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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 12, 2021 21:56:31 GMT
Repeatedly sexually harassing fellow cast members on Doctor Who & Torchwood. This is something which has been well known, reported about in a jokey way by the media & also discussed as just a part of loveable John's personality at conventions where people listening to the stories being retold find it amusing for some weird reason. You talk about the office and what is and what is not acceptable. And all I would say is the office is not a film or TV set or backstage in a theater. I’ve known dozens of Barrowmans over the decades. I don’t know. Clarke or Harvey Weinstein sound like predators. Barrowman sounds like a naughty boy that one either laughs with or one tells to cut it out. I would be cautious in trying to paint Clarke and Barrowman with the same brush. Right. So it's ok to sexually harass coworkers in the entertainment industry but not ok in other working environments.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 22:11:33 GMT
You talk about the office and what is and what is not acceptable. And all I would say is the office is not a film or TV set or backstage in a theater. I’ve known dozens of Barrowmans over the decades. I don’t know. Clarke or Harvey Weinstein sound like predators. Barrowman sounds like a naughty boy that one either laughs with or one tells to cut it out. I would be cautious in trying to paint Clarke and Barrowman with the same brush. Right. So it's ok to sexually harass coworkers in the entertainment industry but not ok in other working environments. What a pathetic false equivalence.You must have been booted out the debating team at school. Audio has worked as an actor and director for decades and had "real" jobs too. He's not giving opinion but fact in that what you may see go on in one environment, entertainment, is not something you'd see in the other of offices and menial work. At no point did he say it was OK in either. But that two different actions should be judged in two different ways. Your black and white viewpoint is rather disturbing. But then as others have said, it's kinda hard to take you seriously as any source of moral outrage given your posting history, full of vitriol and rudeness. You get people like you in most workplaces too. They tend to talk an awful lot but say very little of value - and be listened to even less.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 12, 2021 22:14:26 GMT
Right. So it's ok to sexually harass coworkers in the entertainment industry but not ok in other working environments. What a pathetic false equivalence.You must have been booted out the debating team at school. Audio has worked as an actor and director for decades and had "real" jobs too. He's not giving opinion but fact in that what you may see go on in one environment, entertainment, is not something you'd see in the other of offices and menial work. At no point did he say it was OK in either. But that two different actions should be judged in two different ways. Your black and white viewpoint is rather disturbing. But then as others have said, it's kinda hard to take you seriously as any source of moral outrage given your posting history, full of vitriol and rudeness. You get people like you in most workplaces too. They tend to talk an awful lot but say very little of value - and be listened to even less. What he said.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 0:07:37 GMT
So today I find out that Barrowman is pretty much fully cancelled. Dancing with the Stars is likely over for him, Time Fracture gone, BBC and Julie Gardner spoke about having recieved several complaints against Barrowman. Yeah... He's cancelled... Now what happens with Big Finish and him... Everyone was looking forward to Absent Friends....
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 1:34:11 GMT
Also, BF needs to say something, and fast.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 13, 2021 7:06:26 GMT
Right. So it's ok to sexually harass coworkers in the entertainment industry but not ok in other working environments. What a pathetic false equivalence.You must have been booted out the debating team at school. Audio has worked as an actor and director for decades and had "real" jobs too. He's not giving opinion but fact in that what you may see go on in one environment, entertainment, is not something you'd see in the other of offices and menial work. At no point did he say it was OK in either. But that two different actions should be judged in two different ways. Your black and white viewpoint is rather disturbing. But then as others have said, it's kinda hard to take you seriously as any source of moral outrage given your posting history, full of vitriol and rudeness. You get people like you in most workplaces too. They tend to talk an awful lot but say very little of value - and be listened to even less. I'm sorry. I apologise for having a "rather disturbing" "black and white viewpoint" when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace. Also sorry that because of my posting history I am apparently not taken seriously when taking a stance on sexual harassment in the workplace. Feel free to respond with another personal attack, there are plenty of people like you in most workplaces also Davy...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 13, 2021 7:24:03 GMT
Also, BF needs to say something, and fast. I agree. I think a delay to the release is inevitable now.
