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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 9, 2021 6:49:41 GMT
I’ve been thinking since James Dreyfus was originally chosen by big finish to
Be a reoccurring Master for the doctor who ranges of course now that he isn’t doing anymore audios (bar the 4DA) what if in an alternative reality to ours
What if his master got his own spin off and what sort of character development would have occurred for his Master?
I know that after he left Gallifrey he encountered and learned tricks from Harry Houdini so perhaps there would have been an audio of them meeting and according to diary of river song vol 8 they would have had an off screen encounter
Anyway what stories do you think we would have seen?
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Post by grinch on Jul 9, 2021 8:12:51 GMT
Might have been interesting to have seen an story which implies that this is his first time out of Gallifrey. Encountering new alien life for the first time having spent most of his life surrounded by the hopelessly bureaucratic and oh so sanctimonious Time Lords.
Personally, I rather liked the idea that it seems they were implying that the Master was slowly developing into the ruthless villain he would later become a few incarnations down the line. Someone who is not so quick to kill or at least doesn’t really get any enjoyment from it etc.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 9, 2021 9:26:36 GMT
I would like to have an origin story, starting when he is a kid and is forced to endure the ceremony and has to look into the untempered schism.
That would be really cool.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 9, 2021 13:53:36 GMT
I would like to have an origin story, starting when he is a kid and is forced to endure the ceremony and has to look into the untempered schism. That would be really cool. That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? |
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 9, 2021 14:08:56 GMT
I would like to have an origin story, starting when he is a kid and is forced to endure the ceremony and has to look into the untempered schism. That would be really cool. That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? There could be a "Timelord Academy" spinoff.... |
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Post by grinch on Jul 9, 2021 14:14:00 GMT
I would like to have an origin story, starting when he is a kid and is forced to endure the ceremony and has to look into the untempered schism. That would be really cool. That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? I reckon that if we were to get a Young First Master story the Doctor would only get a brief mention at best. He’s such an egotist that any story told from his perspective would have to have him take centre stage. |
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 9, 2021 14:16:34 GMT
That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? There could be a "Timelord Academy" spinoff.... Funny you should say that The BBC pitched to RTD if he wanted to do a Young First Doctor Doctor Who show back in 2007 set years before he left Gallifrey RTD instead asked to make the Sarah Jane Adventures instead (smart choice)
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Post by xlozdob on Jul 9, 2021 15:06:09 GMT
That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? There could be a "Timelord Academy" spinoff.... Finally! A Deca range! |
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Post by Kestrel on Jul 12, 2021 6:52:18 GMT
Perhaps paradoxes are overdone, but I've always kinda liked the idea of the first incarnation of the Master (perhaps on his first trip off Gallifrey? Or perhaps even ON Gallifrey before he leaves) encountering a much later incarnation of the Doctor, who winds up being somehow responsible for the Master turning "evil" -- or at least moreso than he was innately (no decent person is ever gonna name themselves, "Master."
I dunno if the Milo Parker Master is meant to be the very first one (though it seems likely), but it's clear he's already a bad seed, so to speak, so that idea's probably a non-starter. I'd kinda love to see him wreaking havoc in a "Time Lord Academy" spin-off, so yeah, I'm gonna second (third?) that suggestion.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 12, 2021 12:54:08 GMT
Perhaps paradoxes are overdone, but I've always kinda liked the idea of the first incarnation of the Master (perhaps on his first trip off Gallifrey? Or perhaps even ON Gallifrey before he leaves) encountering a much later incarnation of the Doctor, who winds up being somehow responsible for the Master turning "evil" -- or at least moreso than he was innately (no decent person is ever gonna name themselves, "Master." I dunno if the Milo Parker Master is meant to be the very first one (though it seems likely), but it's clear he's already a bad seed, so to speak, so that idea's probably a non-starter. I'd kinda love to see him wreaking havoc in a "Time Lord Academy" spin-off, so yeah, I'm gonna second (third?) that suggestion. I Think they already did something like that with Masterful with The Reborn (or Lex Luthor) Master
I Think he is the teenage version of William Hughes and the younger version of The Drefyus Master. (Hughes-Parker-Drefyus)
It would be interesting in a Time Lord Academy Spin off with a Teenage/ Young First Doctor and a Younger Rani (if they ever sort out the rights with the Pip and Jane Estate) as i think the subtext with 6 and Rani was that they were Exes
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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 10, 2021 21:13:55 GMT
I'd say there's oodles of potential there for an early Master, but I wonder if it's enough to carry a whole range. How about a War Master boxset where he encounters and mentors the teenage Master, ensuring he embarks on a sufficiently dark path?
