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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2021 17:54:21 GMT
What DW story would you change the ending of and how would you change it?What impact does it have on the rest of the characters arch?
Mine: I actually really like “Hell Bent” except for the ending. I would change it so Clara and 12 kiss and go off together into the sunset in the end during the dinner scene and Me/Ashildr is no where to be scene. 12 and Clara then rebuild their relationship after 12’s mind wipe and start over. This of course leads into the Christmas special, “Husband of Clara Oswald”. 12 and Clara have their Christmas wedding planned by their comedic wedding planner Nardole and then 12 and Clara spend 24 years on Delirium together. In the end, though Clara decides not to go back to her death after 24 years much to 12’s delight. They then help the Ghost and his girl in “Doctor Mysterio”, at the end of which Clara tells 12 she is having his child. Then in Series 10, Clara and 12 are co professors at St. Luke’s. They are both sad because their kids are all grown up and have their very own TARDIS’s, so they adopt Bill as their surrogate daughter!
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Post by grinch on May 9, 2021 18:51:11 GMT
I’d probably change the ending of The War Machines so as Dodo gets a proper send off and a chance to properly say goodbye rather than simply vanishing offscreen.
It doesn’t have to be overly sentimental or over the top but just a moment for the Doctor and Dodo to officially part ways. She was his travelling companion after all despite how brief it might have been.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 9, 2021 19:13:32 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era.
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2021 19:18:43 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era. No😉
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Post by constonks on May 9, 2021 20:35:25 GMT
The Fam doesn't catch up with the TARDIS until the middle of Season 11.
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Post by muckypup on May 9, 2021 20:38:27 GMT
Clara stays dead, same with hex.
Dead should mean dead.......
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2021 20:44:37 GMT
The Fam doesn't catch up with the TARDIS until the middle of Season 11. Ooo interesting! How would this change the plot do you think?
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Post by Digi on May 9, 2021 21:01:55 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era. Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending
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Post by grinch on May 9, 2021 21:10:57 GMT
Clara stays dead, same with hex. Dead should mean dead....... Yeah. I don’t mind the odd exception but having Clara become immortal and immediately afterwards then Bill become practically a god really felt like a cop out.
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2021 21:12:21 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era. Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending Agree with everything but the first part🤔 Why not keep Clara and just give Capaldi two extra series after series 10 in which Bill and Clara are both featured?😊
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 9, 2021 21:19:05 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era. Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending Yep, the annoying companion hangs around & yet the one that made 12's era vaguely watchable for me is only around for one season & given an unsatisfactory ending. Agree with your other points especially the pairing of Mickey & Martha that appears out of nowhere & does feel like sticking 2 black characters together.
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Post by number13 on May 9, 2021 23:11:07 GMT
Clara leaves when Matt Smith regenerates & we start 12 with the Bill Potts era. Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending You know, I'd completely forgotten that. Agree, Martha & Mickey was just not believable. Martha has brains, style and (if it's not too old-fashioned to say this) pure class. She's way out of his league!
Also, agree we should have had much more Bill. my favourite New Who companion to date. With a side-order of more Nardole for fun!
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Post by timegirl on May 9, 2021 23:24:34 GMT
Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending You know, I'd completely forgotten that. Agree, Martha & Mickey was just not believable. Martha has brains, style and (if it's not too old-fashioned to say this) pure class. She's way out of his league!
Also, agree we should have had much more Bill. my favourite New Who companion to date. With a side-order of more Nardole for fun! But can we just add more Capaldi series with Bill and keep Clara during 12’s tenure?Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinions, but it makes me sad to have my favorite TARDIS team viewed so negatively on my thread 😔
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 23:40:46 GMT
Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending You know, I'd completely forgotten that. Agree, Martha & Mickey was just not believable. Martha has brains, style and (if it's not too old-fashioned to say this) pure class. She's way out of his league!
Also, agree we should have had much more Bill. my favourite New Who companion to date. With a side-order of more Nardole for fun! I loved the dynamic Peter and Pearl had, it felt much more natural than that he shared with Jenna. I loved the writing of the 12/Clara era, the whole "Am I a good man" arc, then the "duty of care", with a much more detached relationship on the surface but with a real heart underpinning it all. Yet Bill felt like the kinda companion perfect for Capaldi's Doc in S10. She was literally his student but she had a wonder and an earnestness that Clara never really had after Matt left. Capaldi's Doc and Bill were the "Professor and Ace" kinda dynamic done brilliantly. I understand that off-camera they weren't as close as Peter and Jenna but man, that doesn't come off on screen at all. They work so well together. I'd have loved another series with Bill.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 23:44:42 GMT
Agreed, and then 12/Bill get 2-3 series together. It's tragic that Bill only got the one year, she was a brilliant character. Couple others: - would NOT have Martha/Mickey an item at the end of The End of Time. Even in 2010, it made me uncomfortable because it smacked of 'let's just stick the two Black characters together, that's a satisfying ending for them, right?' - the end of Love & Monsters. It's not a great episode to begin with, but it might've been at least salvageable instead of horrific, if not for that ending Yep, the annoying companion hangs around & yet the one that made 12's era vaguely watchable for me is only around for one season & given an unsatisfactory ending. Agree with your other points especially the pairing of Mickey & Martha that appears out of nowhere & does feel like sticking 2 black characters together. I'm sure it was more a case of killing two birds with one scene getting them together, not having to revisit two scenes but I remember thinking the same. I do RTD remember loved the notion that Martha ends up with "Smith And Jones", being exactly how she came into the show but yeah..not great.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 23:55:35 GMT
Timeless Children ending with the prison "twist". It was fine at the time but when the special hit, it seemed Chibbers had almost zero interest in the notion and couldn't get Jodie out and back to Earth fast enough. In retrospect, the Doctor needing time to process/look into what she'd just discovered and taking off without saying goodbye, almost like Jack at the end of Torchwood Series 1, would be better. Then Jack comes to find her when there's a threat he can't handle alone..something like that.
"The Prison" was just a waste.
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Post by theillusiveman on May 10, 2021 0:36:58 GMT
Heaven sent- change the ending where The Doctor escapes and ends up back at his tardis and leaves having the story end and the next episode is husbands of River song
Once Upon a time- ends just before the doctor finishes his regeneration leaving it a mystery to who he becomes
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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2021 1:42:08 GMT
Heaven sent- change the ending where The Doctor escapes and ends up back at his tardis and leaves having the story end and the next episode is husbands of River song Once Upon a time- ends just before the doctor finishes his regeneration leaving it a mystery to who he becomes That would miss the whole point of Heaven Sent though. 12 was only driven to get out and save his Clara. What people often miss is it’s not simply 12 grieving any companion and moving on, he is only kept going specifically because he loves Clara and is determined to get out and bring her back.
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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2021 2:08:14 GMT
I regret making this thread now. I feel like it’s mostly being used to be negative about my favorite TARDIS team (12 and Clara ) and that makes me really sad😔I love Bill too but I don’t like the idea of getting rid of Clara completely. I know I am probably overreacting because I am over tired and not feeling well from my Moderna Vaccine but I wanted this to be a happy thread. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course, but it’s too much negativity for me.
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Post by Ela on May 10, 2021 2:53:59 GMT
Doctor Who fans have so many differing opinions on the characters and they are never going to agree or have the same feelings about certain characters and TARDIS teams.
When you start a thread on a forum, you need to accept that it's not necessarily going to go the way you want it to go. That's just the way it is on the internet.
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