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Post by grinch on Jan 8, 2022 9:44:04 GMT
Back onto Topic Will Jamie be featured in only one boxset or are they going to branch off with new companions for The Second Doctor? Hard to say. Before the announcement of their appearance in The Annihilators, I thought they’d take the opportunity to have some new companions introduced for the Second Doctor but now I’m not so sure.
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Post by cwm on Jan 8, 2022 9:53:43 GMT
I presume Jamie does have some involvement in Beyond War Games, as his appearance in The Annihilators has been specifically described as a prelude to it.
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Post by grinch on Jan 8, 2022 20:41:48 GMT
I presume Jamie does have some involvement in Beyond War Games, as his appearance in The Annihilators has been specifically described as a prelude to it. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if this led to Big Finish doing their own take on The World Shapers leaving the 6B Second Doctor free to take on original companions.
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 8, 2022 21:37:49 GMT
Back onto Topic Will Jamie be featured in only one boxset or are they going to branch off with new companions for The Second Doctor? I really hope he's not in Beyond War Games. Yes, we all love Jaime and Zoe, but the whole point of doing a Season 6B is to do something new with the 2nd Doctor, right? And, by extension, new companions (and also solo adventures). Jaime popping up immediately after being seized and mind-wiped by the Time Lords would completely undercut their whole premise here. I think the ideal course for the 2DAs would be to alternate between 6B boxsets -- delivering a more modern approach to Classic-era storytelling -- and more conventional 2DA set before War Games. That way we get the best of both worlds, old and new.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 8, 2022 21:53:38 GMT
Hines injects his Doctor performances with a warmth and the audio equivalent of a “twinkle in the eye”.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jan 9, 2022 9:13:00 GMT
Back onto Topic Will Jamie be featured in only one boxset or are they going to branch off with new companions for The Second Doctor? I really hope he's not in Beyond War Games. Yes, we all love Jaime and Zoe, but the whole point of doing a Season 6B is to do something new with the 2nd Doctor, right? And, by extension, new companions (and also solo adventures). Jaime popping up immediately after being seized and mind-wiped by the Time Lords would completely undercut their whole premise here. I think the ideal course for the 2DAs would be to alternate between 6B boxsets -- delivering a more modern approach to Classic-era storytelling -- and more conventional 2DA set before War Games. That way we get the best of both worlds, old and new. Well I could imagine that Frazer would be in either 1 or 2 Box sets including The Annihilators (which would be a prequel to Beyond War Games Vol 1) thus its possible we would get a boxset with Tarlos as a companion
and potentially some other companions too hard to say at this point
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 9, 2022 13:01:46 GMT
Well I could imagine that Frazer would be in either 1 or 2 Box sets including The Annihilators (which would be a prequel to Beyond War Games Vol 1) thus its possible we would get a boxset with Tarlos as a companion
and potentially some other companions too hard to say at this point
I'm thinking BWG, kind of by definition, ought to adapt--in part--some of War Games itself, so we could see (y'all know what I mean) Jaime (and Zoe) in that bit of time when they're captives. Presumably more went on during the events of War Games than were seen on-screen (that's the whole premise here, of course) so they could easily have expanded roles. Of course, that's assuming Big Finish properly starts this set by fully establishing that premise, which is... not something I'm confident in. They have a bad habit of assuming their audience is intricately familiar with Who continuity, and constructing their stories accordingly. They also have a (bad?) habit of in media res storytelling, so I wouldn't be surprised in BWG just has the Doctor working for the Time Lords, without actually showing us how that all started in the first place. I'd be disappointed, but not surprised. I can't imagine Big Finish would be able, let alone willing, to let the 2DAs putter around without Jaime or Zoe (especially considering Frazer Hines is the only person involved giving the range any semblance of authenticity), and I don't think "flashbacks" or their equivalent would really satisfy that need... I just hope they have the good sense to delineate between two different eras rather than doing something like having the Time Lords also recruit the human companions to do their bidding. Then we'd be stuck with the dynamic post-WG being effectively identical to pre-WG, make the whole thing pointless. Which isn't to say I don't love the 2nd Doctor's era of the Tv show (I do, so, so much) -- just that BYG is, inherently, meant to be something different. That doesn't necessarily mean better, just different.Anyway, the more I think on it, the more interested i am in seeing how the 2nd Doctor might fare solo. He relied on his companions quite a bit--this was a weird period in the show where the Doctor was still in the process of becoming the leading man he would always be after Pertwee. There could be an interesting character arc there--showing how at the back half of his life, the 2nd Doctor became more independent and self-confident, more of the man he'd later become.
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Post by Thebogiehole on Jan 9, 2022 20:56:44 GMT
This is a silly tangent, but I would really like to be able to hear BF do something with Damien from the Omen or Rhoda from the Bad Seed or Esther from Orphan.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jan 9, 2022 21:09:21 GMT
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Post by Digi on Jan 9, 2022 21:19:43 GMT
Moderator comment:The 'tangent' in this thread has been cleaned out, so we can return to the topic at hand. Also, as linked by ADWF above, the forum rules -- nothing new in them, but please note that 'the spirit of the law' is as important as 'the letter of the law.' We're all adults here, we can behave as such. Those who cannot will find themselves removed from the forum.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 21, 2022 3:16:04 GMT
After Finishing The Annihilators I am much more excited for Beyond War Games than I was before--and I was already very excited! David Michael Troughton's 2nd Doctor was instantly recognizable to my ears, and getting to see Frazier Hines play a proper older Jaime (for real this time) was a delight!
I was also very impressed by the sound effects, which were instantly evocative of that old black-and-white era. Especially the reverb/echo in that last scene with the 2nd Doctor and Jaime--you can just picture them standing in that minimalist, lo-fi 1960's-style "void" shouting up at their invisible Time Lord keepers.
