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Post by cwm on Mar 27, 2022 19:01:23 GMT
I very much doubt Clarke wants any of those allegations to reach the inside of a courtroom.
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Post by grinch on Mar 27, 2022 19:05:57 GMT
And round it goes. Multiple allegations made, described, investigated and all found not to have met "The threshold of criminal Investigation and charge" WTH I bet you the next move is he sues for Slander and Loss of Income. Regards mark687 I wonder what he’ll do after this. In terms of the entertainment industry, he’s practically unemployable. No one will want to go anywhere near him.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 27, 2022 19:11:56 GMT
I very much doubt Clarke wants any of those allegations to reach the inside of a courtroom. Yes but for none of them to have been found not to have met the threshold for that is shocking (and I'm only thinking about the ones that were made Public) Regards mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 27, 2022 19:30:32 GMT
I very much doubt Clarke wants any of those allegations to reach the inside of a courtroom. Yes but for none of them to have been found not to have met the threshold for that is shocking (and I'm only thinking about the ones that were made Public) Regards mark687 Should be also stated 'not met threshold' is not the same as 'lied/faked it/no proof', so no one misconstrues what the Met did here. Clarke is not an innocent man here.
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Post by thewatcher on Mar 27, 2022 19:34:35 GMT
police fail women again is it a surprise given how they do things
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Post by cwm on Mar 27, 2022 19:35:22 GMT
Also: Many of the allegations were of *unethical* behaviour. That doesn't necessarily mean *illegal*.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 27, 2022 19:44:32 GMT
Yes but for none of them to have been found not to have met the threshold for that is shocking (and I'm only thinking about the ones that were made Public) Regards mark687 Should be also stated 'not met threshold' is not the same as 'lied/faked it/no proof', so no one misconstrues what the Met did here. Yes to be clear I am in no way accusing the Women involved of lying, its just shocking that none of it was viewed as wrong enough to be put before the Courts for any form of Legal Judgement. Regards mark687
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Post by penguintim on Mar 27, 2022 21:32:02 GMT
As reliable and reputable a source as the Daily Mail is for stuff like this, "John Barrowman being called as a witness by Kevin Spacey's team" does not equal "John Barrowman was called up by Kevin Spacey asking him to defend him in court to which he happily agreed"
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Post by Ela on Mar 27, 2022 22:08:33 GMT
Content warning: transphobia, SA, and islamophobia {Spoiler}
Frances Barber implying that trans women are secretly rapists, a common fear amongst TERFs with no evidence for it. She's also been tweeting hateful things about trans swimmer Lia Thomas. I've found the below thread, open to see the full thing, where she is also Islamophobic.
Oh, dear. She's another TERF? Sorry to hear that.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 27, 2022 22:27:28 GMT
Should be also stated 'not met threshold' is not the same as 'lied/faked it/no proof', so no one misconstrues what the Met did here. Yes to be clear I am in no way accusing the Women involved of lying, its just shocking that none of it was viewed as wrong enough to be put before the Courts for any form of Legal Judgement. Regards mark687 Oh I wasn't accusing you. Apologies.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 27, 2022 22:41:22 GMT
And round it goes. Multiple allegations made, described, investigated and all found not to have met "The threshold of criminal Investigation and charge" WTH I bet you the next move is he sues for Slander and Loss of Income. Regards mark687 I wonder what he’ll do after this. In terms of the entertainment industry, he’s practically unemployable. No one will want to go anywhere near him. Mel Gibson is still working. Roman Polanski is still working.
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Post by grinch on Mar 27, 2022 22:56:29 GMT
I wonder what he’ll do after this. In terms of the entertainment industry, he’s practically unemployable. No one will want to go anywhere near him. Mel Gibson is still working. Roman Polanski is still working. Fair point.