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Post by pawntake on May 13, 2021 7:47:19 GMT
What a pathetic false equivalence.You must have been booted out the debating team at school. Audio has worked as an actor and director for decades and had "real" jobs too. He's not giving opinion but fact in that what you may see go on in one environment, entertainment, is not something you'd see in the other of offices and menial work. At no point did he say it was OK in either. But that two different actions should be judged in two different ways. Your black and white viewpoint is rather disturbing. But then as others have said, it's kinda hard to take you seriously as any source of moral outrage given your posting history, full of vitriol and rudeness. You get people like you in most workplaces too. They tend to talk an awful lot but say very little of value - and be listened to even less. I'm sorry. I apologise for having a "rather disturbing" "black and white viewpoint" when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace. Also sorry that because of my posting history I am apparently not taken seriously when taking a stance on sexual harassment in the workplace. Feel free to respond with another personal attack, there are plenty of people like you in most workplaces also Davy... Time for some Alice Cooper!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 13, 2021 8:58:21 GMT
I'm sorry. I apologise for having a "rather disturbing" "black and white viewpoint" when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace. Also sorry that because of my posting history I am apparently not taken seriously when taking a stance on sexual harassment in the workplace. Feel free to respond with another personal attack, there are plenty of people like you in most workplaces also Davy... Time for some Alice Cooper! Strange thing to post although I am flattered that you have those feelings for me*. If we are going to post links to songs on youtube here this would be better. *I wanna love you but I better not touch (don't touch)
I wanna hold you, but my senses tell me to stop
I wanna kiss you but I want it too much (too much)
I wanna taste you but your lips are venomous poison
You're poison, running through my veins
You're poison
I don't want to break these chains
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 10:23:31 GMT
Time for some Alice Cooper! Strange thing to post although I am flattered that you have those feelings for me*. If we are going to post links to songs on youtube here this would be better. *I wanna love you but I better not touch (don't touch)
I wanna hold you, but my senses tell me to stop
I wanna kiss you but I want it too much (too much)
I wanna taste you but your lips are venomous poison
You're poison, running through my veins
You're poison
I don't want to break these chainsAs you're enjoying this all so much, what about moving on to your next target now Barrowman has been 'cancelled?' You could go for Colin Baker, who bit Nicola Bryant's bum during recording for Twin Dilemma. There's that notorious duo Troughton and Hines, who loosened Debbie Watling's skirt shortly before a take - which I'm sure you would agree is vile and outrageous. Hartnell's no better - he was known to harbour discriminatory views whilst playing the Doctor. Pertwee was very close to Katy Manning, while he was married too, which is, of course, unacceptable. Tom Baker smoked and drank and might even have taken some illegal substances. JNT reportedly used to pick up fans at conventions - 'doable barkers', he used to call them - so that means Davison, Baker and McCoy must have been aware of this, and are therefore deserving of your outrage and offence. RTD? Well, I mean, he oversaw both Barrowman and Clarke so is therefore bound to be involved. Doctor Who - what a gang. Get stuck in, JHD. Bring them all down.
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Post by Chakoteya on May 13, 2021 13:05:42 GMT
^^ Seen the Daleks cartoon in the Eye? No, I shan't post it here. Go buy your own copy!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 13:21:15 GMT
What a pathetic false equivalence.You must have been booted out the debating team at school. Audio has worked as an actor and director for decades and had "real" jobs too. He's not giving opinion but fact in that what you may see go on in one environment, entertainment, is not something you'd see in the other of offices and menial work. At no point did he say it was OK in either. But that two different actions should be judged in two different ways. Your black and white viewpoint is rather disturbing. But then as others have said, it's kinda hard to take you seriously as any source of moral outrage given your posting history, full of vitriol and rudeness. You get people like you in most workplaces too. They tend to talk an awful lot but say very little of value - and be listened to even less. I'm sorry. I apologise for having a "rather disturbing" "black and white viewpoint" when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace. Also sorry that because of my posting history I am apparently not taken seriously when taking a stance on sexual harassment in the workplace. Feel free to respond with another personal attack, there are plenty of people like you in most workplaces also Davy... The poster with a history of dishing out personal attacks doesn't enjoy the idea of receiving a personal attack? Say it ain't so.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 13, 2021 16:55:41 GMT
So today I find out that Barrowman is pretty much fully cancelled. Dancing with the Stars is likely over for him, Time Fracture gone, BBC and Julie Gardner spoke about having recieved several complaints against Barrowman. Yeah... He's cancelled... Now what happens with Big Finish and him... Everyone was looking forward to Absent Friends.... Several complaints? Reports I’ve seen suggest Julie Gardner received one complaint which she acted upon to curb Barrowman’s actions. & yet he carried on doing it on Torchwood Miracle Day which was a few years later I think.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:27:06 GMT
Several complaints? Reports I’ve seen suggest Julie Gardner received one complaint which she acted upon to curb Barrowman’s actions. & yet he carried on doing it on Torchwood Miracle Day which was a few years later I think. Barrowman's statement this week: "“With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously,” he said. “Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed.”" Anyone got any evidence he did this same thing on the Miracle Day set in 2010-11? Or the Arrow one over the 2010s? Both have been alleged here but he media certainly haven't disproved his statement that he's been changed since 2008 that I've seen and I don't think any poster has either.
