universe, which would always have been the Pickles incarnation anyway.
I doubt we will see Ollistra in The War Doctor Begins range. Not sure that’s a big issue anyway; it seems like Ollistra was well aware of the War Doctor’s activities but wasn’t actively involved with him until Only the Monstrous. I think that’s when they began to get more used to each other, certainly Ollistra and the War incarnation anyway, and it felt like she was edging towards a “redemption” arc of sorts. That’s why I made my comment that the appropriate ending feels like her allowing the Doctor access to the Omega Vault, neither siding with the War Council (The Day of the Doctor) she’s a member of, or the High Council (The End of Time) and their plans.
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