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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 14:16:38 GMT
Anyone can vote anonymously, as many times as they want, on as many titles as they choose, just by refreshing their browser. It renders the polls meaningless. A bit of light fun, but still meaningless. The sheer randomness of the Fifth Doctor rankings, with Spare Parts, the most obvious lead, relegated to fifth place, bears this out. I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'.
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Post by shallacatop on May 12, 2021 14:27:18 GMT
I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'. Why wouldn't they go with it? It's just a bit of promotion for them done with a wide reaching company. Those voting are not necessarily the same audience as those the sale is for, which is presumably to target new customers with a list of stories as voted for by the fans. Fair enough, some less regarded stories are getting ranked higher for a "laugh", but ultimately it doesn't really matter. Opinions vary and what fan consensus might deem a poor story could well be what gets someone on board with Big Finish. There's nothing official about it, there's no prize and there's nothing to lose. Arguably people should be voting for the most recent releases to get them at 50% off well ahead of time!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 14:40:48 GMT
I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'. Why wouldn't they go with it? It's just a bit of promotion for them done with a wide reaching company. Those voting are not necessarily the same audience as those the sale is for, which is presumably to target new customers with a list of stories as voted for by the fans. Fair enough, some less regarded stories are getting ranked higher for a "laugh", but ultimately it doesn't really matter. Opinions vary and what fan consensus might deem a poor story could well be what gets someone on board with Big Finish. There's nothing official about it, there's no prize and there's nothing to lose. Arguably people should be voting for the most recent releases to get them at 50% off well ahead of time! OK. You're absolutely 100% right. Sorry I expressed an opinion. Shall I run any future views past you first for approval?
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Post by shallacatop on May 12, 2021 15:01:52 GMT
Why wouldn't they go with it? It's just a bit of promotion for them done with a wide reaching company. Those voting are not necessarily the same audience as those the sale is for, which is presumably to target new customers with a list of stories as voted for by the fans. Fair enough, some less regarded stories are getting ranked higher for a "laugh", but ultimately it doesn't really matter. Opinions vary and what fan consensus might deem a poor story could well be what gets someone on board with Big Finish. There's nothing official about it, there's no prize and there's nothing to lose. Arguably people should be voting for the most recent releases to get them at 50% off well ahead of time! OK. You're absolutely 100% right. Sorry I expressed an opinion. Shall I run any future views past you first for approval? What a bizarre post and reaction. It’s a forum for discussion. You said you were surprised, I questioned why and explained my thoughts. I don’t really see the issue.
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Post by ljwilson on May 12, 2021 16:33:23 GMT
Well, if Pier Pressure hooks a new-listener I'd be very surprised!
And I doubt BF will give a monkeys about the poll result, sabotaged or not.
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Post by Ela on May 12, 2021 16:54:55 GMT
Yeah, the poll is totally unreliable. Why even bother?
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Post by anothermanicmondas on May 12, 2021 20:08:16 GMT
current standings 1 - The Spectre of Lanyon Moor -1750 2 - The Juggernauts - 1640 3 - Static - 1501 4 - Emissary of the Daleks - 1335 5 - the Holy terror - 1206 6 - The One Doctor - 1116 7 - Pier Pressure - 1051 8 - Jubilee - 1042 9 - Davros - 754 10 - Dr Who & the Pirates - 650 (only one of the 4 I voted for is in there)
equal last place with 30 votes are The Brood of Erys, The Acheron Pulse and Recorded Time
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Post by mark687 on May 12, 2021 20:24:03 GMT
current standings 1 - The Spectre of Lanyon Moor -1750 2 - The Juggernauts - 1640 3 - Static - 1501 4 - Emissary of the Daleks - 1335 5 - the Holy terror - 1206 6 - The One Doctor - 1116 7 - Pier Pressure - 1051 8 - Jubilee - 1042 9 - Davros - 754 10 - Dr Who & the Pirates - 650 (only one of the 4 I voted for is in there) equal last place with 30 votes are The Brood of Erys, The Acheron Pulse and Recorded Time Aside from Pier Pressure a quality sample selection Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 21:46:41 GMT
I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'. A laugh? I took my five hours of constantly refreshing my browser very seriously thank you!
