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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 30, 2021 9:15:01 GMT
When was this recorded? It's disheartening to see the notorious racist Sean Biggerstaff still getting employment from BF. Come again?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 10:33:59 GMT
When was this recorded? It's disheartening to see the notorious racist Sean Biggerstaff still getting employment from BF. Come again? Basically from what i can Gather Sean Biggerstaff was a huge Jeremy Corbyn supporter and supoorted everything he says. Now if you thought Jermey Corbyn was Anti Semitic Biggerstaff agreed with what he said so he is too. Essentially. Hes made a couple of comments here and there throughout the years but nothing as explicitly Anti Semitic from what i have seen compared to the blatantly transphobic James dreyfus. Theres at least reasonable doubt unlike with dreyfus imo I dunno for me personally i think its too much of a grey area to refuse to work with him. It probs doesn’t help he and tracy Ann oberman keep fighting and so if you were to expunged sean it might put Ann Obermans transgressions like the bullying into the limelight, either by Biggersatf or his fans and i imagine Oberman is someone they don’t want to loose seen as they can’t work with barrowman right now. Obviously though your milage will vary and thats fair enough. They have also hired him for the new jenny boxset so regardless it looks like they plan to work with him as they would have seen the twitter argument as i think scott hancock shared it if im correct? Honestly, why don’t actors just keep politics to themselves it would make the world so much easier
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Post by cwm on Jun 30, 2021 10:41:16 GMT
Biggerstaff asked why it wasn't OK for him to talk about rich Jews secretly controlling the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 11:11:12 GMT
Biggerstaff asked why it wasn't OK for him to talk about rich Jews secretly controlling the world. I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol
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Post by elkawho on Jun 30, 2021 11:22:09 GMT
Biggerstaff asked why it wasn't OK for him to talk about rich Jews secretly controlling the world. I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol Yep, jeez. I wish people would just cut it out. We have all said things we wish we could take back or acted in a way that we regret. No one is perfect and people are complex. I wish we would stop taking people's livelihoods away for things they said years before, possibly taken out of context. I find it pretty revolting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 12:06:49 GMT
I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol Yep, jeez. I wish people would just cut it out. We have all said things we wish we could take back or acted in a way that we regret. No one is perfect and people are complex. I wish we would stop taking people's livelihoods away for things they said years before, possibly taken out of context. I find it pretty revolting. It's the McCarthy tribunal mentality behind it which get me. When it becomes an active pursuit, a hunt, for people to persecute for wrongdoing. Looking for people to harm and blame. By that point, it stops being about getting justice for that misconduct and much more about gathering victims for punishment. Beyond someone to blame, someone to hurt.
It's the old story of warriors from the Crusades who could not put the sword down when the war is over. They cannot do it. Peacetime is alien to them, so it becomes a mania. There is nothing to swing it at, so they go and find someone to do just that. They become the very extremists, bullies and tyrants they fought against. That is the sickness.
Everyone talks about winning wars, but so little is said about winning the peace. You have to learn to live in peace, not just survive it. Otherwise, in absence of war, you will bring the conflict to your own people. Because, from that perspective, it's the only way to live -- and it's not. You don't have to forgive, but you do have to accept because, if you don't, you will never live. You will be trapped reliving someone else's mistakes and that's not even surviving. That's dying. Very slowly, inch-by-inch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 12:06:51 GMT
I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol Yep, jeez. I wish people would just cut it out. We have all said things we wish we could take back or acted in a way that we regret. No one is perfect and people are complex. I wish we would stop taking people's livelihoods away for things they said years before, possibly taken out of context. I find it pretty revolting. I do find it odd, its like we have decided that people in the public eye can’t say dumb stuff. I mean Peter Purves is an anti masker, a but silly yeah but should he loose his job over it? Some have argued for it. Obviously there are occasions where the things people say and do are not okay and they shouldn’t get work. But most of the time its people not thinking and saying a silky thing, sometimes not even that. Thats my major issue with “cancel culture” or at least what it refers to in this day and age. The end result, the punishment is always the same which is ridiculous as thats not how we deal with regular workers so why hold actors to a much much higher standard.
