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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 10:57:57 GMT
So I'm absolutely sure the story will still be released one day. I was watching QI on BBC last night, and there was John Barrowman as one of the guests, so BBC clearly don't have an overall ban in place on the man, they probably just want to keep him out of the headlines for a bit. And actually (please don't flame me), I can sort of understand him feeling annoyed about the situation - the BBC has known of Barrowman's behaviour for years and years, this knee-jerk reaction on the back of negative publicitly generated after the Noeal Clarke revelations (which I'm sure the BBC didn't know about all along) must seem a little unfair to him. While we may consider his behaviour as being inappropriate (though your mileage may differ) it's clear from comments from, for example, Miranda Hart, that this type of exhibitionism is, or was until recently, part and parcel of the showbiz world, presumably the acting equivalent of rugby fans sticking their bare arses out of car windows on the motorway. Acting is, after all, a job which sometimes can involve nudity (witness Barowman being, I believe, the only person so far to have appeared in Doctor Who naked) and so it's not surprising that actors can sometimes have a looser view of the sanctity of the naked body than the increasingly puritanical current day appears able to tolerate. If it was Noeal being removed from Time Fracture, or Torchwood audios, I could absolutely understand, but while I personally find Barrowman distasteful, the action taken against him this year, when he was flavour of the month with the BBC last year (when nothing in relation to Barrowman has changed in between), appears hypocritical at least. I agree about the hypocrisy of the BBC because this was a known issue & he should have been sacked years ago. But Barrowman's response still shows he doesn't think what he did was wrong, playing the victim is the classic response of sex offenders. I wonder how long it will be before he says he is seeking help for his 'condition'. However I disagree about the idea that we live in a increasingly puritanical world, to me that appears to dismiss the idea that people can find this behaviour unacceptable. I'm certainly not wanting to belittle anyone's opinions of his behaviour, I'm using the word "puritanical" in it's more general sense of "disapproving of various immodest types of behaviour". It's important to realise however, that people's opinions are just that, opinions. 15 years ago, it is clear that people exposing themselves on set was viewed by many as just being a bit of a laugh. Now the barometer of public opinion has changed, but they are still just opinions. 15 years ago someone may have been offended by such behaviour, just as today someone could still find it enormously funny to turn around and be confronted by Barrowman's todger. Society changes back and forth over time in terms of what behaviour is acceptable - the Greeks performed sports totally naked, the Romans held regular orgies, the Victorians were scandalised by the sight of a bare ankle. Today we welcome all sorts of sexuality, but are more inclined to think it should be performed privately and with utmost regard to consent. I'm not taking any position on right or wrong, but society does shift over time and individuals who don't shift with the current zeitgeist end up in danger of becoming social pariahs.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 28, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
I agree about the hypocrisy of the BBC because this was a known issue & he should have been sacked years ago. But Barrowman's response still shows he doesn't think what he did was wrong, playing the victim is the classic response of sex offenders. I wonder how long it will be before he says he is seeking help for his 'condition'. However I disagree about the idea that we live in a increasingly puritanical world, to me that appears to dismiss the idea that people can find this behaviour unacceptable. I'm certainly not wanting to belittle anyone's opinions of his behaviour, I'm using the word "puritanical" in it's more general sense of "disapproving of various immodest types of behaviour". It's important to realise however, that people's opinions are just that, opinions. 15 years ago, it is clear that people exposing themselves on set was viewed by many as just being a bit of a laugh. Now the barometer of public opinion has changed, but they are still just opinions. 15 years ago someone may have been offended by such behaviour, just as today someone could still find it enormously funny to turn around and be confronted by Barrowman's todger. Society changes back and forth over time in terms of what behaviour is acceptable - the Greeks performed sports totally naked, the Romans held regular orgies, the Victorians were scandalised by the sight of a bare ankle. Today we welcome all sorts of sexuality, but are more inclined to think it should be performed privately and with utmost regard to consent. I'm not taking any position on right or wrong, but society does shift over time and individuals who don't shift with the current zeitgeist end up in danger of becoming social pariahs. Getting your cock out at work has always been unacceptable.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 28, 2021 20:08:25 GMT
Egomaniac Bare-All-Man.
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Post by grinch on Sept 28, 2021 20:17:37 GMT
Starting to think that maybe you should have your own thread JHD where you can post your daily grievances and hatred towards John Barrowman.