These polls are only click-bait and nothing to get too worked up over. Radio Times didn't care who you voted for as you were still visiting their website, pushing up their traffic and views of any ads they carried on that page ... while Big Finish didn't care either as they'd still be putting five stories on offer.
Of course Nick Briggs might have cared that one of his stories came top of the poll, but I'm sure he'll feel his five hours of constantly refreshing his browser as time well spent and not view it as sabotage.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 21:52:47 GMT
I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'. A laugh? I took my five hours of constantly refreshing my browser very seriously thank you!
These polls are only click-bait and nothing to get too worked up over. Radio Times didn't care who you voted for as you were still visiting their website, pushing up their traffic and views of any ads they carried on that page ... while Big Finish didn't care either as they'd still be putting five stories on offer.
Of course Nick Briggs might have cared that one of his stories came top of the poll, but I'm sure he'll feel his five hours of constantly refreshing his browser as time well spent and not view it as sabotage. It's a bit like the DWM poll that asks fans what the best BF of the year is. It's ALWAYS whatever the biggest release was with the broadest appeal, simply because more people heard it and bought it. The best written ep of...I dunno...Lady Christina will never beat even the most dull Tom Baker story because more people hear the latter to vote for it in the first place. It, again, is a stupid way to do things but DWM don't care and BF care less - Big Finish get free promotion (excuse for a news story and maybe sale) and DWM get content to fill their mag.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 0:24:40 GMT
Spectre of Lanyon Moor has jumped into first place, getting about two hundred votes in the last hour or so which is suspicious. Emissary of the Daleks has suddenly jumped up the ranking too... There's a "ghost in the machine" joke I could make here, but won't (much)... As of the minute, the current listings for the poll are The Spectre of Lanyon Moor, The Juggernauts, Static, Emissary of the Daleks and The Holy Terror (glory to the whifferdill!). I'm noticing a pattern here.... The Juggernauts is a bit easy to explain, it was one of the "New to Big Finish?" releases from the old site prior to renovation. The Mind of the Hodiac boost has likely helped, too (it's also a really good Mel-centric story in its own right, but I'll go on and on, so I'll just leave that thought there...). The rest have a distinctly Gothic aura to them in one respect or another. Interesting! I've fond memories of all of them, but I think the one I listened to most recently was Emissary. I've no idea if Andrew Smith did it intentionally or if it was just a side-effect of how he plotted the story, but it felt like an homage to Terrance Dicks. The opening and interactions with the planet's history, especially, brought to mind State of Decay. It's a nice bit of "fuzzy slippers" storytelling. Something comfortable, yet distinct, with an optimistic shine to the Doctor and Peri's confrontation with the Daleks. A sort of counterpoint to the compelling Orwellean darkness of The Dalek Invasion of Winter.
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Post by kurumais on May 13, 2021 2:41:26 GMT
sixie was tough for me there are so many i love for different reasons in the end i went with the condemned
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 8:03:26 GMT
I am surprised that BF went with the result of an obviously sabotaged poll. The scores have no reliability as for every fan making a genuine vote, there is probably at least one clown repeatedly voting up something in the mid to low table just for a 'laugh'. A laugh? I took my five hours of constantly refreshing my browser very seriously thank you!
These polls are only click-bait and nothing to get too worked up over. Radio Times didn't care who you voted for as you were still visiting their website, pushing up their traffic and views of any ads they carried on that page ... while Big Finish didn't care either as they'd still be putting five stories on offer.
Of course Nick Briggs might have cared that one of his stories came top of the poll, but I'm sure he'll feel his five hours of constantly refreshing his browser as time well spent and not view it as sabotage. That's quite true, thanks. As I said, its fun but meaningless. Unless ones own preferences score top. Then its official, oh yes... It has to be clickbait when you step back from it as its asking people to vote for something they already have for an opportunity to see it reduced in a flash sale. So perhaps rather than use sabotage as a description, one could simply be voting up titles they do not yet have. Seems like a good idea actually - I think I'll start voting up a few too myself!
