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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 30, 2021 15:42:40 GMT
Yeah... Not sure this thread is a good idea. It could get a bit messy, especially if anyone mentioned in this thread got wind of it. Yeah i can imagine that if someone who was accused saw this they would want to take legal action
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 15:54:34 GMT
Yeah... Not sure this thread is a good idea. It could get a bit messy, especially if anyone mentioned in this thread got wind of it. Yeah i can imagine that if someone who was accused saw this they would want to take legal action I mean if whats being said is factual untrue them yeah. But like if i said john Barrowman got his dick out on the set if doctor who, i couldn’t be sued for that as it is true even if it is damaging to him I do sorta agree but at the same time, if people are going to talk about these situations, and they do month in month out, its better to have a dedicated thread as the discourse keeps polluting other threads as people have commented how every time something like this happens threads go wildly off topic because a certain actor who said x it did y is in it, that discourse can now be directed here instead of making a thread go of topic for pages and pages.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 30, 2021 17:39:19 GMT
I think the thread is ok, but be nice. We are going to keep an eye on it. We should all be grown up enough to discuss and debate without bullying or insinuating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 17:52:14 GMT
Nick Briggs ate my hamster!
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Post by muckypup on Jun 30, 2021 18:21:55 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here,
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 30, 2021 18:56:56 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here, NO! NO! NO! DO NOT DELETE IT!
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Post by mark687 on Jun 30, 2021 18:57:30 GMT
Yeah i can imagine that if someone who was accused saw this they would want to take legal action I mean if whats being said is factual untrue them yeah. But like if i said john Barrowman got his dick out on the set if doctor who, i couldn’t be sued for that as it is true even if it is damaging to him I do sorta agree but at the same time, if people are going to talk about these situations, and they do month in month out, its better to have a dedicated thread as the discourse keeps polluting other threads as people have commented how every time something like this happens threads go wildly off topic because a certain actor who said x it did y is in it, that discourse can now be directed here instead of making a thread go of topic for pages and pages.Concur there Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:05:36 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here, No, we need to embrace these things and not pretend that if we ignore them they will go away. Cancel culture is real and it's happening everywhere. Good people are being destroyed on social media because of stupid things they once did or ignorant comments they might have made a long time ago. Are we all so perfect?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 30, 2021 21:38:29 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here, No, we need to embrace these things and not pretend that if we ignore them they will go away. Cancel culture is real and it's happening everywhere. Good people are being destroyed on social media because of stupid things they once did or ignorant comments they might have made a long time ago. Are we all so perfect?
I would call it consequences culture, although i can't think of any specific examples of someone who has been cancelled in the context of the above.
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Post by boffy on Jun 30, 2021 21:43:19 GMT
If you are keeping the thread, can you please correct its title to something like “Big Finish Associates' Controversies”?
Having addressed the main issue at hand, let's see if we can't iron out a little thing like bigotry or the pandemic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 21:55:43 GMT
If you are keeping the thread, can you please correct its title to something like “Big Finish Associates' Controversies”? Having addressed the main issue at hand, let's see if we can't iron out a little thing like bigotry or the pandemic. Spelling is hard okay 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 22:22:53 GMT
No, we need to embrace these things and not pretend that if we ignore them they will go away. Cancel culture is real and it's happening everywhere. Good people are being destroyed on social media because of stupid things they once did or ignorant comments they might have made a long time ago. Are we all so perfect?
I would call it consequences culture, although i can't think of any specific examples of someone who has been cancelled in the context of the above. I was actually thinking of that young English cricketer that got dropped from the England test team recently for idiotic Tweets a decade ago, but I couldn't think of his name.
John Barrowman has had projects cancelled. For what? Being a bit stupid and taking his willy out among friends as his regular party piece. Should he lose out on jobs for that? If he did it on the London Underground in front of young schoolkids in 2021, fine, that's pervy ... but for silly exhibitionist stuff from years ago that everyone [mostly] knows about is a bit OTT.
