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Post by grinch on Sept 18, 2021 14:04:56 GMT
Corsair and River or River and Owen Harper Spin-Off then anyone? Regards mark687 As much as I dislike Titan Comic’s version of the character, I am surprised we’ve yet to get a spin off for her from Big Finish.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 18, 2021 14:20:13 GMT
Hardly surprising is it. The man is an egomaniac. Judging by these tweets he still doesn't seem to think his behaviour was wrong. But yeah, the BBC should show loyalty to a man who sexually harasses coworkers. Fair enough the BBC allowed this behaviour to continue but at least now, regardless of the reasons why, they are finally doing something about it. I guess he is really trying to burn his bridges. Wonder if this will have any impact on his QI episode being shown? As for being blacklisted, that's what happened to Eccleston the person Barrowman said was no fun & had a chip on his shoulder. What an arrogant person Bare-All-Man is. I guess he deserves some kind of credit for being so intent on making things worse for himself & so consistently ignorant of how inappropriate his conduct is.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 18, 2021 14:25:25 GMT
Barroman claims he's been blackballed by Big Finish Well someone should have 'blackballed' him years ago, kicked him in the nuts when he exposed himself!
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Post by kipperserver on Sept 18, 2021 23:23:20 GMT
Regardless of what you think of Barromans' behaviour, this is not the way to behave. He's being very silly, IMHO. Imagine being a potential employer reading this stuff.
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Post by horatiowatson on Sept 20, 2021 9:14:56 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. So all bets are off: it doesn't matter now if or when the BBC sneak JB back onto our screens, Big Finish won't make a move until they want to. Disappointing because, whatever you think of JB, a lot of folk worked hard on this audio and more Tenth Doctor is always good. But I guess I'll just sit back and wait to see what they do with the idea in the future. I can't imagine it'd be easy to re-record Jack's dialogue with a different character, but if they start from scratch then the idea could be salvaged. Coming May 2022, Torchwood: Absent Friends. Starring David Tennant, Gareth David-Lloyd and...Eve Myles. Scene 1, Gwen is talking on the phone: "OK Jack, enjoy your long holiday in the Horsehead Nebula."
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Post by mark687 on Sept 20, 2021 9:26:02 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. So all bets are off: it doesn't matter now if or when the BBC sneak JB back onto our screens, Big Finish won't make a move until they want to. Disappointing because, whatever you think of JB, a lot of folk worked hard on this audio and more Tenth Doctor is always good. But I guess I'll just sit back and wait to see what they do with the idea in the future. I can't imagine it'd be easy to re-record Jack's dialogue with a different character, but if they start from scratch then the idea could be salvaged. Coming May 2022, Torchwood: Absent Friends. Starring David Tennant, Gareth David-Lloyd and...Eve Myles. Scene 1, Gwen is talking on the phone: "OK Jack, enjoy your long holiday in the Horsehead Nebula." Exactly what's always been the initial crux in terms of here is BF affected Customer Choice by withholding the release but still not clearly saying if it will EVER be released. Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 20, 2021 9:47:26 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. So all bets are off: it doesn't matter now if or when the BBC sneak JB back onto our screens, Big Finish won't make a move until they want to. Disappointing because, whatever you think of JB, a lot of folk worked hard on this audio and more Tenth Doctor is always good. But I guess I'll just sit back and wait to see what they do with the idea in the future. I can't imagine it'd be easy to re-record Jack's dialogue with a different character, but if they start from scratch then the idea could be salvaged. Coming May 2022, Torchwood: Absent Friends. Starring David Tennant, Gareth David-Lloyd and...Eve Myles. Scene 1, Gwen is talking on the phone: "OK Jack, enjoy your long holiday in the Horsehead Nebula." What i would be curious is did Big Finish actually communicated with Barrowman when the release of Absent Friends got pulled? or did they do it without telling or communicating with him? Also didn't Eve Myles retire from doing Torchwood audios?