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Post by number13 on May 13, 2021 10:32:28 GMT
Pier Pressure is the lowest ranked 6th Doctor MR story in the **** ****** so it's either a repeat of the Nekromanteia shenanigans or a lot of Max Miller fans 'Ere's one, 'ere's one. There was this 'Doctor Who' story that nobody thought much of - even the ones who hadn't heard it. And Evelyn says 'How can they say they don't like it if they've not heard it?' And the Doctor, he says, 'Peer pressure, of course!' Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.'
(I like 'Peer Pressure' and the other Robert Ross stories - but I didn't vote for it, or any of the others. Because these polls are obviously gamed and my F5 key broke after trying to get 'The Kingmaker' the place it so obviously deserved in the Fifth Doctor poll I'm above such things. )
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Post by mark687 on May 13, 2021 10:48:08 GMT
Current Top 5
1. Specter
2. Juggernauts
3. Static
4. Emissary
5. One Doctor
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Post by grinch on May 13, 2021 10:53:06 GMT
Not a bad line up in my opinion. Although, even though Spectre is a really good story (especially notable considering how it early it is in the Monthly Range) I’m not sure I’d class it as the best Sixth Doctor in my opinion.
Of course though, that is just my opinion.
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Post by number13 on May 13, 2021 11:05:25 GMT
Not a bad line up in my opinion. Although, even though Spectre is a really good story (especially notable considering how it early it is in the Monthly Range) I’m not sure I’d class it as the best Sixth Doctor in my opinion. Of course though, that is just my opinion. Being early gets you more listeners and being 'the one with the Brig' is a sure-fire vote winner.
Agree, there are so many better Sixie stories - 'The Marian Conspiracy', 'Project:Twilight' 'and The Pirates' to pick a few more early ones which are real classics. 'Emissary of the Daleks' was OK, but again there are many recent Sixie stories which are better imo - including the other two in that trilogy!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 11:57:36 GMT
current standings 1 - The Spectre of Lanyon Moor -1750 2 - The Juggernauts - 1640 3 - Static - 1501 4 - Emissary of the Daleks - 1335 5 - the Holy terror - 1206 6 - The One Doctor - 1116 7 - Pier Pressure - 1051 8 - Jubilee - 1042 9 - Davros - 754 10 - Dr Who & the Pirates - 650 (only one of the 4 I voted for is in there) equal last place with 30 votes are The Brood of Erys, The Acheron Pulse and Recorded Time I wonder what Colin makes of these polls? He's not a fan of them is he? I can partially understand it, in this case especially - once more 'fans' (only a minority, mark you, but fans nevertheless) sabotage something to make a point, which isn't worth making (IMO, of course - maybe I'm just not seeing it). 'Let's get Pier Pressure into the top 10 - that'll be an amazing laugh!' And so there it is.
Having said that, I actually really like Pier Pressure, and the Brood of Erys too, so what do I know?
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Post by grinch on May 13, 2021 12:07:06 GMT
Acheron Pulse is in last place? I know it’s rather been forgotten over the years but I would never call it Big Finish’s worst Sixth Doctor story!
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Post by grinch on May 13, 2021 12:18:37 GMT
current standings 1 - The Spectre of Lanyon Moor -1750 2 - The Juggernauts - 1640 3 - Static - 1501 4 - Emissary of the Daleks - 1335 5 - the Holy terror - 1206 6 - The One Doctor - 1116 7 - Pier Pressure - 1051 8 - Jubilee - 1042 9 - Davros - 754 10 - Dr Who & the Pirates - 650 (only one of the 4 I voted for is in there) equal last place with 30 votes are The Brood of Erys, The Acheron Pulse and Recorded Time I wonder what Colin makes of these polls? He's not a fan of them is he? I can partially understand it, in this case especially - once more 'fans' (only a minority, mark you, but fans nevertheless) sabotage something to make a point, which isn't worth making (IMO, of course - maybe I'm just not seeing it). 'Let's get Pier Pressure into the top 10 - that'll be an amazing laugh!' And so there it is.
Having said that, I actually really like Pier Pressure, and the Brood of Erys too, so what do I know? To be honest, if I were in Mr Baker’s position I probably wouldn’t even bother looking at them. He’s still the Doctor at the end of the day so even if not every story featuring his incarnation is to everyone’s taste it really changes nothing. Still very interesting to look at from our perspective after all.
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