Could even call it ‘That B*****d Bare-All Man’ if you want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 20:28:34 GMT
I'm certainly not wanting to belittle anyone's opinions of his behaviour, I'm using the word "puritanical" in it's more general sense of "disapproving of various immodest types of behaviour". It's important to realise however, that people's opinions are just that, opinions. 15 years ago, it is clear that people exposing themselves on set was viewed by many as just being a bit of a laugh. Now the barometer of public opinion has changed, but they are still just opinions. 15 years ago someone may have been offended by such behaviour, just as today someone could still find it enormously funny to turn around and be confronted by Barrowman's todger. Society changes back and forth over time in terms of what behaviour is acceptable - the Greeks performed sports totally naked, the Romans held regular orgies, the Victorians were scandalised by the sight of a bare ankle. Today we welcome all sorts of sexuality, but are more inclined to think it should be performed privately and with utmost regard to consent. I'm not taking any position on right or wrong, but society does shift over time and individuals who don't shift with the current zeitgeist end up in danger of becoming social pariahs. Getting your cock out at work has always been unacceptable. Oh, I dunno. If you are farming free range hens, for example, then it's all part of the job.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Sept 29, 2021 5:59:31 GMT
You can’t just drop that little nugget without more information! Good god man, some of us like a wee bit of gossip!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 6:03:30 GMT
Starting to think that maybe you should have your own thread JHD where you can post your daily grievances and hatred towards John Barrowman. Could even call it ‘That B*****d Bare-All Man’ if you want. I agree, this thread is supposed to be about how TV and BF will move forward without Jack, there is another thread where posts about how awful other people are can go.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 29, 2021 6:52:47 GMT
Starting to think that maybe you should have your own thread JHD where you can post your daily grievances and hatred towards John Barrowman. Could even call it ‘That B*****d Bare-All Man’ if you want. I agree, this thread is supposed to be about how TV and BF will move forward without Jack, there is another thread where posts about how awful other people are can go. This thread is about who will replace Captain Jack yes, but there is bound to be discussion about the actor & his behaviour. If the mods feel I am off topic then so be it I will use the other thread which was created after this one. But I will add that it is inevitable that threads divert somewhat from their core theme (look at all the lengthy discussion of looms in the 'Goodbye Whittaker & Chibnall, Hello RTD(!) & ?' thread as an example) so it would be a lot of work for mods if we were to take that approach to all threads.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 29, 2021 6:54:50 GMT
You can’t just drop that little nugget without more information! Good god man, some of us like a wee bit of gossip! All the information is there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 7:29:04 GMT
You can’t just drop that little nugget without more information! Good god man, some of us like a wee bit of gossip! All the information is there. I don't totally disagree, I've veered off-topic myself in some of our debates in this very thread, but I always start a conversation very intently in the most appropriate place, as when I started a conversation between us by referencing how John being on QI meant he wasn't totally banned from the BBC. A post, out of the blue, referencing his behaviour at a convention is more suited to the other thread. I only really come to this one for material relevant to the future direction for BF or TV.
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Post by pawntake on Sept 29, 2021 12:07:10 GMT
Starting to think that maybe you should have your own thread JHD where you can post your daily grievances and hatred towards John Barrowman. Could even call it ‘That B*****d Bare-All Man’ if you want. I suggest he buys himself a nice piece of tasty fish! It will go down well with the giant CHIP he has on his sholder!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 13:28:23 GMT
You can’t just drop that little nugget without more information! Good god man, some of us like a wee bit of gossip! Just click on the link to see the person's full tweets. In short - the accusations are he was refusing to wear a mask, abusive to volunteers, told them to "kiss his ass" and despite being asked to keep his act family friendly at the Q&A, proceeded to make jokes about sexual positions to a 17 year old.
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Post by redsharkJason on Sept 29, 2021 19:05:43 GMT
You can’t just drop that little nugget without more information! Good god man, some of us like a wee bit of gossip! Just click on the link to see the person's full tweets. In short - the accusations are he was refusing to wear a mask, abusive to volunteers, told them to "kiss his ass" and despite being asked to keep his act family friendly at the Q&A, proceeded to make jokes about sexual positions to a 17 year old. Thank you David for spelling that out for those of us that don’t delve into Twitter. Allegations only...but where there's smoke there's fire. It does seem that Barrowman routinely does whatever 'he' likes at the expense of others. Perhaps, he does deserve to be also 'routinely' called out for his bad behavior by JHD.
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Post by horatiowatson on Oct 3, 2021 21:28:27 GMT
Welp.
Edit: Hmm, they deleted the tweet. But JHD covers it below.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 3, 2021 21:50:03 GMT
Well done ITV! Excellent news! Gone Bare-All-Man!
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Post by horatiowatson on Oct 4, 2021 8:22:58 GMT
Un-welp
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 4, 2021 9:19:03 GMT
Oh dear. Mixed messages from ITV.
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 4, 2021 9:31:00 GMT
So? atleast he still has work
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 4, 2021 9:38:20 GMT
So? atleast he still has work Yeah I was getting worried for a minute that he would be homeless...
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Post by mark687 on Oct 4, 2021 11:30:21 GMT
Just shows the situation is still somehow more complex then it seems ITV have let Co-Productions make their own choice but are still apparently willing to give him money to present his own ideas or shows.
Regards
mark687
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