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Post by cwm on Jun 30, 2021 12:47:58 GMT
Biggerstaff asked why it wasn't OK for him to talk about rich Jews secretly controlling the world. I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol No, he literally said exactly that. It is not up for discussion; he did, indeed say that.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 30, 2021 13:08:55 GMT
Another Request for the off topic matter to move its own specific thread or even one about BF associates views in the Public Consciousness cause the (respectful) discussion might be worth having occasionally?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 13:18:17 GMT
Another Request for the off topic matter to its own specific thread or even one about BF associates views in the Public Consciousness cause the (respectful) discussion might be worth having occasionally? Regards mark687 Beat me to the punch by a matter of minutes. I'd be for that, too. There's a worthwhile discussion in here about the concept of celebrity, accountability, parasocial relationships and the like, but it's all a bit broader than the M.O. for this After the Daleks thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:07:24 GMT
I mean he didn’t say that exactly though did he, your paraphrasing, because if he did he would have been cancelled back when he said it in 2018. Edit: this should probs have its own thread though as its off topic. I mean we should probably have a cancelation mega thread at this point every week theres a new person getting crucified lol No, he literally said exactly that. It is not up for discussion; he did, indeed say that. Yes thats what he said. Earlier you said he asked “why it wasn't OK for him to talk about rich Jews secretly controlling the world.” Which isn’t what he said, as you have just proven. This is what i took issue with. You can’t say someone literally said that when they, literally, did not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:20:31 GMT
A place to discuss any controversys that may arise in relation to the creatives and associates of Big finish. This can be something thats has gained wider press attention or just something you personally find objectionable. This has been sparked by a recent discussion about Sean Biggerstaff so maybe the discussion could start there? Enough creatives are getting into hot water these days, at least one big finish dude a month, so there will certainly be enough material to talk about.
P.s hope this is in the right place if it need to be moved to off topic thats fine. I do feel its relevant to big finish in general though as the results of these controversy's can lead to actors no longer working with BF ala James Dreyfus and John Barrowman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:20:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:31:07 GMT
This is clearly a very sensitive subject, and I'm bound to make my point with less finesse than is needed, for which I apologise.
I'm not going to name individual cases, and some creatives are a lot less 'wholesome' than others - but how is 'controversy' judged? A viewpoint? A tweet? A casual remark? Behaviour that some may find amusing may not be tolerated by others. Should Big Finish scour every actor/writer/employee to make sure they have never insulted anyone, never said anything inappropriate, never held views that some may not like, never got into a fight, never said anything negative about someone? What I mean is, how far should creatives be judged when everyone behaves badly from time to time - what with being human and all that?
I do know we would have been robbed of some wonderful creative talent over Doctor Who's 50+ years if anyone with a blemish on their record was denied association with the show.
It's a difficult one, and while some people have abused their position without a doubt, I think there are those who are treated unfairly and are found 'guilty' by association.
I'm just glad I'm not in a position where I have to make the choice about whether to employ someone or not.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 30, 2021 14:40:05 GMT
Good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:53:44 GMT
it does my head in when I go to a thread about a release and find it's been hijacked like this one for arguments about what a person did or did not do or say at some point in the past. Now a new thread has been started for just those debates, hopefully all off-topic discussion can get dumped there where I can safely ignore it and just concentrate on Doctor Who (or B7 or whatever)
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Post by ljwilson on Jun 30, 2021 14:54:41 GMT
Ah, yet more trials by social media. Not sure I like this tbh so I won't be getting involved.
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Post by ollychops on Jun 30, 2021 15:17:06 GMT
Yeah... Not sure this thread is a good idea. It could get a bit messy, especially if anyone mentioned in this thread got wind of it.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 30, 2021 15:21:41 GMT
Yeah... Not sure this thread is a good idea. It could get a bit messy, especially if anyone mentioned in this thread got wind of it. Yeah i can imagine that if someone who was accused saw this they would want to take legal action
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Post by pawntake on Jun 30, 2021 15:39:25 GMT
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