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Post by horatiowatson on Sept 20, 2021 10:19:33 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. So all bets are off: it doesn't matter now if or when the BBC sneak JB back onto our screens, Big Finish won't make a move until they want to. Disappointing because, whatever you think of JB, a lot of folk worked hard on this audio and more Tenth Doctor is always good. But I guess I'll just sit back and wait to see what they do with the idea in the future. I can't imagine it'd be easy to re-record Jack's dialogue with a different character, but if they start from scratch then the idea could be salvaged. Coming May 2022, Torchwood: Absent Friends. Starring David Tennant, Gareth David-Lloyd and...Eve Myles. Scene 1, Gwen is talking on the phone: "OK Jack, enjoy your long holiday in the Horsehead Nebula." What i would be curious is did Big Finish actually communicated with Barrowman when the release of Absent Friends got pulled? or did they do it without telling or communicating with him? Also didn't Eve Myles retire from doing Torchwood audios?
I believe Eve has declined to commit to any ongoing Torchwood fare - hence the soft recast in Aliens Among Us. But I think she's still up for doing monthly range titles when her schedule permits. She's already done three monthly range stories since Gwen's departure.
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Post by Ela on Sept 20, 2021 16:31:56 GMT
So much for him taking responsibility for his actions and behavior. Clearly, he hasn't and isn't. Too bad, cause I enjoyed watching/hearing him perform.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 20, 2021 20:19:38 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. Personally, I would not take the word of the man who spent years pretending Moffat was responsible for Torchwood not coming back because he was an easy target. Barrowman has a history of bending the facts to create a narrative that makes him a victim.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 20, 2021 20:57:14 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. Personally, I would not take the word of the man who spent years pretending Moffat was responsible for Torchwood not coming back because he was an easy target. Barrowman has a history of bending the facts to create a narrative that makes him a victim. Pure speculation of course but I wonder if Moffat was aware of Bare-All-Man's onset behaviour & that's why he didn't bring Captain Jack back? It does seem odd that the man who wrote the stories which saw the debut of the character never included him during his time as showrunner.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 20, 2021 21:17:57 GMT
Personally, I would not take the word of the man who spent years pretending Moffat was responsible for Torchwood not coming back because he was an easy target. Barrowman has a history of bending the facts to create a narrative that makes him a victim. Pure speculation of course but I wonder if Moffat was aware of Bare-All-Man's onset behaviour & that's why he didn't bring Captain Jack back? It does seem odd that the man who wrote the stories which saw the debut of the character never included him during his time as showrunner. He wanted him for A Good Man Goes to War so I think that's unlikely. It's more likely Moffat just felt Doctor Who shouldn't spend too much time looking backwards. He didn't directly include any of the RTD (or classic) companions other than Rose as the Moment in the 50th, so it's not like Barrowman was singled out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 22:50:16 GMT
Pure speculation of course but I wonder if Moffat was aware of Bare-All-Man's onset behaviour & that's why he didn't bring Captain Jack back? It does seem odd that the man who wrote the stories which saw the debut of the character never included him during his time as showrunner. He wanted him for A Good Man Goes to War so I think that's unlikely. It's more likely Moffat just felt Doctor Who shouldn't spend too much time looking backwards. He didn't directly include any of the RTD (or classic) companions other than Rose as the Moment in the 50th, so it's not like Barrowman was singled out. And indeed did name check Jack with the Vortex manipulator in the Black Vault. If he wanted to "delete" Barrowman, he could have said that was from River, or just "a time agent" etc. I think Jack not being part of A Good Man worked out. It gave the universe of the show much more scope to have these other interesting, distinct characters with pasts with The Doctor that we haven't seen.
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Post by kipperserver on Sept 20, 2021 23:31:52 GMT
Okie doke, so I've finally caught up to where many of you have been since the start -- maybe they really won't release Absent Friends. I've been laboring under the assumption that Big Finish were chomping at the bit to release it and the BBC had stopped them. But it sounds as though (or at least JB is under the impression that) the cancellation is entirely self-inflicted on Big Finish's part. Personally, I would not take the word of the man who spent years pretending Moffat was responsible for Torchwood not coming back because he was an easy target. Barrowman has a history of bending the facts to create a narrative that makes him a victim. I think it's exactly this. Barrowman hasn't said any of this before but suddenly decides to do so months after ther release was due out? The same night he's clearly hjad a skinful (see his othet tweets around these screenshots). Big FInish have stuck to the same story since the start, EXACTLY THE SAME WORDING as Time Fracture and Titan Comics, obviously handed to them on stone tablets by the BBC. Never commetned, never said it wasn't coming out, never said it was cancelled. Just waiting for the dust to settle. It's clear everyone but Barromwan was hoping it could be quietly released to subscribers (ME INCLUDED!) one day, but he keeps making himself the victom. One minute going to the Daily Mail, next minute setting his fans on Big Finish, stirring it all up again. The man's an absolute disgrace. Narcicist.