I am also very excited for the upcoming Doctor Who Unbound sets with Colin Baker, but for now--after Annihilators--Beyond War Games has skyrocketed up to the very top of my list of most-anticipated upcoming releases.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Feb 21, 2022 8:20:36 GMT
After Finishing The Annihilators I am much more excited for Beyond War Games than I was before--and I was already very excited! David Troughton's 2nd Doctor was instantly recognizable to my ears, and getting to see Frazier Hines play a proper older Jaime (for real this time) was a delight! I was also very impressed by the sound effects, which were instantly evocative of that old black-and-white era. Especially the reverb/echo in that last scene with the 2nd Doctor and Jaime--you can just picture them standing in that minimalist, lo-fi 1960's-style "void" shouting up at their invisible Time Lord keepers. I am also very excited for the upcoming Doctor Who Unbound sets with Colin Baker, but for now--after Annihilators-- Beyond War Games has skyrocketed up to the very top of my list of most-anticipated upcoming releases. Worth noting though that Jamie won't be appearing in Beyond War Games. From what Briggs said in the behind-the-scenes of The Annihilators, Jamie won't be appearing until the 2023 Second Doctor stories.
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Post by ollychops on Feb 21, 2022 12:53:34 GMT
After Finishing The Annihilators I am much more excited for Beyond War Games than I was before--and I was already very excited! David Troughton's 2nd Doctor was instantly recognizable to my ears, and getting to see Frazier Hines play a proper older Jaime (for real this time) was a delight! I was also very impressed by the sound effects, which were instantly evocative of that old black-and-white era. Especially the reverb/echo in that last scene with the 2nd Doctor and Jaime--you can just picture them standing in that minimalist, lo-fi 1960's-style "void" shouting up at their invisible Time Lord keepers. I am also very excited for the upcoming Doctor Who Unbound sets with Colin Baker, but for now--after Annihilators-- Beyond War Games has skyrocketed up to the very top of my list of most-anticipated upcoming releases. Worth noting though that Jamie won't be appearing in Beyond War Games. From what Briggs said in the behind-the-scenes of The Annihilators, Jamie won't be appearing until the 2023 Second Doctor stories. As much as I like Jamie, I’m glad to hear that. It would be weird to open up a new era for more opportunities for the Second Doctor only to pair him up with a previous companion.
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Post by elkawho on Feb 21, 2022 13:30:45 GMT
After Finishing The Annihilators I am much more excited for Beyond War Games than I was before--and I was already very excited! David Troughton's 2nd Doctor was instantly recognizable to my ears, and getting to see Frazier Hines play a proper older Jaime (for real this time) was a delight! I was also very impressed by the sound effects, which were instantly evocative of that old black-and-white era. Especially the reverb/echo in that last scene with the 2nd Doctor and Jaime--you can just picture them standing in that minimalist, lo-fi 1960's-style "void" shouting up at their invisible Time Lord keepers. I am also very excited for the upcoming Doctor Who Unbound sets with Colin Baker, but for now--after Annihilators-- Beyond War Games has skyrocketed up to the very top of my list of most-anticipated upcoming releases. I'm only doing this because I've seen you make this mistake twice, but it's Michael Troughton playing The Second Doctor, not David. David is Peladon. Sorry.
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Post by Timelord007 on Feb 21, 2022 13:43:02 GMT
Really on the fence about this release, is there a story arc for a Doctor seen regenerating during the conclusion of the War Games, i like to know how this plays out & whom stops this regeneration & why.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 21, 2022 13:50:04 GMT
Really on the fence about this release, is there a story arc for a Doctor seen regenerating during the conclusion of the War Games, i like to know how this plays out & whom stops this regeneration & why. Million Dollar Question all we know for sure so far is this sets a season which will played out over multiple boxsets. Regards mark687
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Post by Thebogiehole on Feb 21, 2022 16:29:36 GMT
he's not seen regenerating, to be fair. Just fron TV information we know that Two is transported from the court room back to Old Blue before he and it are sent from Gallifrey
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Post by thewatcher on Feb 21, 2022 16:55:40 GMT
Really on the fence about this release, is there a story arc for a Doctor seen regenerating during the conclusion of the War Games, i like to know how this plays out & whom stops this regeneration & why. I agree on this. We saw him start to regenerate. How does this one work still with 2nd Doctor? & what will be so different about adventures for it to stand out next to other 2nd Doctor things?
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Post by grinch on Feb 21, 2022 17:03:29 GMT
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if it we got as much an explanation as say, in the midst of the Second Doctor regenerating one of the Time Lords pauses and goes “Hang a minute, I’ve got a better idea...”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 17:37:17 GMT
Really on the fence about this release, is there a story arc for a Doctor seen regenerating during the conclusion of the War Games, i like to know how this plays out & whom stops this regeneration & why. Yes, it made for some of the best pre-DWM comics. The Second Doctor was sent to Earth to finish some Timelord jobs before bein changed (because Pertwee had not been cast yet). And it made for some insane, cool ideas. Doc became a TV star even. And when the time comes for him to become his next self...he is pursued by evil sentient scarecrows (yes Paul Cornell...I know where you found that Human Nature idea!) and it turns out...they are not really evil, but almost autons but in the service of the Timelords, makin sure his sentence is carried out. I sincerely hope this series is as bonkers and bold as that. Also - stories in that placement explain why Pat looks older even in "canon" - in the Two Docs he is slowly seein his hair turn whiter as Pertwees Doc takes hold slowly. Like the forced renewal is a poison that works slowly. We can also use this for why he sounds like Michael T not Pat.
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