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Post by thewatcher on Mar 28, 2022 7:47:42 GMT
I wonder what he’ll do after this. In terms of the entertainment industry, he’s practically unemployable. No one will want to go anywhere near him. Mel Gibson is still working. Roman Polanski is still working. thank you for this as so many seem to use cancel culture and things like that but this proves it does not exist men can do terrible things and still have careers and we are not just saying in hollywood,
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2022 7:55:59 GMT
And round it goes. Multiple allegations made, described, investigated and all found not to have met "The threshold of criminal Investigation and charge" WTH I bet you the next move is he sues for Slander and Loss of Income.Regards mark687 The threshold in a criminal case is very high "beyond reasonable doubt", whereas the threshold in a civil case, which it would be if Clarke sued the accusers, is significantly lower - "the balance of probabilities". So suing would be a huge risk for Clarke. And even if he won a civil case, I would imagine that so much would come out about unsavoury - if not technically illegal - conduct that he would do more harm to himself than anyone else.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 28, 2022 9:05:09 GMT
And round it goes. Multiple allegations made, described, investigated and all found not to have met "The threshold of criminal Investigation and charge" WTH I bet you the next move is he sues for Slander and Loss of Income.Regards mark687 The threshold in a criminal case is very high "beyond reasonable doubt", whereas the threshold in a civil case, which it would be if Clarke sued the accusers, is significantly lower - "the balance of probabilities". So suing would be a huge risk for Clarke. And even if he won a civil case, I would imagine that so much would come out about unsavoury - if not technically illegal - conduct that he would do more harm to himself than anyone else. If you want to see an example of how well a civil case might go, one our “war heroes” is currently suing someone for defamation over something she said about him on Twitter and it is turning into one of the biggest own goals I think I’ve ever seen anywhere. If it didn’t involve a lot of death, blackmail, abuse and just general toxic masculinity at its “finest” it would be hilarious. It might well set a standard for that sort of case in the future.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 28, 2022 9:12:37 GMT
Mel Gibson is still working. Roman Polanski is still working. thank you for this as so many seem to use cancel culture and things like that but this proves it does not exist men can do terrible things and still have careers and we are not just saying in hollywood, You know who cancel culture does affect, though? Women. The Dixie Chicks were effectively silenced as recording artists after the second Gulf War because they were critical of US involvement. And Australian journalist Yassmin Abdel-Magied was hounded out of the country because she made a comment that was vaguely critical of the behaviour of servicemen during he First World War. She’s found some success in London but she had to leave Australia for her own safety. So yeah, Clarke will probably have a few lean years but he will no doubt work again.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 28, 2022 10:15:32 GMT
The threshold in a criminal case is very high "beyond reasonable doubt", whereas the threshold in a civil case, which it would be if Clarke sued the accusers, is significantly lower - "the balance of probabilities". So suing would be a huge risk for Clarke. And even if he won a civil case, I would imagine that so much would come out about unsavoury - if not technically illegal - conduct that he would do more harm to himself than anyone else. If you want to see an example of how well a civil case might go, one our “war heroes” is currently suing someone for defamation over something she said about him on Twitter and it is turning into one of the biggest own goals I think I’ve ever seen anywhere. If it didn’t involve a lot of death, blackmail, abuse and just general toxic masculinity at its “finest” it would be hilarious. It might well set a standard for that sort of case in the future. Someone like Jonny Depp or Jonathan Aitken are examples of individuals bringing a civil case, clearly confident in their expectation of being "vindicated", and ending up being the loser. In both cases, if they were wise, they would have realised how extraordinarily lucky they were to have got away with their misdeeds up to that point, and left well enough alone rather than pushing their luck with a civil case. But the rest is history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 11:17:03 GMT
If you want to see an example of how well a civil case might go, one our “war heroes” is currently suing someone for defamation over something she said about him on Twitter and it is turning into one of the biggest own goals I think I’ve ever seen anywhere. If it didn’t involve a lot of death, blackmail, abuse and just general toxic masculinity at its “finest” it would be hilarious. It might well set a standard for that sort of case in the future. Someone like Jonny Depp or Jonathan Aitken are examples of individuals bringing a civil case, clearly confident in their expectation of being "vindicated", and ending up being the loser. In both cases, if they were wise, they would have realised how extraordinarily lucky they were to have got away with their misdeeds up to that point, and left well enough alone rather than pushing their luck with a civil case. But the rest is history. I thought Johnny Depp was rather mistreated by Amber Heard. I guess you’ll rebut me on that.
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Post by thewatcher on Mar 29, 2022 7:44:57 GMT
thank you for this as so many seem to use cancel culture and things like that but this proves it does not exist men can do terrible things and still have careers and we are not just saying in hollywood, You know who cancel culture does affect, though? Women. The Dixie Chicks were effectively silenced as recording artists after the second Gulf War because they were critical of US involvement. And Australian journalist Yassmin Abdel-Magied was hounded out of the country because she made a comment that was vaguely critical of the behaviour of servicemen during he First World War. She’s found some success in London but she had to leave Australia for her own safety. So yeah, Clarke will probably have a few lean years but he will no doubt work again. yes true thank you for highlighting
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 26, 2022 10:41:04 GMT
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