"Consequence culture" would be kind of acceptable if it was a consequence of what you do or say today. As the world has changed and we are trying to be a more inclusive society and more aware of other people's sensibilities. Digging up social media posts from people's past, when they might have been young and stupid, is a load of nonsense though. We all said and did stupid things without thinking when we were younger, does that not mean we might have changed - and grown up - in ten years? Obviously there are some right nasty people out there who do deserve what they get but "consequence culture" to me just seems to be a term to make harassing and hounding people who have made silly mistakes a legitimate pastime, especially on social media.
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Post by muckypup on Jun 30, 2021 22:26:35 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here, No, we need to embrace these things and not pretend that if we ignore them they will go away. Cancel culture is real and it's happening everywhere. Good people are being destroyed on social media because of stupid things they once did or ignorant comments they might have made a long time ago. Are we all so perfect?
tell that to the uk government, there seems to be no accountability for all past, present and future real wrong doing while actors and media types get persecuted for having a different opinion the LGBTQ community (which i am part of) shout loudly that its ok to be different then when they are they moan even louder look at how big babies star wars fans are over the last jedi......yes its a crap film yes they dropped the ball but four years + on they still want a lynching and reset........its pathetic the hierocracy of it all depresses me more than a Leonard Cohen song we need to stop it, and stop giving air to it........cancel the cancel culture i say or many be they should just cancel me,
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 23:00:19 GMT
Mods delete this thread things like this are not heathy for the forum..... We need positivity here, No, we need to embrace these things and not pretend that if we ignore them they will go away. Cancel culture is real and it's happening everywhere. Good people are being destroyed on social media because of stupid things they once did or ignorant comments they might have made a long time ago. Are we all so perfect?
"Perfect" is the word. The cancel culture mentality has an uncomfortable edge of a hunt for purity about it. Pure backgrounds, pure ideologies, pure thought. Because, if it was exclusively about fairness, it wouldn't be brought up again and again and again once the issue was rectified. That speaks to something else. Something much darker. I mentioned about a page ago, a concept called parasocial relationships. To explain: a parasocial relationship is one you'll typically find quite commonly in media. It's the notion that an audience member attaches a certain familiarity to a public figure through repeat presentation. They become someone talked about as though they've met on a daily basis. It feels as though the audience knows every aspect of their lives and shares in it. They build a sense of trust and dependability on that image and, in some cases, forget that there is a person on the other side. In contrast, this public figure doesn't know the other person exists. How could they? They're one of potentially thousands, if not millions, across the world. When that image is shattered, there is a sense of accountability on the part of the audience member, but the figure doesn't know them. They can't respond to them. So, in extreme cases, the audience lashes out in a sense of betrayal. They pursue them to what feels like a natural conclusion -- condemnation and disregard. But then... Then, you get the people who continue. Who don't want justice, they want revenge. And revenge is so much harder to pick out against a public figure who doesn't know they exist. Their lashing out becomes, as I said before, a mania that becomes inflicted on everyone who doesn't measure up to those standards. That's where it gets messy. They can't hurt the one who actually hurt them in the same way, so they go after others instead. To try and fill that hole ripped open by the betrayal, but the reality is that nothing ever will. It's a black hole. Growing wider and wider, and taking everything in with it. A false perception of power taken from ripping open the wound again and again and again. The tragedy of it is that it's a form of self-harm, as much as a persecution of others. No different to looking for things to be angry or depressed about online. We call that "doomscrolling", these days. The only difference is other people have to suffer for it, too.
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Post by subconiandreamer on Jul 1, 2021 1:31:29 GMT
John Barrowman has had projects cancelled. For what? Being a bit stupid and taking his willy out among friends as his regular party piece. Should he lose out on jobs for that? If he did it on the London Underground in front of young schoolkids in 2021, fine, that's pervy ... but for silly exhibitionist stuff from years ago that everyone [mostly] knows about is a bit OTT. Try whipping your dick out at work and see how far you get
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 1, 2021 5:30:46 GMT
I would call it consequences culture, although i can't think of any specific examples of someone who has been cancelled in the context of the above. I was actually thinking of that young English cricketer that got dropped from the England test team recently for idiotic Tweets a decade ago, but I couldn't think of his name.