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Post by kipperserver on Sept 20, 2021 23:42:28 GMT
I'm so sorry but I'm really furious with the man.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 21, 2021 6:17:31 GMT
I'm so sorry but I'm really furious with the man. I know how you feel.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 24, 2021 22:47:11 GMT
So they actually broadcast the QI episode, & used Bare-All-Man's face as the image to front the episode on iPlayer! He'll be back in the show no doubt if RTD has anything to do with it! Yuk!
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 25, 2021 1:35:11 GMT
Hey if Captain Jack returns for the 60th then Absent Friends would be released too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 8:21:37 GMT
So I'm absolutely sure the story will still be released one day. I was watching QI on BBC last night, and there was John Barrowman as one of the guests, so BBC clearly don't have an overall ban in place on the man, they probably just want to keep him out of the headlines for a bit. And actually (please don't flame me), I can sort of understand him feeling annoyed about the situation - the BBC has known of Barrowman's behaviour for years and years, this knee-jerk reaction on the back of negative publicitly generated after the Noeal Clarke revelations (which I'm sure the BBC didn't know about all along) must seem a little unfair to him. While we may consider his behaviour as being inappropriate (though your mileage may differ) it's clear from comments from, for example, Miranda Hart, that this type of exhibitionism is, or was until recently, part and parcel of the showbiz world, presumably the acting equivalent of rugby fans sticking their bare arses out of car windows on the motorway. Acting is, after all, a job which sometimes can involve nudity (witness Barowman being, I believe, the only person so far to have appeared in Doctor Who naked) and so it's not surprising that actors can sometimes have a looser view of the sanctity of the naked body than the increasingly puritanical current day appears able to tolerate. If it was Noeal being removed from Time Fracture, or Torchwood audios, I could absolutely understand, but while I personally find Barrowman distasteful, the action taken against him this year, when he was flavour of the month with the BBC last year (when nothing in relation to Barrowman has changed in between), appears hypocritical at least.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2021 8:28:57 GMT
So I'm absolutely sure the story will still be released one day. I was watching QI on BBC last night, and there was John Barrowman as one of the guests, so BBC clearly don't have an overall ban in place on the man, they probably just want to keep him out of the headlines for a bit. And actually (please don't flame me), I can sort of understand him feeling annoyed about the situation - the BBC has known of Barrowman's behaviour for years and years, this knee-jerk reaction on the back of negative publicitly generated after the Noeal Clarke revelations (which I'm sure the BBC didn't know about all along) must seem a little unfair to him. While we may consider his behaviour as being inappropriate (though your mileage may differ) it's clear from comments from, for example, Miranda Hart, that this type of exhibitionism is, or was until recently, part and parcel of the showbiz world, presumably the acting equivalent of rugby fans sticking their bare arses out of car windows on the motorway. Acting is, after all, a job which sometimes can involve nudity (witness Barowman being, I believe, the only person so far to have appeared in Doctor Who naked) and so it's not surprising that actors can sometimes have a looser view of the sanctity of the naked body than the increasingly puritanical current day appears able to tolerate. If it was Noeal being removed from Time Fracture, or Torchwood audios, I could absolutely understand, but while I personally find Barrowman distasteful, the action taken against him this year, when he was flavour of the month with the BBC last year (when nothing in relation to Barrowman has changed in between), appears hypocritical at least. I agree about the hypocrisy of the BBC because this was a known issue & he should have been sacked years ago. But Barrowman's response still shows he doesn't think what he did was wrong, playing the victim is the classic response of sex offenders. I wonder how long it will be before he says he is seeking help for his 'condition'. However I disagree about the idea that we live in a increasingly puritanical world, to me that appears to dismiss the idea that people can find this behaviour unacceptable.
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