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Post by sherlock on May 13, 2021 17:28:08 GMT
& yet he carried on doing it on Torchwood Miracle Day which was a few years later I think. Barrowman's statement this week: "“With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously,” he said. “Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed.”" Anyone got any evidence he did this same thing on the Miracle Day set in 2010-11? Or the Arrow one over the 2010s? Both have been alleged here but he media certainly haven't disproved his statement that he's been changed since 2008 that I've seen and I don't think any poster has either.
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Post by shallacatop on May 13, 2021 17:31:29 GMT
I don't think Barrowman will be "cancelled", but I do think he will become less prominent. It doesn't need legal action for his own actions to be distasteful to people and if potential employer thinks there'll be negative consequences as a result of his hiring, then they'll naturally not go down that path. He hasn't helped himself by not issuing an apology and all the statements to have come from others in the past week are notably distancing themselves; Gareth David Lloyd's was particularly odd. What was it that you found particularly odd about Gareth David Lloyd's statement? I just thought it was quite distanced, as though he felt the need to say something, but it doesn’t say an awful lot at the same time. Almost as though he’s an outsider to things. Perhaps it’s the way I read it and my assumption they have a closer relationship than it seems reading the comments.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:32:31 GMT
Barrowman's statement this week: "“With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously,” he said. “Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed.”" Anyone got any evidence he did this same thing on the Miracle Day set in 2010-11? Or the Arrow one over the 2010s? Both have been alleged here but he media certainly haven't disproved his statement that he's been changed since 2008 that I've seen and I don't think any poster has either. He really should be challenged on that statement then as clearly Eve isn't being coy here - there's no room for ambiguity there! If he's lying over his changed behaviour...he needs to address that as he clearly picked that date for his statement for a reason. That it takes someone 30 seconds to prove he's lying - and he clearly is - then yeah - he has questions still to answer as to whether he did indeed change his act, as it doesn't sound like he took the reprimand seriously there, does it? Not a good look. After he'd been spoken to...how hard is it to just not whip it out? I'd also wonder why the media went hard on him then took his statement as the end of it. Did they just want a quick pound of flesh or is that video not as widely seen as the one with Noel talking about him?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:38:08 GMT
Starz would have been signing his cheques by then, given the way Miracle Day was "outsourced" Would be interesting if they've been asked about it as there's no way round it - his statement ain't true.
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Post by shallacatop on May 13, 2021 17:42:05 GMT
He really should be challenged on that statement then as clearly Eve isn't being coy here - there's no room for ambiguity there! If he's lying over his changed behaviour...he needs to address that as he clearly picked that date for his statement for a reason. That it takes someone 30 seconds to prove he's lying - and he clearly is - then yeah - he has questions still to answer as to whether he did indeed change his act, as it doesn't sound like he took the reprimand seriously there, does it? Not a good look. After he'd been spoken to...how hard is it to just not whip it out? I'd also wonder why the media went hard on him then took his statement as the end of it. Did they just want a quick pound of flesh or is that video not as widely seen as the one with Noel talking about him? I’m not sure if the media has done that much probing on Barrowman really. The video with Clarke went viral (the tweet itself a couple of years old with little fanfare) and the articles stem from that really, with some reaching out to the BBC, RTD, Gardener, Myles, etc. As you say, a quick pound of flesh they’ve managed to get in addition to the Clarke stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 17:42:19 GMT
What was it that you found particularly odd about Gareth David Lloyd's statement? I just thought it was quite distanced, as though he felt the need to say something, but it doesn’t say an awful lot at the same time. Almost as though he’s an outsider to things. Perhaps it’s the way I read it and my assumption they have a closer relationship than it seems reading the comments. I'd imagine more than a few people will be a bit mortified if there's convention footage of them laughing it all off!
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