John Barrowman has had projects cancelled. For what? Being a bit stupid and taking his willy out among friends as his regular party piece. Should he lose out on jobs for that? If he did it on the London Underground in front of young schoolkids in 2021, fine, that's pervy ... but for silly exhibitionist stuff from years ago that everyone [mostly] knows about is a bit OTT.
"Consequence culture" would be kind of acceptable if it was a consequence of what you do or say today. As the world has changed and we are trying to be a more inclusive society and more aware of other people's sensibilities. Digging up social media posts from people's past, when they might have been young and stupid, is a load of nonsense though. We all said and did stupid things without thinking when we were younger, does that not mean we might have changed - and grown up - in ten years? Obviously there are some right nasty people out there who do deserve what they get but "consequence culture" to me just seems to be a term to make harassing and hounding people who have made silly mistakes a legitimate pastime, especially on social media.
The cricketer has been suspended from international cricket, he's not cancelled. John Barrowman has had some of his working opportunities removed, he's not cancelled. I assume cancel culture means someone will never work again in their chosen field, I haven't seen examples of this. Also as mentioned on the thread dedicated to Barrowman his behaviour isn't isolated to the past, it is repeated behaviour he has apologised for but then kept on doing. I don't know about where you work but if I was so weird I wanted to walk around my place of work with my penis out, rub it against female co-workers it would not be seen as "silly exhibitionist stuff", I would be quite rightly sacked.
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Post by pawntake on Jul 1, 2021 7:14:16 GMT
Just so we are clear what this thread is all about!
Words Related to controversies
clashes, run-ins, skirmishes, tangles, tussles logomachies feuds, vendettas attacks, contentions, dissensions (also dissentions) debates, differences, disputations fusses, objections, protestations, protests affrays [chiefly British], fisticuffs, fracases (or British fracas), frays, free-for-alls, melees (also mêlées) catfights Ding!Ding! Round 1.Lets have a good clean fight!
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Post by ljwilson on Jul 1, 2021 7:33:59 GMT
John Barrowman has had projects cancelled. For what? Being a bit stupid and taking his willy out among friends as his regular party piece. Should he lose out on jobs for that? If he did it on the London Underground in front of young schoolkids in 2021, fine, that's pervy ... but for silly exhibitionist stuff from years ago that everyone [mostly] knows about is a bit OTT. Try whipping your dick out at work and see how far you get With some of the women I work with in my weekend job, probably all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 8:51:27 GMT
The trouble with cancel culture is it all depends on who is cancelling who. Sometimes one thinks it is deserved, but then it may be someone you support and think it unwarranted, yet there is nothing you can do to stem the tide of the online tribunal.
I have a theory that as a modern cultural phenomenon, it has its roots in reality shows such as Big Brother and other 'vote em out' variants. People got quite worked up over 'Nasty Nick' in the UK Big Brother 20 odd years ago and it was the start of a tabloid news phenomenon on the backs of a few hysterical viewers/voters getting worked up online.
People have found satisfaction in the power to have removed those they disagree with or take a dislike to. As a consumer it is now their right and their business to have a say in the continuation of other peoples professional lives, should their actions or opinions become part of the public sphere.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 1, 2021 8:57:05 GMT
The trouble with cancel culture is it all depends on who is cancelling who. Sometimes one thinks it is deserved, but then it may be someone you support and think it unwarranted, yet there is nothing you can do to stem the tide of the online tribunal. I have a theory that as a modern cultural phenomenon, it has its roots in reality shows such as Big Brother and other 'vote em out' variants. People got quite worked up over 'Nasty Nick' in the UK Big Brother 20 odd years ago and it was the start of a tabloid news phenomenon on the backs of a few hysterical viewers/voters getting worked up online. People have found satisfaction in the power to have removed those they disagree with or take a dislike to. As a consumer it is now their right and their business to have a say in the continuation of other peoples professional lives, should their actions or opinions become part of the public sphere. I think it also depends on how we define cancel culture. I see it as someone not being allowed to continue in their chosen profession due to their actions. Those that I have seen protest most strongly about being cancelled don't appear to have been cancelled.
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