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Post by Kestrel on Aug 11, 2021 18:43:34 GMT
I'd say there's oodles of potential there for an early Master, but I wonder if it's enough to carry a whole range. How about a War Master boxset where he encounters and mentors the teenage Master, ensuring he embarks on a sufficiently dark path? I think the ideal route would just be a "Master" range, with unrelated boxsets each focusing on a different incarnation of the Master at different times in their life. EG make Master! The first set, and then do a second with Parker, a third with Beevers, a fourth with Macqueen, a fifth with Beevers again, and so on. |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 11, 2021 19:24:05 GMT
That would be interesting the thing is though with The Younger version of The First Master is that if its set during the Academy/untempered Schism is that would there be a younger teenage version of The First Doctor? There could be a "Timelord Academy" spinoff.... Sounds too much like the proposed young Doctor Who idea. |
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Post by Jeedai on Aug 12, 2021 0:43:31 GMT
Perhaps paradoxes are overdone, but I've always kinda liked the idea of the first incarnation of the Master (perhaps on his first trip off Gallifrey? Or perhaps even ON Gallifrey before he leaves) encountering a much later incarnation of the Doctor, who winds up being somehow responsible for the Master turning "evil" -- or at least moreso than he was innately (no decent person is ever gonna name themselves, "Master." I dunno if the Milo Parker Master is meant to be the very first one (though it seems likely), but it's clear he's already a bad seed, so to speak, so that idea's probably a non-starter. I'd kinda love to see him wreaking havoc in a "Time Lord Academy" spin-off, so yeah, I'm gonna second (third?) that suggestion. I'm of the notion that may not have been the Master who turned evil... it could have been the Doctor who turned good. Maybe it was some influence of K'anpo Rimpoche. Or Susan's grandmother (If Susan is their biological progeny). Maybe it was taking care of Susan on Earth. There was certainly some influence on Ian and Barbara's part, and definitly the Tardis as well. Maybe it was all of these things and more. All that's known for sure is the two use to be thick as thieves and then they parted ways in their philosophies on the universe. To me, it seems there are plenty of hints that it was the Doctor who became someone who was no longer compatible with the Master's points of view, rather than the other way around. |
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Post by Kestrel on Aug 12, 2021 2:53:25 GMT
My theory, which I'll one day fully articulate, is similar. Basically that the !aster's morals are a natural/inevitable result of frequent time travels and that the only reason the Doctor doesn't share them is because they are -literally- insane.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 12, 2021 4:59:44 GMT
I want them to be lovers - 50 Shades of Gallifrey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 8:30:24 GMT
I'd still love to know how according to Dorney (and he's no reason to be coy) the BF writers didn't intend for Dreyfus to be the first incarnation, , but the news article AND interview with Dreyfus both mention it, with him being asked how it felt to play the first incarnation of an iconic character? How do wires get crossed THAT much?
In the end I'm glad he's out as he was written and played like a rather nonplussed but generic Master, very forgettable.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 12, 2021 8:49:12 GMT
I'd still love to know how according to Dorney (and he's no reason to be coy) the BF writers didn't intend for Dreyfus to be the first incarnation, , but the news article AND interview with Dreyfus both mention it, with him being asked how it felt to play the first incarnation of an iconic character? How do wires get crossed THAT much? In the end I'm glad he's out as he was written and played like a rather nonplussed but generic Master, very forgettable. Wires probably didn't get crossed. BF backtracking after cutting ties with Dreyfus. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 12, 2021 8:56:40 GMT
We do have that young fella who was cast as the young Master from Masterful.
That said, isn’t it implied that the Master only left Gallifrey just before he turned up on Earth helping the Autons?
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 12, 2021 9:48:03 GMT
Big Finish have had more than enough opportunities to do something with a First Master, but haven’t really delivered on any of them.
There’s the bizarre confusion with the Dreyfus Master and what he was supposed to be. First incarnation or not, he amounted to nothing more than a generic rent-a-Master, despite there being scope for something unique. That has nothing to do with Dreyfus as an individual (except the generic performance perhaps), as everything was planned, written and recorded well before severing any ties.
Then there’s the Parker incarnation from Masterful, who does little more than ask some questions and again poses nothing unique, despite scope to do so.
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